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Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry but the more I read about this the more I don't understand what on Earth this woman was thinking. You have a weird kid with developmental disorders who is known for being antisocial and couldn't make it in the regular school system, and let you teach him how to shoot guns and apparently leave him with access to them.

GUN CONTROL NOW. Lunatic. I want our sanctioned militia (i.e. police, military) to go door to door through every community to search for an collect all guns that fire multiple rounds with one shot. I don't give a damn if it's PC to say that, that's how I feel. I am sick to death of worrying if my kid's school, or my office, or the restaurant we randomly choose to eat in one night, will be the scene of the next massacre.

Fuck every single one of you gun owning assholes. I hate you. I really do.

+ 1 million

Make that 1 million and 1

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Anonymous wrote:This mother made many mistakes...she pulled a troubled, anti-social, kid out of school to homeschool him (thereby further isolating him), she collected tons of guns and took this unstable kid to shooting ranges (thereby sending the message that using weaspons was ok and facillitating him being "armed and dangerous"), She does not appear to have reached out for help for her son and kept the problems she was having with him "secret", yet she often went out drinking to talk about BS with acquaintances. She may have had her own mental health issues that went unchecked/unaddressed. She should have seen how sick her son was and done everything to help him, living in denial and isolating him, while giving him access to weapons and instruction on how to use them....YES...this mother is most definitely responsible!

Wow. May you never walk a mile in her shoes.

New PP, but I feel OK to judge her even in her death, maybe it's venting. But the PP pretty much surmises many of her numerous failures, for which, if she were alive, she would have been legally culpable, I am sure, but I will let lawyers opine on that if they wish.

Fine. Maybe I should have said "may you walk a mile in her shoes."

NP. I won't "walk a mile in her shoes" b/c I don't own an assault rifle and therefore won't be the gun owner who supplied a weapon to a murderer.

A- FREAKING- MEN to that!

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This mother made many mistakes...she pulled a troubled, anti-social, kid out of school to homeschool him (thereby further isolating him), she collected tons of guns and took this unstable kid to shooting ranges (thereby sending the message that using weaspons was ok and facillitating him being "armed and dangerous"), She does not appear to have reached out for help for her son and kept the problems she was having with him "secret", yet she often went out drinking to talk about BS with acquaintances. She may have had her own mental health issues that went unchecked/unaddressed. She should have seen how sick her son was and done everything to help him, living in denial and isolating him, while giving him access to weapons and instruction on how to use them....YES...this mother is most definitely responsible!

Wow. May you never walk a mile in her shoes.

New PP, but I feel OK to judge her even in her death, maybe it's venting. But the PP pretty much surmises many of her numerous failures, for which, if she were alive, she would have been legally culpable, I am sure, but I will let lawyers opine on that if they wish.

Fine. Maybe I should have said "may you walk a mile in her shoes."

As someone with a mentally ill family member, I don't feel that it's that unusual to be in complete and total denial of someone's mental health problems, even though the person is so clearly off the rails. I have seen family members who are physicians themselves go through this rationalization, saying "oh, it's fine, we're dealing with it, he/she is functioning, we're ok for now," when dealing with someone who is saying and doing totally batshit crazy things and refusing any sort of treatment or counseling. If this is coming from someone with medical training, a doctor, who should know better, what do we expect from Nancy Lanza? She was trying to "handle" her son pretty much on her own. There is such a stigma against mental illness and it is so powerful it is unbelievable. No one wants to admit to themselves that the precious baby they held in their arms is capable of hurting them, or is "crazy." Some people do, but it is because they have good insight and a strong sense of self, not because our culture or community supports people with mental illness.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This mother made many mistakes...she pulled a troubled, anti-social, kid out of school to homeschool him (thereby further isolating him), she collected tons of guns and took this unstable kid to shooting ranges (thereby sending the message that using weaspons was ok and facillitating him being "armed and dangerous"), She does not appear to have reached out for help for her son and kept the problems she was having with him "secret", yet she often went out drinking to talk about BS with acquaintances. She may have had her own mental health issues that went unchecked/unaddressed. She should have seen how sick her son was and done everything to help him, living in denial and isolating him, while giving him access to weapons and instruction on how to use them....YES...this mother is most definitely responsible!

Wow. May you never walk a mile in her shoes.

New PP, but I feel OK to judge her even in her death, maybe it's venting. But the PP pretty much surmises many of her numerous failures, for which, if she were alive, she would have been legally culpable, I am sure, but I will let lawyers opine on that if they wish.

Fine. Maybe I should have said "may you walk a mile in her shoes."

NP. I won't "walk a mile in her shoes" b/c I don't own an assault rifle and therefore won't be the gun owner who supplied a weapon to a murderer.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This mother made many mistakes...she pulled a troubled, anti-social, kid out of school to homeschool him (thereby further isolating him), she collected tons of guns and took this unstable kid to shooting ranges (thereby sending the message that using weaspons was ok and facillitating him being "armed and dangerous"), She does not appear to have reached out for help for her son and kept the problems she was having with him "secret", yet she often went out drinking to talk about BS with acquaintances. She may have had her own mental health issues that went unchecked/unaddressed. She should have seen how sick her son was and done everything to help him, living in denial and isolating him, while giving him access to weapons and instruction on how to use them....YES...this mother is most definitely responsible!

Wow. May you never walk a mile in her shoes.

New PP, but I feel OK to judge her even in her death, maybe it's venting. But the PP pretty much surmises many of her numerous failures, for which, if she were alive, she would have been legally culpable, I am sure, but I will let lawyers opine on that if they wish.

Fine. Maybe I should have said "may you walk a mile in her shoes."

Anonymous wrote:I'm sorry but the more I read about this the more I don't understand what on Earth this woman was thinking. You have a weird kid with developmental disorders who is known for being antisocial and couldn't make it in the regular school system, and let you teach him how to shoot guns and apparently leave him with access to them.

GUN CONTROL NOW. Lunatic. I want our sanctioned militia (i.e. police, military) to go door to door through every community to search for an collect all guns that fire multiple rounds with one shot. I don't give a damn if it's PC to say that, that's how I feel. I am sick to death of worrying if my kid's school, or my office, or the restaurant we randomly choose to eat in one night, will be the scene of the next massacre.

Fuck every single one of you gun owning assholes. I hate you. I really do.

+ 1 million

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Anonymous wrote:This mother made many mistakes...she pulled a troubled, anti-social, kid out of school to homeschool him (thereby further isolating him), she collected tons of guns and took this unstable kid to shooting ranges (thereby sending the message that using weaspons was ok and facillitating him being "armed and dangerous"), She does not appear to have reached out for help for her son and kept the problems she was having with him "secret", yet she often went out drinking to talk about BS with acquaintances. She may have had her own mental health issues that went unchecked/unaddressed. She should have seen how sick her son was and done everything to help him, living in denial and isolating him, while giving him access to weapons and instruction on how to use them....YES...this mother is most definitely responsible!

Wow. May you never walk a mile in her shoes.

NP here. I'm sorry but I don't care whose shoes they are. She had a child with emotional issues. Yet she taught him how to shoot and she did not secure the guns from him.

Unless she is being attacked by zombies daily, those are two compromises she never had to make for the sake of getting through life's difficulties.

PP, what sticks with me from that movie is when the person on the street slapped her face for looking happy. When the coworker made a pass at her and then cruely derided her. When she ate the omlet full of the broken egg shells.

It was a chilling, memorable film.

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Anonymous wrote:Shut the fuck up. If your son or daughter committed a crime should we blame you? Tragedy can strike anyone. No one is above it including you. And assigning blame before knowing all the facts reflects poorly on you.

Will you say the same if your own child is one of the 20 kids?

Has anyone seen "We need to talk about Kevin"?

The main character is the mother of a teenaged serial killer, who kills his own father and sister and then goes on to kill a bunch of classmates. However, in the movie, he did not use guns, he used a bow with arrows, and he commited his murders shortly before his birthday so that he would be tried as a minor.

I remember watching that movie in horror, it looked like the mother just couldn't get through to the kid, who he was filled with hatred toward everything and everyone around him from day one. And now that the damage has been done the woman is reflecting back on her life, starting from her indifference to her pregnancy, then her traveling when the kid was little, and so on and so forth, trying to find answers that she just can't find.

One of the worst scenes was when she goes grocery shopping and bumps into the mother of one of the kids her son killed. That scene sent shivers down my spine.

But, then again, she did not have a bunch of semi-automatics lying around.

You know damn well this has little to do with mental anything and most to do with responsible gun ownership.

There were lines outside gun stores after this story. The blood is on irresponsible gun owners hands and they know it. They should feel guilty. Instead, they are stocking up on automatic rifles should the Mayan Apocolypse happen. Yes, THOSE are the crazy people. No, they should not have guns. I have people like that in my neighborhood. They have bully behaviors and are often over the edge and backed up by those who are that much more over the edge. HOW is this a good thing?! Look around. How many overwhelmed, helpless homemakers do you know? Flame away.

More on point, it is simply that we need to keep guns out irresponsible gun owners hands first and foremost. Not every crazy person is going to shoot up a school. But I worry about those people who already have access to guns, such as certain neighbors that are only too proud to hang their guns on the wall, literally. They also happen to be crazy, and spend most of their time trying to deflect their problems onto others. Much like the gun people we are reading about this week. Why is this okay with people? Why is the gun issue not first and foremost?

Having worked with the mentally ill, I know of zero who are capable of this AND happen to have access to guns, thankfully. That is not always the case because of irresponsible gun owners. That is exactly what happened. Everyone knows it. There is no deflecting. No matter who you are or (in your delusions) think you are.

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1/4 of women are mentally ill, we the public and the police need to be able to id them more easily .

Maybe we should tattoo a scarlet "M" on their forheads.

maybe have a public registry like the sex offenders registry, like nature of craziness, crimes etc... Think of how much time and money it would save when hiring or renting to these people.

Anonymous wrote:Shut the fuck up. If your son or daughter committed a crime should we blame you? Tragedy can strike anyone. No one is above it including you. And assigning blame before knowing all the facts reflects poorly on you.

Will you say the same if your own child is one of the 20 kids?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This mother made many mistakes...she pulled a troubled, anti-social, kid out of school to homeschool him (thereby further isolating him), she collected tons of guns and took this unstable kid to shooting ranges (thereby sending the message that using weaspons was ok and facillitating him being "armed and dangerous"), She does not appear to have reached out for help for her son and kept the problems she was having with him "secret", yet she often went out drinking to talk about BS with acquaintances. She may have had her own mental health issues that went unchecked/unaddressed. She should have seen how sick her son was and done everything to help him, living in denial and isolating him, while giving him access to weapons and instruction on how to use them....YES...this mother is most definitely responsible!

Wow. May you never walk a mile in her shoes.

New PP, but I feel OK to judge her even in her death, maybe it's venting. But the PP pretty much surmises many of her numerous failures, for which, if she were alive, she would have been legally culpable, I am sure, but I will let lawyers opine on that if they wish.

Anonymous wrote:Bottom line is if you are the parent of a crazy/SN kid you should not own guns!

Amen. Even if I thought guns were fine to own, if my kid were this troubled, and I had them, I would just get rid of them, or have that sister of hers keep them in New Hampshire or whatever until it was safe.

Bottom line is if you are the parent of a crazy/SN kid you should not own guns!