Anonymous
Post 08/02/2013 15:42     Subject: DC CAS popular schools summary
Looks like DCUM gained an Oyster booster. Welcome. Oyster is the bestest! Provides the greatest immersion education in DC using the least amount of money, their DC CAS is the highest of all the immersion schools in the area, feeds into Wilson (is this still a +?), Michelle Rhee sent her kids there (or this?), can give preferences to Spanish speakers, etc, etc.

Feel free to add more.

As someone who comes here mostly for entertainment value, this really boring.

Where's the YY troll or wordsalad?



Anonymous
Post 08/02/2013 15:09     Subject: Re:DC CAS popular schools summary
OK, I've been running the numbers as an impartial third party (my field of expertise is school finance -- no children in any language immersion school). It seems that Oyster Adams receives $11,391 per pupil in combined federal and district allocations. LAMB receives $20,391 per pupil in combined federal and district allocations. Using the DC PCSB budget data, it seems that LAMB spends $3,638 on rent, depreciation, interest, utilities etc). Accounting for these extra expenses that DCPS schools do not bear, LAMB still has a per pupil allocation of $16,753.


Keep subtracting, you still aren't at an apples to apples comparison. Go back and look at all of the other things missing from the Oyster budget sheet like school lunches and everything else. Plus, I really don't think "discretionary spending" on the Oyster sheet is what you think it is, since it's just 2.7% of the budget. For example, I seriously doubt it actually does cover textbooks as claimed - and I likewise remember reading that DCPS central office manages the textbooks and many other things that would not be included in the Oyster budget.


Yes, PLEASE keep subtracting until you reach a number that puts Oyster’s per pupil funding below the immersion charters’ funding. I will NOT be satisfied until I can show that Oyster’s higher tests scores are due entirely to student funding (or its location, or its admissions policy, or its age, or…). That can be the only explanation damn it! Lol!
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2013 14:34     Subject: Re:DC CAS popular schools summary
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If the link above was already addressed, why don’t you seem to comprehend it? It’s clear: Oyster spent $11,391 per pupil. The staffing figure includes custodial services/salaries which is a facilities expenditure. There is also $500,000 allocated for “Specialty Funds,” and $209,291 set aside for “Non Personnel Services.” How do you know that $709,291 isn’t used to pay for textbooks, facilities or “anything else”? Oh, that’s right, you don’t know. You’re just grasping at straws and trying to belittle Oyster’s success…a popular pastime on DCUM. You have no evidence to prove that DCPS is spending “almost twice as much per student” on Oyster as compared to other charters. I have facts and figures. All you have is your worthless opinion. As far as I’m concerned, Oyster spends less per pupil to educate its students than immersion charters (11K vs. 19k), and with better results. If you have links showing that more than $11,391 per pupil is spent at Oyster, then post them. Until then, please be quiet and have a seat.
Btw, there is no stability in DCPS funding either.


Charter schools have to pay rent &/or mortgages. Dumbass.


OK, I've been running the numbers as an impartial third party (my field of expertise is school finance -- no children in any language immersion school). It seems that Oyster Adams receives $11,391 per pupil in combined federal and district allocations. LAMB receives $20,391 per pupil in combined federal and district allocations. Using the DC PCSB budget data, it seems that LAMB spends $3,638 on rent, depreciation, interest, utilities etc). Accounting for these extra expenses that DCPS schools do not bear, LAMB still has a per pupil allocation of $16,753.


Keep subtracting, you still aren't at an apples to apples comparison. Go back and look at all of the other things missing from the Oyster budget sheet like school lunches and everything else. Plus, I really don't think "discretionary spending" on the Oyster sheet is what you think it is, since it's just 2.7% of the budget. For example, I seriously doubt it actually does cover textbooks as claimed - and I likewise remember reading that DCPS central office manages the textbooks and many other things that would not be included in the Oyster budget.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2013 14:17     Subject: Re:DC CAS popular schools summary
Anonymous wrote:It looks to me like they need a major shake up at Wilson HS--from the top down. How long has the principal been there? Why is this allowed to continue?


Agreed! Will they break down the Wilson scores by "academies"?
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2013 14:15     Subject: Re:DC CAS popular schools summary
Anonymous wrote:It looks to me like they need a major shake up at Wilson HS--from the top down. How long has the principal been there? Why is this allowed to continue?


These scores are really surprising to me also. I wonder how much of the 60% is academies.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2013 14:08     Subject: DC CAS popular schools summary
Anonymous wrote:And the point of this "who spends more (or less) per student is?

Oyster and LAMB both have respectable scores on the DC CAS not that if matters to me since we did not get into either.


The point was that charters and DCPS schools were being compared on their CAS results as though all else was equal, yet DCPS receives far more money to spend per student than any charter does.

The other bogus comparison was in looking at an established DCPS school that's been around for over 40 years as compared to charter that's just opened its doors.

OF COURSE Oyster should have respectable scores. But some perspective is needed when stacking schools up relative to each other. All other factors are not always equal.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2013 12:34     Subject: Re:DC CAS popular schools summary
It looks to me like they need a major shake up at Wilson HS--from the top down. How long has the principal been there? Why is this allowed to continue?
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2013 12:32     Subject: DC CAS popular schools summary
And the point of this "who spends more (or less) per student is?

Oyster and LAMB both have respectable scores on the DC CAS not that if matters to me since we did not get into either.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2013 12:26     Subject: Re:DC CAS popular schools summary
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If the link above was already addressed, why don’t you seem to comprehend it? It’s clear: Oyster spent $11,391 per pupil. The staffing figure includes custodial services/salaries which is a facilities expenditure. There is also $500,000 allocated for “Specialty Funds,” and $209,291 set aside for “Non Personnel Services.” How do you know that $709,291 isn’t used to pay for textbooks, facilities or “anything else”? Oh, that’s right, you don’t know. You’re just grasping at straws and trying to belittle Oyster’s success…a popular pastime on DCUM. You have no evidence to prove that DCPS is spending “almost twice as much per student” on Oyster as compared to other charters. I have facts and figures. All you have is your worthless opinion. As far as I’m concerned, Oyster spends less per pupil to educate its students than immersion charters (11K vs. 19k), and with better results. If you have links showing that more than $11,391 per pupil is spent at Oyster, then post them. Until then, please be quiet and have a seat.
Btw, there is no stability in DCPS funding either.


Charter schools have to pay rent &/or mortgages. Dumbass.


OK, I've been running the numbers as an impartial third party (my field of expertise is school finance -- no children in any language immersion school). It seems that Oyster Adams receives $11,391 per pupil in combined federal and district allocations. LAMB receives $20,391 per pupil in combined federal and district allocations. Using the DC PCSB budget data, it seems that LAMB spends $3,638 on rent, depreciation, interest, utilities etc). Accounting for these extra expenses that DCPS schools do not bear, LAMB still has a per pupil allocation of $16,753.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2013 12:22     Subject: DC CAS popular schools summary
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
No, those DCPS schools scoring 84% proficient reading/math on the DC-CAS has 84% of its students scoring in the 16th percentile in reading/math nationally according to your numbers. I agree not a high standard by any means. I hope you are not a math teacher...


Percentile doesn't mean what you think it means.


lol.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2013 12:16     Subject: Re:DC CAS popular schools summary
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If the link above was already addressed, why don’t you seem to comprehend it? It’s clear: Oyster spent $11,391 per pupil. The staffing figure includes custodial services/salaries which is a facilities expenditure. There is also $500,000 allocated for “Specialty Funds,” and $209,291 set aside for “Non Personnel Services.” How do you know that $709,291 isn’t used to pay for textbooks, facilities or “anything else”? Oh, that’s right, you don’t know. You’re just grasping at straws and trying to belittle Oyster’s success…a popular pastime on DCUM. You have no evidence to prove that DCPS is spending “almost twice as much per student” on Oyster as compared to other charters. I have facts and figures. All you have is your worthless opinion. As far as I’m concerned, Oyster spends less per pupil to educate its students than immersion charters (11K vs. 19k), and with better results. If you have links showing that more than $11,391 per pupil is spent at Oyster, then post them. Until then, please be quiet and have a seat.
Btw, there is no stability in DCPS funding either.


Charter schools have to pay rent &/or mortgages. Dumbass.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2013 12:12     Subject: Re:DC CAS popular schools summary
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:If the link above was already addressed, why don’t you seem to comprehend it? It’s clear: Oyster spent $11,391 per pupil. The staffing figure includes custodial services/salaries which is a facilities expenditure. There is also $500,000 allocated for “Specialty Funds,” and $209,291 set aside for “Non Personnel Services.” How do you know that $709,291 isn’t used to pay for textbooks, facilities or “anything else”? Oh, that’s right, you don’t know. You’re just grasping at straws and trying to belittle Oyster’s success…a popular pastime on DCUM. You have no evidence to prove that DCPS is spending “almost twice as much per student” on Oyster as compared to other charters. I have facts and figures. All you have is your worthless opinion. As far as I’m concerned, Oyster spends less per pupil to educate its students than immersion charters (11K vs. 19k), and with better results. If you have links showing that more than $11,391 per pupil is spent at Oyster, then post them. Until then, please be quiet and have a seat.
Btw, there is no stability in DCPS funding either.


Charter schools have to pay rent &/or mortgages. Dumbass.


Then it sounds as if the charter schools are the dumbasses. Dumbass.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2013 12:10     Subject: DC CAS popular schools summary
Anonymous wrote:Hm, as of just a couple years ago, textbooks were managed by DCPS Central Office. Has that changed?

If that has changed, and if textbooks, materials and equipment are supposed to come out of the school's discretionary budget then either Oyster is not planning for any or isn't getting any - or alternately, what's being shown is not their full budget because either way it doesn't show any discretionary budget figure for textbooks, materials and equipment.


This budget explains Oyster's discretionary budget:

http://www.dcps.dc.gov/DCPS/Files/downloads/ABOUT%20DCPS/Budget%20-%20Finance/FY13%20documents/School%20Allocations-FY13%20Final/DCPS-OYSTERADAMS-Submitted-Budget-FY13.pdf

Take a look under non-personnel spending
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2013 12:01     Subject: Re:DC CAS popular schools summary
Anonymous wrote:If the link above was already addressed, why don’t you seem to comprehend it? It’s clear: Oyster spent $11,391 per pupil. The staffing figure includes custodial services/salaries which is a facilities expenditure. There is also $500,000 allocated for “Specialty Funds,” and $209,291 set aside for “Non Personnel Services.” How do you know that $709,291 isn’t used to pay for textbooks, facilities or “anything else”? Oh, that’s right, you don’t know. You’re just grasping at straws and trying to belittle Oyster’s success…a popular pastime on DCUM. You have no evidence to prove that DCPS is spending “almost twice as much per student” on Oyster as compared to other charters. I have facts and figures. All you have is your worthless opinion. As far as I’m concerned, Oyster spends less per pupil to educate its students than immersion charters (11K vs. 19k), and with better results. If you have links showing that more than $11,391 per pupil is spent at Oyster, then post them. Until then, please be quiet and have a seat.
Btw, there is no stability in DCPS funding either.


Charter schools have to pay rent &/or mortgages. Dumbass.
Anonymous
Post 08/02/2013 11:59     Subject: DC CAS popular schools summary
Hm, as of just a couple years ago, textbooks were managed by DCPS Central Office. Has that changed?

If that has changed, and if textbooks, materials and equipment are supposed to come out of the school's discretionary budget then either Oyster is not planning for any or isn't getting any - or alternately, what's being shown is not their full budget because either way it doesn't show any discretionary budget figure for textbooks, materials and equipment.