Anonymous
Post 02/12/2013 19:51     Subject: Bilingual Kids in Language Immersion ES Programs, Which Programs Have Many & Strive to Attract Them?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:RE: LAMB, when we applied last year there was a place on the application to indicate whether Spanish was spoken at home (don't remember the exact wording).


I rest my case. LAMB has been told to stop asking that question for separate lotteries, but they have no fear of repercussions. I think I will tell my sister to use my DC address and apply for my niece who resides in Maryland. She's 18 months and live in downtown Silver Spring. If she gets a spot, my sister can drop her off on her way to work. Easy commute


Yeah, what's the chance they're still being sneaky about it? My native Spanish speaking caucasian DC and I were ignored at the charter expo while obvious Latinos were "courted" by LAMBS reps.


We were specifically asked (verbally) while filing out our application (my husband is Filipino, so they saw the surname, I guess). I had no idea that this was in violation of their charter. I am afraid to report them to the Charter Board, but I suppose I should.
Anonymous
Post 02/12/2013 19:48     Subject: Bilingual Kids in Language Immersion ES Programs, Which Programs Have Many & Strive to Attract Them?
I'm sure LAMB can get sneaky and look at a child's last name or in some cases their first name and can see who may be of Hispanic origin. In some mysterious way they may be able to weed out others. This is just a thought and this is why child child's name is hyphenated since her dad is of Hispanic decent.
Anonymous
Post 02/12/2013 19:32     Subject: Bilingual Kids in Language Immersion ES Programs, Which Programs Have Many & Strive to Attract Them?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:RE: LAMB, when we applied last year there was a place on the application to indicate whether Spanish was spoken at home (don't remember the exact wording).


I rest my case. LAMB has been told to stop asking that question for separate lotteries, but they have no fear of repercussions. I think I will tell my sister to use my DC address and apply for my niece who resides in Maryland. She's 18 months and live in downtown Silver Spring. If she gets a spot, my sister can drop her off on her way to work. Easy commute


Yeah, what's the chance they're still being sneaky about it? My native Spanish speaking caucasian DC and I were ignored at the charter expo while obvious Latinos were "courted" by LAMBS reps.
Anonymous
Post 02/12/2013 18:59     Subject: Bilingual Kids in Language Immersion ES Programs, Which Programs Have Many & Strive to Attract Them?
So all the Cantonese speakers will have the same complaint if they moved to MoCo b/c their chances in the lottery isn't very good in the entering grades either.

Of course, they can test-in in the higher grades, although they probably will choose G&T (AAP) if their kid gets in (what Asian parent wouldn't?) over immersion.

Good luck!
Anonymous
Post 02/12/2013 18:50     Subject: Bilingual Kids in Language Immersion ES Programs, Which Programs Have Many & Strive to Attract Them?
Here is a link to Montgomery county's Chinese immersion program:

http://www.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/curriculum/specialprograms/elementary/immersion-chinese.aspx

Note that they do NOT give preference in their lottery to native speakers of Mandarin, Cantonese, French, Spanish, Urdu, etc for entering K and 1st grade. They do test-in and lottery to replace student who leave immersion, of which there are many since MoCo has G&T starting in 3rd grade.

Anonymous
Post 02/12/2013 18:19     Subject: Bilingual Kids in Language Immersion ES Programs, Which Programs Have Many & Strive to Attract Them?
Anonymous wrote:RE: LAMB, when we applied last year there was a place on the application to indicate whether Spanish was spoken at home (don't remember the exact wording).


I rest my case. LAMB has been told to stop asking that question for separate lotteries, but they have no fear of repercussions. I think I will tell my sister to use my DC address and apply for my niece who resides in Maryland. She's 18 months and live in downtown Silver Spring. If she gets a spot, my sister can drop her off on her way to work. Easy commute
Anonymous
Post 02/12/2013 18:13     Subject: Re:Bilingual Kids in Language Immersion ES Programs, Which Programs Have Many & Strive to Attract Th
Anonymous wrote:I do not have firsthand knowledge, but piecing together from this thread and what I've read elsewhere on DCUM, it sounds like their charter was threatened recently when the many stories of this dual lottery were not going away, and they reluctantly now are clear that they only have one lottery and do not give language preference (which is the part that is against the charters). If they are still cheating, I'd guess they are risking their charter, but that is basically just a guess given what I've read here and heard elsewhere.


Lamb, like YY, is one of the charter boards darlings. Nothing will happen to them if they continue to circumvent the process and cheat. Are you kidding, the DCUM crowd may do something violent. And, I am a parent of one of these charters.
Anonymous
Post 02/12/2013 18:11     Subject: Bilingual Kids in Language Immersion ES Programs, Which Programs Have Many & Strive to Attract Them?
Anonymous wrote:Does someone have firsthand knowledge of Lamb's cheating w/ two lotteries? The school adamantly denies it.


At an open house in 2009, parents were allowed to complete applications on site. A woman collected the completed applications, reviewed and placed applications in different stacks. One of the questions on the application asked what the primary language was spoken in the home. I have been informed that LAMB has since been forced by the charter board to remove that question from its application.
Anonymous
Post 02/12/2013 17:16     Subject: Bilingual Kids in Language Immersion ES Programs, Which Programs Have Many & Strive to Attract Them?
RE: LAMB, when we applied last year there was a place on the application to indicate whether Spanish was spoken at home (don't remember the exact wording).
Anonymous
Post 02/12/2013 17:13     Subject: Re:Bilingual Kids in Language Immersion ES Programs, Which Programs Have Many & Strive to Attract Th
I do not have firsthand knowledge, but piecing together from this thread and what I've read elsewhere on DCUM, it sounds like their charter was threatened recently when the many stories of this dual lottery were not going away, and they reluctantly now are clear that they only have one lottery and do not give language preference (which is the part that is against the charters). If they are still cheating, I'd guess they are risking their charter, but that is basically just a guess given what I've read here and heard elsewhere.
Anonymous
Post 02/12/2013 17:01     Subject: Bilingual Kids in Language Immersion ES Programs, Which Programs Have Many & Strive to Attract Them?
Does someone have firsthand knowledge of Lamb's cheating w/ two lotteries? The school adamantly denies it.
Anonymous
Post 02/12/2013 16:50     Subject: Re:Bilingual Kids in Language Immersion ES Programs, Which Programs Have Many & Strive to Attract Th
Anonymous wrote:Disgusting and cheating are a narrow-minded YY take. Lamb administrators and parents have shown a willingness to buck a bad system to draw in the native speakers they need to serve their students and community well. The parents aren't complaining, so why are you? You're sure that few native speakers means the greater good is served?

More power to 'em for their cheatin' ways.









Tut tut. Cheaters never win, and winners never cheat.
Anonymous
Post 02/12/2013 16:45     Subject: Bilingual Kids in Language Immersion ES Programs, Which Programs Have Many & Strive to Attract Them?
Anonymous wrote:I'll clarify, sorry if it was confusing:
2011-2012- did not get in suspected (aware of) wait list fraud

2012-2013 school year applied and got in, excited (even though we knew of fraud last year) because we can not afford to go to private school, our IB school is not very good, and we can not afford to move. We were desperate to give our child the best education possible and a that point had not won a spot anywhere else.
And yes, we eventually got in Mundo Verde and decided to go there because the over feel was much warmer and inviting, which has proven to be a great fit for my child and my family.

I can not say if YY is a good school or not, it think that is subjective to your situation and expectations.

MV, in my opinion is a great place for my family. I am happy with my child's progress in reading, writing, math, awareness of the world around us, the importance on community, the "green" focus, the emotional support given to the children, the wonderful art and movement classes, the language aspect, I could go on and on



No wait list fraud. One family (Mandarin speaking) offered to pay several thousand dollars to move up the wait list. The school didn't take it. We're aware there's a lot of jealousy out there, and some people would love to see us fail. The school isn't going to cheat, and run the risk of any trouble.

It's called "tall poppy syndrome." When you set ambitious goals, something no-one else has tried, you set yourself up to be a target of envy. The school will continue to grow, thrive, and innovate. There are a lot of families invested, and many of these families left JKLMO neighborhoods or the possibility of private school to attend Yu Ying. Some stayed in DC instead of moving to Montgomery County. We know we're lucky to be there. I'm glad you like your school, you can thank Yu Ying when your child has the opportunity to attend the DCI. I love our school, I couldn't be this happy somewhere else.
Anonymous
Post 02/12/2013 15:44     Subject: Bilingual Kids in Language Immersion ES Programs, Which Programs Have Many & Strive to Attract Them?
Ok so YY is a terrible school because a) it makes no effort to attract Chinese speakers, b) it fraudulently gives preference to Chinese speakers or c) it refuses to fraudulently give preference to Chinese speakers. Can someone please clarify? Or maybe it's d) because 20 people on DCUM think it is.
Anonymous
Post 02/12/2013 15:13     Subject: Re:Bilingual Kids in Language Immersion ES Programs, Which Programs Have Many & Strive to Attract Th
Anonymous wrote:Disgusting and cheating are a narrow-minded YY take. Lamb administrators and parents have shown a willingness to buck a bad system to draw in the native speakers they need to serve their students and community well. The parents aren't complaining, so why are you? You're sure that few native speakers means the greater good is served?

More power to 'em for their cheatin' ways.





And, I really hope you are not one to complain about Marylanders enrolling their children into DC schools. You should have no complaints on that subject. What do you say, "more power to em for their cheating ways.