How will a child get to school all the way across town. Are we also going to bring in buses?

Anonymous wrote:PP, let's be clear on something. JKLMM and Deal/Janney were not always awesome. In fact, not so long ago, they were failing. But then the parents zoned for those schools dug their heels in, got engaged, and turned things around. Now it's time for parents EofTP to do the same. That's the only fair solution.

This x 1 million! Parents will have to step it up EofP like families WofP did way back when. People move here knowing what they're getting into and then want to cry to their politicians to prevent them from doing what needs to be done. The system just can't support this bandaid gerrymandering approach any more. Obvious borderlines exist and people who live beyond those obvious borders will need to go EofP. This is a reality. It will be hard on many, but as numbers of high SES families continue to rise, the children will not be lone pioneers. In my own failing EofP IB school families banded together and sent their kids to Prek 3. Guess what, they love it! They themselves state how shocked they were that it was actually a really good thing. Powell, Shepherd, West are all great up and comers. CHEC and other middle and high school options have all of the ingredients to continue this desperately needed trend. We as parents should be focused on supporting them.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes 16:02, but unfortunately, this:

"Past valedictorians of low-performing District high schools say their own transitions to college were eye-opening and at times ego-shattering, filled with revelations that — despite taking their public schools’ most difficult classes and acing them — they were not equipped to excel at the nation’s top colleges."

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-06-16/local/40012919_1_professors-best-schools-d-c

Unfortunately, I can relate to the educational trauma that I had experienced in DCPS. The damage is real and severely disheartening. The low expectations, the disruptive students, the lack of rigor, the lack of support from teachers, the inadequate college counseling from counselors, and so many other horrible experiences. It's a shame that DCPS fails students who really want to learn. No one informs students from DCPS that once they get into top universities that they will struggle and suffer like Hell.

And what's your solution to fix the problem- keep things segregated as they've always been with the EofP / WofP divide. This divide is killing our system and is not sustainable. High SES kids in large numbers need to attend EofP schools to keep them viable and to relieve the massive overcrowding at WofP feeder recipient schools. This will understandably piss off a lot of people. Change always does. And people will adapt. Those that can't fathom the change will leave and be replaced. Those who choose to stay will go private. A lot of the hullabaloo here is smoke and mirrors and fear-mongering. The kids EofP aren't so bad you know- they're humans just like you, just as deserving as you of a rigorous education.

Says you. Just like in Detroit.

PP, let's be clear on something. JKLMM and Deal/Janney were not always awesome. In fact, not so long ago, they were failing. But then the parents zoned for those schools dug their heels in, got engaged, and turned things around. Now it's time for parents EofTP to do the same. That's the only fair solution.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes 16:02, but unfortunately, this:

"Past valedictorians of low-performing District high schools say their own transitions to college were eye-opening and at times ego-shattering, filled with revelations that — despite taking their public schools’ most difficult classes and acing them — they were not equipped to excel at the nation’s top colleges."

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-06-16/local/40012919_1_professors-best-schools-d-c

Unfortunately, I can relate to the educational trauma that I had experienced in DCPS. The damage is real and severely disheartening. The low expectations, the disruptive students, the lack of rigor, the lack of support from teachers, the inadequate college counseling from counselors, and so many other horrible experiences. It's a shame that DCPS fails students who really want to learn. No one informs students from DCPS that once they get into top universities that they will struggle and suffer like Hell.

And what's your solution to fix the problem- keep things segregated as they've always been with the EofP / WofP divide. This divide is killing our system and is not sustainable. High SES kids in large numbers need to attend EofP schools to keep them viable and to relieve the massive overcrowding at WofP feeder recipient schools. This will understandably piss off a lot of people. Change always does. And people will adapt. Those that can't fathom the change will leave and be replaced. Those who choose to stay will go private. A lot of the hullabaloo here is smoke and mirrors and fear-mongering. The kids EofP aren't so bad you know- they're humans just like you, just as deserving as you of a rigorous education.

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Anonymous wrote:The top two honor students out of a great percentage at a high-school on Capitol Hill are noted with one being an Asian and the other is an AA, both are from backgrounds that are totally different culturally, racially and financially but they are well-liked by the predominantly AA (farm) populated school. Both sets of parents took a chance with the high-school and their children are doing extremely well in all things that are academic and extra-curricular offered. Yet, to let others tell-it, this school can't survive or produce until whites attend the school in mass numbers. By the way the top honors went to the students who are in the International Baccalaureate program and the comprehensive side. You'll be surprisied at which child is in what program. The high-school on th Hill has begun to make great strides. The campus feels mighty prideful as they embark on their third year.

Eastern word salad lady!

Word salad stalker troll! You two need to get a room already! Or at least stroll off two your bridge together. Stop injecting you're useless comments into threads.

Anonymous wrote:Yes 16:02, but unfortunately, this:

"Past valedictorians of low-performing District high schools say their own transitions to college were eye-opening and at times ego-shattering, filled with revelations that — despite taking their public schools’ most difficult classes and acing them — they were not equipped to excel at the nation’s top colleges."

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-06-16/local/40012919_1_professors-best-schools-d-c

Unfortunately, I can relate to the educational trauma that I had experienced in DCPS. The damage is real and severely disheartening. The low expectations, the disruptive students, the lack of rigor, the lack of support from teachers, the inadequate college counseling from counselors, and so many other horrible experiences. It's a shame that DCPS fails students who really want to learn. No one informs students from DCPS that once they get into top universities that they will struggle and suffer like Hell.

Anonymous wrote:The top two honor students out of a great percentage at a high-school on Capitol Hill are noted with one being an Asian and the other is an AA, both are from backgrounds that are totally different culturally, racially and financially but they are well-liked by the predominantly AA (farm) populated school. Both sets of parents took a chance with the high-school and their children are doing extremely well in all things that are academic and extra-curricular offered. Yet, to let others tell-it, this school can't survive or produce until whites attend the school in mass numbers. By the way the top honors went to the students who are in the International Baccalaureate program and the comprehensive side. You'll be surprisied at which child is in what program. The high-school on th Hill has begun to make great strides. The campus feels mighty prideful as they embark on their third year.

Eastern word salad lady!

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Anonymous wrote:Lottery for all will only destroy what gains have been made in DC schools.

JKLM school, Brent and similar schools improve based on parent effort in the PTA and at home with their kids. Making every school in DC look like the average school in DC will drive people out. People invest in their neighborhood school in large part because they are vested in the neighborhood. Without a strong connection why bother.

I am OOB at a JKLM and I would not want to see IB preference eliminated. I would rather a few OOB slots held while the other schools in the city improve slowly as they are (i.e. Brent, Shepard Park etc etc.)

I suppose its silly to even respond to the idea since it is such a non starter.

In DC only the poor suffer with bad schools. The poor are also predominantly AA/black. Why should they get stuck with the craptastic aspects of DCPS? And by "they" I mean the kids who didn't have a say in who their parents are.

I think they should go for it. Force everyone into the same boat.

You mean the Montgomery County boat? The Arlington boat? The Fairfax boat? Because what will happen is that there will be a renewed push for entry into charters, and then a flood of moving vans departing DC. No, not everyone will be able to move (especially because property values in close-in suburbs will skyrocket) - but many of those who can, will. JKLM and other schools are not good because of magic DCPS fairy dust that they only hand out to WotP principals - they're good because there is a critical mass of highly educated, engaged parents. Remove that critical mass, and a lot of the magic disappears. And assuming that people who take their kids' educations seriously will not bat an eyelash when their kid is transferred to an underperforming school is beyond idiocy.

People who stay and aren't happy will go private like they've always done.

+1. And you won't be forced to pay $1M for a sh*tshack because it feeds to Janney. I will never understand the allure of Janney if it means living in a tiny crappy house.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lottery for all will only destroy what gains have been made in DC schools.

JKLM school, Brent and similar schools improve based on parent effort in the PTA and at home with their kids. Making every school in DC look like the average school in DC will drive people out. People invest in their neighborhood school in large part because they are vested in the neighborhood. Without a strong connection why bother.

I am OOB at a JKLM and I would not want to see IB preference eliminated. I would rather a few OOB slots held while the other schools in the city improve slowly as they are (i.e. Brent, Shepard Park etc etc.)

I suppose its silly to even respond to the idea since it is such a non starter.

In DC only the poor suffer with bad schools. The poor are also predominantly AA/black. Why should they get stuck with the craptastic aspects of DCPS? And by "they" I mean the kids who didn't have a say in who their parents are.
I think they should go for it. Force everyone into the same boat.

I would love to meet the kids who *did* have a say in who their parents are--I'm sure they are remarkable!

All those smart white trust fund babies, patiently waiting in a state of bodiless cognition until they find the right ovary and the right sperm. Time for the government to step up and regulate sex.

Ok! Basically, I wanted to specify that I wasn't talking about the adults living in poverty to avoid the typical GOP argument that "they chose to be poor"

I understand what you wanted to specify...and the basic argument makes no sense. Go to North Korea and see what happens when you really try to force people to be equal.

Tax payers are all equal. Why is your money better than someone in a Ward with bad schools? I am for school choice. I fully support a lottery for EVERY school in DC.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lottery for all will only destroy what gains have been made in DC schools.

JKLM school, Brent and similar schools improve based on parent effort in the PTA and at home with their kids. Making every school in DC look like the average school in DC will drive people out. People invest in their neighborhood school in large part because they are vested in the neighborhood. Without a strong connection why bother.

I am OOB at a JKLM and I would not want to see IB preference eliminated. I would rather a few OOB slots held while the other schools in the city improve slowly as they are (i.e. Brent, Shepard Park etc etc.)

I suppose its silly to even respond to the idea since it is such a non starter.

In DC only the poor suffer with bad schools. The poor are also predominantly AA/black. Why should they get stuck with the craptastic aspects of DCPS? And by "they" I mean the kids who didn't have a say in who their parents are.

I think they should go for it. Force everyone into the same boat.

You mean the Montgomery County boat? The Arlington boat? The Fairfax boat? Because what will happen is that there will be a renewed push for entry into charters, and then a flood of moving vans departing DC. No, not everyone will be able to move (especially because property values in close-in suburbs will skyrocket) - but many of those who can, will. JKLM and other schools are not good because of magic DCPS fairy dust that they only hand out to WotP principals - they're good because there is a critical mass of highly educated, engaged parents. Remove that critical mass, and a lot of the magic disappears. And assuming that people who take their kids' educations seriously will not bat an eyelash when their kid is transferred to an underperforming school is beyond idiocy.

People who stay and aren't happy will go private like they've always done.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lottery for all will only destroy what gains have been made in DC schools.

JKLM school, Brent and similar schools improve based on parent effort in the PTA and at home with their kids. Making every school in DC look like the average school in DC will drive people out. People invest in their neighborhood school in large part because they are vested in the neighborhood. Without a strong connection why bother.

I am OOB at a JKLM and I would not want to see IB preference eliminated. I would rather a few OOB slots held while the other schools in the city improve slowly as they are (i.e. Brent, Shepard Park etc etc.)

I suppose its silly to even respond to the idea since it is such a non starter.

In DC only the poor suffer with bad schools. The poor are also predominantly AA/black. Why should they get stuck with the craptastic aspects of DCPS? And by "they" I mean the kids who didn't have a say in who their parents are.
I think they should go for it. Force everyone into the same boat.

I would love to meet the kids who *did* have a say in who their parents are--I'm sure they are remarkable!

All those smart white trust fund babies, patiently waiting in a state of bodiless cognition until they find the right ovary and the right sperm. Time for the government to step up and regulate sex.

Ok! Basically, I wanted to specify that I wasn't talking about the adults living in poverty to avoid the typical GOP argument that "they chose to be poor"

I understand what you wanted to specify...and the basic argument makes no sense. Go to North Korea and see what happens when you really try to force people to be equal.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lottery for all will only destroy what gains have been made in DC schools.

JKLM school, Brent and similar schools improve based on parent effort in the PTA and at home with their kids. Making every school in DC look like the average school in DC will drive people out. People invest in their neighborhood school in large part because they are vested in the neighborhood. Without a strong connection why bother.

I am OOB at a JKLM and I would not want to see IB preference eliminated. I would rather a few OOB slots held while the other schools in the city improve slowly as they are (i.e. Brent, Shepard Park etc etc.)

I suppose its silly to even respond to the idea since it is such a non starter.

In DC only the poor suffer with bad schools. The poor are also predominantly AA/black. Why should they get stuck with the craptastic aspects of DCPS? And by "they" I mean the kids who didn't have a say in who their parents are.
I think they should go for it. Force everyone into the same boat.

I would love to meet the kids who *did* have a say in who their parents are--I'm sure they are remarkable!

All those smart white trust fund babies, patiently waiting in a state of bodiless cognition until they find the right ovary and the right sperm. Time for the government to step up and regulate sex.

Ok! Basically, I wanted to specify that I wasn't talking about the adults living in poverty to avoid the typical GOP argument that "they chose to be poor"

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lottery for all will only destroy what gains have been made in DC schools.

JKLM school, Brent and similar schools improve based on parent effort in the PTA and at home with their kids. Making every school in DC look like the average school in DC will drive people out. People invest in their neighborhood school in large part because they are vested in the neighborhood. Without a strong connection why bother.

I am OOB at a JKLM and I would not want to see IB preference eliminated. I would rather a few OOB slots held while the other schools in the city improve slowly as they are (i.e. Brent, Shepard Park etc etc.)

I suppose its silly to even respond to the idea since it is such a non starter.

In DC only the poor suffer with bad schools. The poor are also predominantly AA/black. Why should they get stuck with the craptastic aspects of DCPS? And by "they" I mean the kids who didn't have a say in who their parents are.

I think they should go for it. Force everyone into the same boat.

You mean the Montgomery County boat? The Arlington boat? The Fairfax boat? Because what will happen is that there will be a renewed push for entry into charters, and then a flood of moving vans departing DC. No, not everyone will be able to move (especially because property values in close-in suburbs will skyrocket) - but many of those who can, will. JKLM and other schools are not good because of magic DCPS fairy dust that they only hand out to WotP principals - they're good because there is a critical mass of highly educated, engaged parents. Remove that critical mass, and a lot of the magic disappears. And assuming that people who take their kids' educations seriously will not bat an eyelash when their kid is transferred to an underperforming school is beyond idiocy.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Lottery for all will only destroy what gains have been made in DC schools.

JKLM school, Brent and similar schools improve based on parent effort in the PTA and at home with their kids. Making every school in DC look like the average school in DC will drive people out. People invest in their neighborhood school in large part because they are vested in the neighborhood. Without a strong connection why bother.

I am OOB at a JKLM and I would not want to see IB preference eliminated. I would rather a few OOB slots held while the other schools in the city improve slowly as they are (i.e. Brent, Shepard Park etc etc.)

I suppose its silly to even respond to the idea since it is such a non starter.

In DC only the poor suffer with bad schools. The poor are also predominantly AA/black. Why should they get stuck with the craptastic aspects of DCPS? And by "they" I mean the kids who didn't have a say in who their parents are.
I think they should go for it. Force everyone into the same boat.

I would love to meet the kids who *did* have a say in who their parents are--I'm sure they are remarkable!

All those smart white trust fund babies, patiently waiting in a state of bodiless cognition until they find the right ovary and the right sperm. Time for the government to step up and regulate sex.