Lots of overlap but the real distinction… $ and any signal of it such as ED, coming from a private school etc

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Anonymous wrote:UCLA and Berkeley are top 30

20

Test blind.

The graduate schools are still quite good and the UCLA student experience is good but berkeley is not a top school at the moment.

I don't why some people don't understand this. No one knows the intellect of the students they let in anymore especially with high school grade inflation these days. Totally test blind. They should not be top anything anymore.

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Anonymous wrote:UCLA and Berkeley are top 30

20

Test blind.

The graduate schools are still quite good and the UCLA student experience is good but berkeley is not a top school at the moment.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids at T20s also get into state flagships. Some choose the latter.

My firstborn is at an Ivy. My second born had the same choices and chose the state flagship.

Same for my two. First is at an ivy. Second had 4.0, 1580 SAT, 14 APS with a 5 on all of the tests (8 at application time) and was a national merit scholar finalist. He saw what my first went through and also was not into the social life at my older son's school. He chose our state flagship over Cornell (he was rejected everywhere else) and was pretty convinced he would have chosen it anyway. Because of his APs that transferred he is getting two degrees in three years and loves his school!

Often seen as a negative these days to get out in 3 years due to AP. AP are easy. Better to stay a 4th year and do graduate level courses. 2 degrees in 3 yrs cannot possibly be rigorous degrees and it will be obvious on the transcript. College is best not rushed through if one wants to be eligible for the best jobs or grad/med /law school one day

I have no idea what you are talking about. The kids who get out in 3 years took the same advance classes as the kids who graduated in 4; they just skipped out of all of the intro courses. So, the rigor is the same. I went to Harvard Law and knew at least three classmates who finished college in 3 years and skipped senior year. One was crazy smart and went to college at age 17, finished college in 3 years, and was unable to go to bars as a 1L.

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Anonymous wrote:Might got not be the answer OP wants to hear, but there is little difference between the two. Someone who got into impacted majors at Michigan OOS likely will get into WashU and vice versa.

Don’t think it’s true for Michigan OOS for CS/Engineering/Business. Those kids who end up there were shut out of private T20 options.

Not the same for undersubscribed majors.

Michigan has a top engineering school. Much better than most other T20 schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Kids at T20s also get into state flagships. Some choose the latter.

My firstborn is at an Ivy. My second born had the same choices and chose the state flagship.

Same for my two. First is at an ivy. Second had 4.0, 1580 SAT, 14 APS with a 5 on all of the tests (8 at application time) and was a national merit scholar finalist. He saw what my first went through and also was not into the social life at my older son's school. He chose our state flagship over Cornell (he was rejected everywhere else) and was pretty convinced he would have chosen it anyway. Because of his APs that transferred he is getting two degrees in three years and loves his school!

Often seen as a negative these days to get out in 3 years due to AP. AP are easy. Better to stay a 4th year and do graduate level courses. 2 degrees in 3 yrs cannot possibly be rigorous degrees and it will be obvious on the transcript. College is best not rushed through if one wants to be eligible for the best jobs or grad/med /law school one day

Anonymous wrote:Sometimes gender. UGA and William and Mary skew female.

The vast majority of schools skew female. There are simply more qualified female applicants these days.