Anonymous
05/16/2026 22:12
Subject: Top 10 public "ranking"?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ranked based on quality of the peer groups
UCB
UCLA
UMich
UVA
GT
UNC
W&M
UT
UIUC
The academic peer group at the UCs is pretty bad right now. The kids might be interesting but they are not really that smart.
Source?
Her “How to cope with a Berkekey rejection in your portal” handbook.
How to cope at Berkely knowing many of your classmates have low standardized test scores yet these are your peers at your school.
If you are at one of the top schools in the country and you still genuinely care about your peer's SAT scores you peaked in high school.
Our kids shouldn’t have to slum it with the sub-1400 goofballs. This isn’t clown college after all.
The test optional nonsense is making the UC Berkeley student body look like that of ASU.
Don’t insult ASU by comparing it to the UC colleges.
ASU is basically UCLA without access to a beach.
On the East Coast, the corresponding comparison is UConn being basically Cornell without the suicide bridge, and Penn State - Abington campus being basically UVA without the Rotunda.
Checks out.
Not at all. We are discussing the test blind admission practices at UCLA and the other UC schools. The test scores are on par with those at ASU.
Yeah, gonna need to see links.
I’ll look forward to seeing how actual ASU test scores are comparable to actual UCLA test scores, at any point in history.
That is the whole point of being test blind. Your test scores can be terrible and exclude you from getting into reputable schools like ASU.
You understand that test blind and test optional are the same environment for anyone with terrible test scores, right?
Anyway, you’re a clown, but here are relevant facts to consider:
SAT 25th -75th in 2020/2021 (last year before test blind format at UCLA)
UC Berkeley 1300 - 1530
Michigan 1340 - 1520
UCLA 1290 - 1510
UVA 1330 - 1490
ASU 1130 - 1330
Hmm, just the beach …
That is historical. UCLA scores are so bad now they don’t report.
What’s the source? You’re asserting that they are “so bad now”. What is the source underlying that assertion?
I mean, I know the source is one of the disembodied voices you “hear” in your head, but what were you planning to respond with when anyone with a pulse called you on your bullshit?
They are unreportable because they are so low. Why else wouldn’t UCLA report them? They are awful.
The basis for your ranting and raving about UCLA is pure conjecture?
You know this because … your feelings?
You understand that they don’t release the data in their CDS in compliance with the Trustee decision to remove standardized testing from the evaluation process, right?
If not, wake up. If so, why are you desperately grasping for this new red herring that requires others to accept your feelings? Nobody cares that UCLA fired you as a TA because of mental health issues. That’s between you and your caregivers at this point.
Anonymous
05/16/2026 22:08
Subject: Top 10 public "ranking"?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ranked based on quality of the peer groups
UCB
UCLA
UMich
UVA
GT
UNC
W&M
UT
UIUC
The academic peer group at the UCs is pretty bad right now. The kids might be interesting but they are not really that smart.
Source?
Her “How to cope with a Berkekey rejection in your portal” handbook.
How to cope at Berkely knowing many of your classmates have low standardized test scores yet these are your peers at your school.
If you are at one of the top schools in the country and you still genuinely care about your peer's SAT scores you peaked in high school.
Our kids shouldn’t have to slum it with the sub-1400 goofballs. This isn’t clown college after all.
The test optional nonsense is making the UC Berkeley student body look like that of ASU.
Don’t insult ASU by comparing it to the UC colleges.
ASU is basically UCLA without access to a beach.
Uh,no. ASU’s average SAT is only a 1245 and average gpa is 3.43.
So UCLA is below this now? Interesting.
2025 CDS (unweighted)
UCLA 3.94
UVA 3.91
Michigan 3.90
UC Berkeley 3.89
ASU 3.54
Anonymous
05/16/2026 22:05
Subject: Top 10 public "ranking"?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ranked based on quality of the peer groups
UCB
UCLA
UMich
UVA
GT
UNC
W&M
UT
UIUC
The academic peer group at the UCs is pretty bad right now. The kids might be interesting but they are not really that smart.
Source?
Her “How to cope with a Berkekey rejection in your portal” handbook.
How to cope at Berkely knowing many of your classmates have low standardized test scores yet these are your peers at your school.
If you are at one of the top schools in the country and you still genuinely care about your peer's SAT scores you peaked in high school.
Our kids shouldn’t have to slum it with the sub-1400 goofballs. This isn’t clown college after all.
The test optional nonsense is making the UC Berkeley student body look like that of ASU.
Don’t insult ASU by comparing it to the UC colleges.
ASU is basically UCLA without access to a beach.
Uh,no. ASU’s average SAT is only a 1245 and average gpa is 3.43.
So UCLA is below this now? Interesting.
Not just UCLA but UC Berkeley and all the UC schools. Huge failure on their university system.
Anonymous
05/16/2026 22:04
Subject: Top 10 public "ranking"?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ranked based on quality of the peer groups
UCB
UCLA
UMich
UVA
GT
UNC
W&M
UT
UIUC
The academic peer group at the UCs is pretty bad right now. The kids might be interesting but they are not really that smart.
Source?
Her “How to cope with a Berkekey rejection in your portal” handbook.
How to cope at Berkely knowing many of your classmates have low standardized test scores yet these are your peers at your school.
If you are at one of the top schools in the country and you still genuinely care about your peer's SAT scores you peaked in high school.
Our kids shouldn’t have to slum it with the sub-1400 goofballs. This isn’t clown college after all.
The test optional nonsense is making the UC Berkeley student body look like that of ASU.
Don’t insult ASU by comparing it to the UC colleges.
ASU is basically UCLA without access to a beach.
On the East Coast, the corresponding comparison is UConn being basically Cornell without the suicide bridge, and Penn State - Abington campus being basically UVA without the Rotunda.
Checks out.
Not at all. We are discussing the test blind admission practices at UCLA and the other UC schools. The test scores are on par with those at ASU.
Yeah, gonna need to see links.
I’ll look forward to seeing how actual ASU test scores are comparable to actual UCLA test scores, at any point in history.
That is the whole point of being test blind. Your test scores can be terrible and exclude you from getting into reputable schools like ASU.
You understand that test blind and test optional are the same environment for anyone with terrible test scores, right?
Anyway, you’re a clown, but here are relevant facts to consider:
SAT 25th -75th in 2020/2021 (last year before test blind format at UCLA)
UC Berkeley 1300 - 1530
Michigan 1340 - 1520
UCLA 1290 - 1510
UVA 1330 - 1490
ASU 1130 - 1330
Hmm, just the beach …
That is historical. UCLA scores are so bad now they don’t report.
What’s the source? You’re asserting that they are “so bad now”. What is the source underlying that assertion?
I mean, I know the source is one of the disembodied voices you “hear” in your head, but what were you planning to respond with when anyone with a pulse called you on your bullshit?
They are unreportable because they are so low. Why else wouldn’t UCLA report them? They are awful.
Anonymous
05/16/2026 22:02
Subject: Top 10 public "ranking"?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ranked based on quality of the peer groups
UCB
UCLA
UMich
UVA
GT
UNC
W&M
UT
UIUC
The academic peer group at the UCs is pretty bad right now. The kids might be interesting but they are not really that smart.
Source?
Her “How to cope with a Berkekey rejection in your portal” handbook.
How to cope at Berkely knowing many of your classmates have low standardized test scores yet these are your peers at your school.
If you are at one of the top schools in the country and you still genuinely care about your peer's SAT scores you peaked in high school.
Our kids shouldn’t have to slum it with the sub-1400 goofballs. This isn’t clown college after all.
The test optional nonsense is making the UC Berkeley student body look like that of ASU.
Don’t insult ASU by comparing it to the UC colleges.
ASU is basically UCLA without access to a beach.
On the East Coast, the corresponding comparison is UConn being basically Cornell without the suicide bridge, and Penn State - Abington campus being basically UVA without the Rotunda.
Checks out.
Not at all. We are discussing the test blind admission practices at UCLA and the other UC schools. The test scores are on par with those at ASU.
Yeah, gonna need to see links.
I’ll look forward to seeing how actual ASU test scores are comparable to actual UCLA test scores, at any point in history.
That is the whole point of being test blind. Your test scores can be terrible and exclude you from getting into reputable schools like ASU.
You understand that test blind and test optional are the same environment for anyone with terrible test scores, right?
Anyway, you’re a clown, but here are relevant facts to consider:
SAT 25th -75th in 2020/2021 (last year before test blind format at UCLA)
UC Berkeley 1300 - 1530
Michigan 1340 - 1520
UCLA 1290 - 1510
UVA 1330 - 1490
ASU 1130 - 1330
Hmm, just the beach …
That is historical. UCLA scores are so bad now they don’t report.
What’s the source? You’re asserting that they are “so bad now”. What is the source underlying that assertion?
I mean, I know the source is one of the disembodied voices you “hear” in your head, but what were you planning to respond with when anyone with a pulse called you on your bullshit?
Anonymous
05/16/2026 22:01
Subject: Top 10 public "ranking"?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ranked based on quality of the peer groups
UCB
UCLA
UMich
UVA
GT
UNC
W&M
UT
UIUC
The academic peer group at the UCs is pretty bad right now. The kids might be interesting but they are not really that smart.
Source?
Her “How to cope with a Berkekey rejection in your portal” handbook.
How to cope at Berkely knowing many of your classmates have low standardized test scores yet these are your peers at your school.
If you are at one of the top schools in the country and you still genuinely care about your peer's SAT scores you peaked in high school.
Our kids shouldn’t have to slum it with the sub-1400 goofballs. This isn’t clown college after all.
The test optional nonsense is making the UC Berkeley student body look like that of ASU.
Don’t insult ASU by comparing it to the UC colleges.
ASU is basically UCLA without access to a beach.
Uh,no. ASU’s average SAT is only a 1245 and average gpa is 3.43.
So UCLA is below this now? Interesting.
Anonymous
05/16/2026 21:54
Subject: Top 10 public "ranking"?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ranked based on quality of the peer groups
UCB
UCLA
UMich
UVA
GT
UNC
W&M
UT
UIUC
The academic peer group at the UCs is pretty bad right now. The kids might be interesting but they are not really that smart.
Source?
Her “How to cope with a Berkekey rejection in your portal” handbook.
How to cope at Berkely knowing many of your classmates have low standardized test scores yet these are your peers at your school.
If you are at one of the top schools in the country and you still genuinely care about your peer's SAT scores you peaked in high school.
Our kids shouldn’t have to slum it with the sub-1400 goofballs. This isn’t clown college after all.
The test optional nonsense is making the UC Berkeley student body look like that of ASU.
Don’t insult ASU by comparing it to the UC colleges.
ASU is basically UCLA without access to a beach.
Uh,no. ASU’s average SAT is only a 1245 and average gpa is 3.43.
Still better than a school that is test blind and won’t report their numbers because they are so abysmal.
Anonymous
05/16/2026 21:53
Subject: Top 10 public "ranking"?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ranked based on quality of the peer groups
UCB
UCLA
UMich
UVA
GT
UNC
W&M
UT
UIUC
The academic peer group at the UCs is pretty bad right now. The kids might be interesting but they are not really that smart.
Source?
Her “How to cope with a Berkekey rejection in your portal” handbook.
How to cope at Berkely knowing many of your classmates have low standardized test scores yet these are your peers at your school.
If you are at one of the top schools in the country and you still genuinely care about your peer's SAT scores you peaked in high school.
Our kids shouldn’t have to slum it with the sub-1400 goofballs. This isn’t clown college after all.
The test optional nonsense is making the UC Berkeley student body look like that of ASU.
Don’t insult ASU by comparing it to the UC colleges.
ASU is basically UCLA without access to a beach.
On the East Coast, the corresponding comparison is UConn being basically Cornell without the suicide bridge, and Penn State - Abington campus being basically UVA without the Rotunda.
Checks out.
Not at all. We are discussing the test blind admission practices at UCLA and the other UC schools. The test scores are on par with those at ASU.
Yeah, gonna need to see links.
I’ll look forward to seeing how actual ASU test scores are comparable to actual UCLA test scores, at any point in history.
That is the whole point of being test blind. Your test scores can be terrible and exclude you from getting into reputable schools like ASU.
You understand that test blind and test optional are the same environment for anyone with terrible test scores, right?
Anyway, you’re a clown, but here are relevant facts to consider:
SAT 25th -75th in 2020/2021 (last year before test blind format at UCLA)
UC Berkeley 1300 - 1530
Michigan 1340 - 1520
UCLA 1290 - 1510
UVA 1330 - 1490
ASU 1130 - 1330
Hmm, just the beach …
That is historical. UCLA scores are so bad now they don’t report.
Anonymous
05/16/2026 21:42
Subject: Top 10 public "ranking"?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ranked based on quality of the peer groups
UCB
UCLA
UMich
UVA
GT
UNC
W&M
UT
UIUC
The academic peer group at the UCs is pretty bad right now. The kids might be interesting but they are not really that smart.
Source?
Her “How to cope with a Berkekey rejection in your portal” handbook.
How to cope at Berkely knowing many of your classmates have low standardized test scores yet these are your peers at your school.
If you are at one of the top schools in the country and you still genuinely care about your peer's SAT scores you peaked in high school.
Our kids shouldn’t have to slum it with the sub-1400 goofballs. This isn’t clown college after all.
The test optional nonsense is making the UC Berkeley student body look like that of ASU.
Don’t insult ASU by comparing it to the UC colleges.
ASU is basically UCLA without access to a beach.
Uh,no. ASU’s average SAT is only a 1245 and average gpa is 3.43.
Anonymous
05/16/2026 21:40
Subject: Top 10 public "ranking"?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ranked based on quality of the peer groups
UCB
UCLA
UMich
UVA
GT
UNC
W&M
UT
UIUC
The academic peer group at the UCs is pretty bad right now. The kids might be interesting but they are not really that smart.
Source?
Her “How to cope with a Berkekey rejection in your portal” handbook.
How to cope at Berkely knowing many of your classmates have low standardized test scores yet these are your peers at your school.
If you are at one of the top schools in the country and you still genuinely care about your peer's SAT scores you peaked in high school.
Our kids shouldn’t have to slum it with the sub-1400 goofballs. This isn’t clown college after all.
The test optional nonsense is making the UC Berkeley student body look like that of ASU.
Don’t insult ASU by comparing it to the UC colleges.
ASU is basically UCLA without access to a beach.
On the East Coast, the corresponding comparison is UConn being basically Cornell without the suicide bridge, and Penn State - Abington campus being basically UVA without the Rotunda.
Checks out.
Not at all. We are discussing the test blind admission practices at UCLA and the other UC schools. The test scores are on par with those at ASU.
Yeah, gonna need to see links.
I’ll look forward to seeing how actual ASU test scores are comparable to actual UCLA test scores, at any point in history.
That is the whole point of being test blind. Your test scores can be terrible and exclude you from getting into reputable schools like ASU.
You understand that test blind and test optional are the same environment for anyone with terrible test scores, right?
Anyway, you’re a clown, but here are relevant facts to consider:
SAT 25th -75th in 2020/2021 (last year before test blind format at UCLA)
UC Berkeley 1300 - 1530
Michigan 1340 - 1520
UCLA 1290 - 1510
UVA 1330 - 1490
ASU 1130 - 1330
Hmm, just the beach …
Anonymous
05/16/2026 21:26
Subject: Top 10 public "ranking"?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ranked based on quality of the peer groups
UCB
UCLA
UMich
UVA
GT
UNC
W&M
UT
UIUC
The academic peer group at the UCs is pretty bad right now. The kids might be interesting but they are not really that smart.
Source?
Her “How to cope with a Berkekey rejection in your portal” handbook.
How to cope at Berkely knowing many of your classmates have low standardized test scores yet these are your peers at your school.
If you are at one of the top schools in the country and you still genuinely care about your peer's SAT scores you peaked in high school.
Our kids shouldn’t have to slum it with the sub-1400 goofballs. This isn’t clown college after all.
The test optional nonsense is making the UC Berkeley student body look like that of ASU.
Don’t insult ASU by comparing it to the UC colleges.
ASU is basically UCLA without access to a beach.
On the East Coast, the corresponding comparison is UConn being basically Cornell without the suicide bridge, and Penn State - Abington campus being basically UVA without the Rotunda.
Checks out.
Not at all. We are discussing the test blind admission practices at UCLA and the other UC schools. The test scores are on par with those at ASU.
Yeah, gonna need to see links.
I’ll look forward to seeing how actual ASU test scores are comparable to actual UCLA test scores, at any point in history.
That is the whole point of being test blind. Your test scores can be terrible and exclude you from getting into reputable schools like ASU.
Anonymous
05/16/2026 21:16
Subject: Top 10 public "ranking"?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ranked based on quality of the peer groups
UCB
UCLA
UMich
UVA
GT
UNC
W&M
UT
UIUC
The academic peer group at the UCs is pretty bad right now. The kids might be interesting but they are not really that smart.
Source?
Her “How to cope with a Berkekey rejection in your portal” handbook.
How to cope at Berkely knowing many of your classmates have low standardized test scores yet these are your peers at your school.
If you are at one of the top schools in the country and you still genuinely care about your peer's SAT scores you peaked in high school.
Our kids shouldn’t have to slum it with the sub-1400 goofballs. This isn’t clown college after all.
The test optional nonsense is making the UC Berkeley student body look like that of ASU.
Don’t insult ASU by comparing it to the UC colleges.
ASU is basically UCLA without access to a beach.
On the East Coast, the corresponding comparison is UConn being basically Cornell without the suicide bridge, and Penn State - Abington campus being basically UVA without the Rotunda.
Checks out.
Not at all. We are discussing the test blind admission practices at UCLA and the other UC schools. The test scores are on par with those at ASU.
Yeah, gonna need to see links.
I’ll look forward to seeing how actual ASU test scores are comparable to actual UCLA test scores, at any point in history.
Anonymous
05/16/2026 21:02
Subject: Top 10 public "ranking"?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ranked based on quality of the peer groups
UCB
UCLA
UMich
UVA
GT
UNC
W&M
UT
UIUC
The academic peer group at the UCs is pretty bad right now. The kids might be interesting but they are not really that smart.
Source?
Her “How to cope with a Berkekey rejection in your portal” handbook.
How to cope at Berkely knowing many of your classmates have low standardized test scores yet these are your peers at your school.
If you are at one of the top schools in the country and you still genuinely care about your peer's SAT scores you peaked in high school.
Our kids shouldn’t have to slum it with the sub-1400 goofballs. This isn’t clown college after all.
The test optional nonsense is making the UC Berkeley student body look like that of ASU.
Don’t insult ASU by comparing it to the UC colleges.
ASU is basically UCLA without access to a beach.
On the East Coast, the corresponding comparison is UConn being basically Cornell without the suicide bridge, and Penn State - Abington campus being basically UVA without the Rotunda.
Checks out.
Not at all. We are discussing the test blind admission practices at UCLA and the other UC schools. The test scores are on par with those at ASU.
Anonymous
05/16/2026 20:19
Subject: Top 10 public "ranking"?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ranked based on quality of the peer groups
UCB
UCLA
UMich
UVA
GT
UNC
W&M
UT
UIUC
The academic peer group at the UCs is pretty bad right now. The kids might be interesting but they are not really that smart.
Source?
Her “How to cope with a Berkekey rejection in your portal” handbook.
How to cope at Berkely knowing many of your classmates have low standardized test scores yet these are your peers at your school.
If you are at one of the top schools in the country and you still genuinely care about your peer's SAT scores you peaked in high school.
Our kids shouldn’t have to slum it with the sub-1400 goofballs. This isn’t clown college after all.
The test optional nonsense is making the UC Berkeley student body look like that of ASU.
Don’t insult ASU by comparing it to the UC colleges.
ASU is basically UCLA without access to a beach.
On the East Coast, the corresponding comparison is UConn being basically Cornell without the suicide bridge, and Penn State - Abington campus being basically UVA without the Rotunda.
Checks out.
Anonymous
05/16/2026 19:40
Subject: Re:Top 10 public "ranking"?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My kid is at Davis. Pleasantly surprised that that the faculty in Econ/poly sci have been fantastic. He’s liked the TAs. He’s had no problems registering or finding housing for sophomore year. He’s active in several orgs and made it onto a competitive academic team as a freshman. There is a wide gap academically between the Bay Area kids and other in state kids/OOS kids. International kids are more varied. Bay Area kids have to be tippy top to get in and therefore have an advantage in being able to navigate the research orientation of the UCs. He has a wide group of friends including a few OOS kids with low SATs. Once you are in college, you don’t need to only associate with people who scored over 1500 on the SAT. There will be plenty high scorers in upper division economics , animal science, engineering, bio, poly sci , chem etc etc.
Davis has been a top national level public school and globally recognized long before any methodology changes in the rankings. If it makes the anti UC poster feel better, his SAT was 1560, one sitting no super score.
CA public higher education is different from other states. UC is dedicated to research, graduate level studies and preparing undergraduates for graduate or professional level schools, scholarship and research. CA states are dedicated are dedicated to four year degrees with the exception being education. It is more vocational, applied and career focused. If you want to be an accountant, nurse, business administrator, teacher etc you would go to Cal State. This split has allowed the UCs to heavily invest in research heavy departments and influences the lack of hand holding or spoon feeding approach. It’s also allowed Cal States to focus more on teaching and doing.
Love it! UC Berkeley has also been viewed as a top university for many decades now - here in the U.S. and globally, too. Distractions like social mobility scores, FGLI, Pell Grant status, and whatever else critics have to offer cannot erase decades of rankings that didn’t rely on those factors.
We’re very fortunate to have one Stanford graduate, with another currently at Stanford and our youngest currently at UC Berkeley. Our UC “outlier” is a one-and-done 1600 kid who (I suspect) will end up vectoring well beyond the achievement arc of his older siblings.
Most of his friends, frat brothers, and club sport teammates are exceptional. In many respects, far more impressive than the friends and teammates we’ve met over the years through our other children at Stanford.
The anti-UC poster is apparently a disgruntled former TA from a UC campus. Whatever their experience may have been, their perseveration with amplifying their hostility toward the UC system is an unhealthy obsession, to be honest.
Times change...it's Test Blind now. Not great. Not sure how you don't see that. But keep living in the past.
Do you seriously think that Test Optional schools are not taking on fewer lower performers than coveted publics like those in the UC system?
At least with the test blind format, the UC system was forced (by its Regents) to develop an effective holistic review system that seeks to construct high quality classes of high achievers.
The rest of the country just buried their head in the sand with the test optional format, relying only on grade inflated applicants and knowing that low performers were getting in - and in abundant numbers.
I’ll put the Cal or UCLA cohorts up against any cohort from Cornell, Vanderbilt, Northwestern, any other public, and any SLAC … and they will blow every one of those schools away on any standardized test.
The fact that it’s not required doesn’t lead to the conclusion you think it does - in fact, PLENTY of 1600 and 36 scorers call the UC system home and I’d happily wager that the test optional format has littered the aforementioned schools with far more low performers.
Pure unadulterated speculation. The fact is you have zero data. Your screed is nothing but a fantasy.
Really? The absence of data didn’t seem to matter when you were asserting that UC students lack top test scores. Right?
You jumped from test blind to low performers pretty easily without data.
By the way, the research at UT (among all other data on the subject) is my basis for doubting that the test optional format is at least as flawed at the test blind format in weeding out low performers.
What’s your data-driven basis for doubting that the leader of the top publics in America is no longer Cal or UCLA. Remember, show data.
https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2025-12-14/uc-admissions-sat-standardized-tests
The exit data for the class of 2025 isn't available yet but by all accounts there were some speedbumps in getting the test blind students up to speed.
The MCAT/LSAT/GMAT/GRE data will become available at some point and by all accounts these classes are less talented than prior classes.