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Anonymous wrote:It all goes to show we
1.) need to bolster worker protections back up and pay living wages, and
2.) we need to tax big corporations and the billionaires enriched by them a bit more.
That much is crystal clear.

Everybody loves to say we need to “pay living wages” but what does that MEAN?

How is the amount of “living wage” determined?
There are teenage employees still living with parents, or single people living with roommates. They don’t need as much to live on as a single mom with three kids who needs an apartment or house. Does that mean the minimum wage should be set according to what the highest need is? Walmart should pay everyone as if they are feeding a family of four?

What if someone just isn’t ever going to be highly efficient or productive? Would you be happier if those individuals are unemployed and receive welfare? Because that is what happens when wage floors are set.

What do you mean when you say productive?

And are you aware that employed Walmart workers already receive welfare?

By productive, I mean as an example I can scan 5 carts of groceries in 15 minutes vs 2 carts of groceries in 15 minutes. Or I can lift 10 crates in 2 minutes vs 5 crates. Or in addition to scanning groceries I also know how to provide customer service. Some people are naturally better workers than others. They usually grow their skills and obtain higher wages. But for those who don’t, and are just scanning the groceries, it is better for them to be employed than not.

And yes, of course I am aware that Walmart employees already receive benefits. But it’s not Walmart’s fault that there’s a single mom with a deadbeat ex who needs benefits in order to make ends meet. It’s not Walmart’s fault that some of its employees have kids they can’t afford. It’s not Walmart’s fault that some of their employees never progress beyond the most menial of tasks. And it isn’t Walmart’s fault that things like housing and healthcare, both of which receive large government subsidies, have become so unaffordable that even middle class salaries have a hard time affording them.

Do you think walmart cashiers are paid according to how quickly they scan groceries?

You’re so f—king stupid you’re not worth talking to. Although I’m curious what “skills” you have and how “productive” you are. Please share with the class, we could all use a good laugh.

What an awesome, smart person you must be. What a genius way to win hearts and minds!!

Truth is, I started out as many do. My parents didn’t go to college. My dad worked as a mailman and then had varying success as a small businessman while my mom worked in a factory. My first jobs were in grocery stores and retail. I took student loans and went to college, first gen, blah blah blah. Got a low level call center job, then figured out Microsoft Excel, picked up some accounting skills, eventually went on to build databases, went to on SQL, Python, data analysis with some legal stuff thrown in. Nothing irreplaceable, and I am not that special, but there is a reason I make 150k and not $15 an hour.

I know that grocery stores generally don’t pay some people more than others based on how fast you can scan a cart. I also know that if you have some hustle and are efficient, you can make much more than minimum wage while working at Aldi. Not everyone is cut out for that though… some cannot handle the pace. For those, there is Giant.

Oh, honey. You are suffering under tge delusion that your heart and mind are worth winning. I assure you, they are not. You are a garbage person to your core.

You will never make the world a better place with that attitude.

Did I say Walmart is great?
Did I say they shouldn’t be paying more in taxes?

Would you answer PPs question - is it an employers responsibility to provide a wage that meets an employee’s needs, whatever they are, regardless of the work being performed?

Why won’t you answer this?

Oh right, because it is better to call people garbage and try and shut down any meaningful conversation.

DP. You literally blamed the people who work at Walmart, rather than Waltons who are all billionaires (not just one, all !). You said they should all work at ALDI like that’s the simplest thing in the world. Problem solved.

Do you shop at Walmart with your $150k salary that you earn for nothing special?

You really should read up on how Walmart’s policies put hundreds of thousands out of work, were the biggest drivers of sending manufacturing jobs to China, how they disproportionately their employees use taxpayer-funded social services, and how their low prices contributed to overconsumption and the destruction of the planet.

Do you believe it is an employer’s responsibility to pay whatever a particular employee needs due to their personal circumstances?

No one has said any such thing except you. Did you get a degree from the Charlie Kirk school of “debate” while you learned PYTHON and EXCEL?

You’re a clown, bro.

Posts like 14:49 imply exactly that.

I’m not a bro of any sort. I’m a single mom.

It’s not hard to see why you’re single.

Who needs a man when I can support myself??

But you don’t support yourself. Your man STILL supports you, by your own admission.

Time to sink or swim, honey.

He pays child support according to a formula, not alimony. I make far too much money for alimony.

It must be hard to wrap your head around a self supporting college educated female having different opinions than you.

But you’re not self supporting. You’re making your ex pay you for the kids you chose to have and apparently can’t afford to support on your own. Why should your ex be responsible for your choices? Why should he have to pay you according to, what did you say it was, a formula? Rather than your “market value”? (Which to him is apparently nothing.)

I mean, you’ve been all over this thread preaching against workers being paid according to anything BUT their market value, haven’t you? But you think your situation is somehow different?

Sperm and egg are required. Women do not have a child without a man being involved.

A still can’t tell if you are a misogynist MAGA or a lib. I guess this is there the ends of the horseshoe meet.

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Anonymous wrote:It all goes to show we
1.) need to bolster worker protections back up and pay living wages, and
2.) we need to tax big corporations and the billionaires enriched by them a bit more.
That much is crystal clear.

Everybody loves to say we need to “pay living wages” but what does that MEAN?

How is the amount of “living wage” determined?
There are teenage employees still living with parents, or single people living with roommates. They don’t need as much to live on as a single mom with three kids who needs an apartment or house. Does that mean the minimum wage should be set according to what the highest need is? Walmart should pay everyone as if they are feeding a family of four?

What if someone just isn’t ever going to be highly efficient or productive? Would you be happier if those individuals are unemployed and receive welfare? Because that is what happens when wage floors are set.

What do you mean when you say productive?

And are you aware that employed Walmart workers already receive welfare?

By productive, I mean as an example I can scan 5 carts of groceries in 15 minutes vs 2 carts of groceries in 15 minutes. Or I can lift 10 crates in 2 minutes vs 5 crates. Or in addition to scanning groceries I also know how to provide customer service. Some people are naturally better workers than others. They usually grow their skills and obtain higher wages. But for those who don’t, and are just scanning the groceries, it is better for them to be employed than not.

And yes, of course I am aware that Walmart employees already receive benefits. But it’s not Walmart’s fault that there’s a single mom with a deadbeat ex who needs benefits in order to make ends meet. It’s not Walmart’s fault that some of its employees have kids they can’t afford. It’s not Walmart’s fault that some of their employees never progress beyond the most menial of tasks. And it isn’t Walmart’s fault that things like housing and healthcare, both of which receive large government subsidies, have become so unaffordable that even middle class salaries have a hard time affording them.

Do you think walmart cashiers are paid according to how quickly they scan groceries?

You’re so f—king stupid you’re not worth talking to. Although I’m curious what “skills” you have and how “productive” you are. Please share with the class, we could all use a good laugh.

What an awesome, smart person you must be. What a genius way to win hearts and minds!!

Truth is, I started out as many do. My parents didn’t go to college. My dad worked as a mailman and then had varying success as a small businessman while my mom worked in a factory. My first jobs were in grocery stores and retail. I took student loans and went to college, first gen, blah blah blah. Got a low level call center job, then figured out Microsoft Excel, picked up some accounting skills, eventually went on to build databases, went to on SQL, Python, data analysis with some legal stuff thrown in. Nothing irreplaceable, and I am not that special, but there is a reason I make 150k and not $15 an hour.

I know that grocery stores generally don’t pay some people more than others based on how fast you can scan a cart. I also know that if you have some hustle and are efficient, you can make much more than minimum wage while working at Aldi. Not everyone is cut out for that though… some cannot handle the pace. For those, there is Giant.

Oh, honey. You are suffering under tge delusion that your heart and mind are worth winning. I assure you, they are not. You are a garbage person to your core.

You will never make the world a better place with that attitude.

Did I say Walmart is great?
Did I say they shouldn’t be paying more in taxes?

Would you answer PPs question - is it an employers responsibility to provide a wage that meets an employee’s needs, whatever they are, regardless of the work being performed?

Why won’t you answer this?

Oh right, because it is better to call people garbage and try and shut down any meaningful conversation.

DP. You literally blamed the people who work at Walmart, rather than Waltons who are all billionaires (not just one, all !). You said they should all work at ALDI like that’s the simplest thing in the world. Problem solved.

Do you shop at Walmart with your $150k salary that you earn for nothing special?

You really should read up on how Walmart’s policies put hundreds of thousands out of work, were the biggest drivers of sending manufacturing jobs to China, how they disproportionately their employees use taxpayer-funded social services, and how their low prices contributed to overconsumption and the destruction of the planet.

Do you believe it is an employer’s responsibility to pay whatever a particular employee needs due to their personal circumstances?

No one has said any such thing except you. Did you get a degree from the Charlie Kirk school of “debate” while you learned PYTHON and EXCEL?

You’re a clown, bro.

Posts like 14:49 imply exactly that.

I’m not a bro of any sort. I’m a single mom.

It’s not hard to see why you’re single.

Who needs a man when I can support myself??

She’s being subsidized by the taxpayers to raise her spawn she irresponsibly had without securing a two parent household.

Not me. I work, make money, and pay all kinds of taxes. While I am technically “single” my kids do have a dad who also works, pays taxes, and helps provide for those kids. I just wanted PP to know I am not a “bro”.

“All kinds of taxes” - sure, Jan. Let’s see your filing for last year and we’ll point out all the breaks you’re getting.

Also hilarious that you’re forcing some man to subsidize your choice to be a single mom.

Just curious, are you MAGA? Misogynist? I am so terribly confused.

That much is obvious.

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Anonymous wrote:It all goes to show we
1.) need to bolster worker protections back up and pay living wages, and
2.) we need to tax big corporations and the billionaires enriched by them a bit more.
That much is crystal clear.

Everybody loves to say we need to “pay living wages” but what does that MEAN?

How is the amount of “living wage” determined?
There are teenage employees still living with parents, or single people living with roommates. They don’t need as much to live on as a single mom with three kids who needs an apartment or house. Does that mean the minimum wage should be set according to what the highest need is? Walmart should pay everyone as if they are feeding a family of four?

What if someone just isn’t ever going to be highly efficient or productive? Would you be happier if those individuals are unemployed and receive welfare? Because that is what happens when wage floors are set.

What do you mean when you say productive?

And are you aware that employed Walmart workers already receive welfare?

By productive, I mean as an example I can scan 5 carts of groceries in 15 minutes vs 2 carts of groceries in 15 minutes. Or I can lift 10 crates in 2 minutes vs 5 crates. Or in addition to scanning groceries I also know how to provide customer service. Some people are naturally better workers than others. They usually grow their skills and obtain higher wages. But for those who don’t, and are just scanning the groceries, it is better for them to be employed than not.

And yes, of course I am aware that Walmart employees already receive benefits. But it’s not Walmart’s fault that there’s a single mom with a deadbeat ex who needs benefits in order to make ends meet. It’s not Walmart’s fault that some of its employees have kids they can’t afford. It’s not Walmart’s fault that some of their employees never progress beyond the most menial of tasks. And it isn’t Walmart’s fault that things like housing and healthcare, both of which receive large government subsidies, have become so unaffordable that even middle class salaries have a hard time affording them.

Do you think walmart cashiers are paid according to how quickly they scan groceries?

You’re so f—king stupid you’re not worth talking to. Although I’m curious what “skills” you have and how “productive” you are. Please share with the class, we could all use a good laugh.

What an awesome, smart person you must be. What a genius way to win hearts and minds!!

Truth is, I started out as many do. My parents didn’t go to college. My dad worked as a mailman and then had varying success as a small businessman while my mom worked in a factory. My first jobs were in grocery stores and retail. I took student loans and went to college, first gen, blah blah blah. Got a low level call center job, then figured out Microsoft Excel, picked up some accounting skills, eventually went on to build databases, went to on SQL, Python, data analysis with some legal stuff thrown in. Nothing irreplaceable, and I am not that special, but there is a reason I make 150k and not $15 an hour.

I know that grocery stores generally don’t pay some people more than others based on how fast you can scan a cart. I also know that if you have some hustle and are efficient, you can make much more than minimum wage while working at Aldi. Not everyone is cut out for that though… some cannot handle the pace. For those, there is Giant.

Oh, honey. You are suffering under tge delusion that your heart and mind are worth winning. I assure you, they are not. You are a garbage person to your core.

You will never make the world a better place with that attitude.

Did I say Walmart is great?
Did I say they shouldn’t be paying more in taxes?

Would you answer PPs question - is it an employers responsibility to provide a wage that meets an employee’s needs, whatever they are, regardless of the work being performed?

Why won’t you answer this?

Oh right, because it is better to call people garbage and try and shut down any meaningful conversation.

DP. You literally blamed the people who work at Walmart, rather than Waltons who are all billionaires (not just one, all !). You said they should all work at ALDI like that’s the simplest thing in the world. Problem solved.

Do you shop at Walmart with your $150k salary that you earn for nothing special?

You really should read up on how Walmart’s policies put hundreds of thousands out of work, were the biggest drivers of sending manufacturing jobs to China, how they disproportionately their employees use taxpayer-funded social services, and how their low prices contributed to overconsumption and the destruction of the planet.

Do you believe it is an employer’s responsibility to pay whatever a particular employee needs due to their personal circumstances?

No one has said any such thing except you. Did you get a degree from the Charlie Kirk school of “debate” while you learned PYTHON and EXCEL?

You’re a clown, bro.

Posts like 14:49 imply exactly that.

I’m not a bro of any sort. I’m a single mom.

It’s not hard to see why you’re single.

Who needs a man when I can support myself??

But you don’t support yourself. Your man STILL supports you, by your own admission.

Time to sink or swim, honey.

He pays child support according to a formula, not alimony. I make far too much money for alimony.

It must be hard to wrap your head around a self supporting college educated female having different opinions than you.

But you’re not self supporting. You’re making your ex pay you for the kids you chose to have and apparently can’t afford to support on your own. Why should your ex be responsible for your choices? Why should he have to pay you according to, what did you say it was, a formula? Rather than your “market value”? (Which to him is apparently nothing.)

I mean, you’ve been all over this thread preaching against workers being paid according to anything BUT their market value, haven’t you? But you think your situation is somehow different?

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Anonymous wrote:It all goes to show we
1.) need to bolster worker protections back up and pay living wages, and
2.) we need to tax big corporations and the billionaires enriched by them a bit more.
That much is crystal clear.

Everybody loves to say we need to “pay living wages” but what does that MEAN?

How is the amount of “living wage” determined?
There are teenage employees still living with parents, or single people living with roommates. They don’t need as much to live on as a single mom with three kids who needs an apartment or house. Does that mean the minimum wage should be set according to what the highest need is? Walmart should pay everyone as if they are feeding a family of four?

What if someone just isn’t ever going to be highly efficient or productive? Would you be happier if those individuals are unemployed and receive welfare? Because that is what happens when wage floors are set.

What do you mean when you say productive?

And are you aware that employed Walmart workers already receive welfare?

By productive, I mean as an example I can scan 5 carts of groceries in 15 minutes vs 2 carts of groceries in 15 minutes. Or I can lift 10 crates in 2 minutes vs 5 crates. Or in addition to scanning groceries I also know how to provide customer service. Some people are naturally better workers than others. They usually grow their skills and obtain higher wages. But for those who don’t, and are just scanning the groceries, it is better for them to be employed than not.

And yes, of course I am aware that Walmart employees already receive benefits. But it’s not Walmart’s fault that there’s a single mom with a deadbeat ex who needs benefits in order to make ends meet. It’s not Walmart’s fault that some of its employees have kids they can’t afford. It’s not Walmart’s fault that some of their employees never progress beyond the most menial of tasks. And it isn’t Walmart’s fault that things like housing and healthcare, both of which receive large government subsidies, have become so unaffordable that even middle class salaries have a hard time affording them.

Do you think walmart cashiers are paid according to how quickly they scan groceries?

You’re so f—king stupid you’re not worth talking to. Although I’m curious what “skills” you have and how “productive” you are. Please share with the class, we could all use a good laugh.

What an awesome, smart person you must be. What a genius way to win hearts and minds!!

Truth is, I started out as many do. My parents didn’t go to college. My dad worked as a mailman and then had varying success as a small businessman while my mom worked in a factory. My first jobs were in grocery stores and retail. I took student loans and went to college, first gen, blah blah blah. Got a low level call center job, then figured out Microsoft Excel, picked up some accounting skills, eventually went on to build databases, went to on SQL, Python, data analysis with some legal stuff thrown in. Nothing irreplaceable, and I am not that special, but there is a reason I make 150k and not $15 an hour.

I know that grocery stores generally don’t pay some people more than others based on how fast you can scan a cart. I also know that if you have some hustle and are efficient, you can make much more than minimum wage while working at Aldi. Not everyone is cut out for that though… some cannot handle the pace. For those, there is Giant.

Oh, honey. You are suffering under tge delusion that your heart and mind are worth winning. I assure you, they are not. You are a garbage person to your core.

You will never make the world a better place with that attitude.

Did I say Walmart is great?
Did I say they shouldn’t be paying more in taxes?

Would you answer PPs question - is it an employers responsibility to provide a wage that meets an employee’s needs, whatever they are, regardless of the work being performed?

Why won’t you answer this?

Oh right, because it is better to call people garbage and try and shut down any meaningful conversation.

DP. You literally blamed the people who work at Walmart, rather than Waltons who are all billionaires (not just one, all !). You said they should all work at ALDI like that’s the simplest thing in the world. Problem solved.

Do you shop at Walmart with your $150k salary that you earn for nothing special?

You really should read up on how Walmart’s policies put hundreds of thousands out of work, were the biggest drivers of sending manufacturing jobs to China, how they disproportionately their employees use taxpayer-funded social services, and how their low prices contributed to overconsumption and the destruction of the planet.

Do you believe it is an employer’s responsibility to pay whatever a particular employee needs due to their personal circumstances?

Who is more important to the company, front line workers or shareholders? Why should taxpayers have to subsidize businesses who should pay a living wage?

There's no taxpayer subsidy. WM pays taxes. It pays market rates for labor at all levels, like other businesses. Employees worth minimum wage receive that. Employees worth more get more. Why should anyone be paid more than the market says they're worth? If they're so valuable, surely somebody would pay them accordingly? WM is hardly unique in that dynamic - there are plenty of low-paid occupations which employ people with limited skills/capabilities.

I'd like to be paid more, but achieving that is on me, not on my employer.

Welfare is the taxpayer subsidy, moron. I guess they didn’t go over that in your online coding bootcamp. Too bad you didn’t bother to pay attention back when you went to taxpayer funded high school.

Ok, then. Remove welfare from people if you don't like them receiving it. Let them sink or swim purely on the basis of their own abilities and efforts. Or is that not what you mean? It's very confusing.

Okay, let’s remove corporate welfare and see how walmart fares!

See how that works, moron?

PP might be fine with that.
Don’t threaten us with a good time.

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Anonymous wrote:It all goes to show we
1.) need to bolster worker protections back up and pay living wages, and
2.) we need to tax big corporations and the billionaires enriched by them a bit more.
That much is crystal clear.

Everybody loves to say we need to “pay living wages” but what does that MEAN?

How is the amount of “living wage” determined?
There are teenage employees still living with parents, or single people living with roommates. They don’t need as much to live on as a single mom with three kids who needs an apartment or house. Does that mean the minimum wage should be set according to what the highest need is? Walmart should pay everyone as if they are feeding a family of four?

What if someone just isn’t ever going to be highly efficient or productive? Would you be happier if those individuals are unemployed and receive welfare? Because that is what happens when wage floors are set.

What do you mean when you say productive?

And are you aware that employed Walmart workers already receive welfare?

By productive, I mean as an example I can scan 5 carts of groceries in 15 minutes vs 2 carts of groceries in 15 minutes. Or I can lift 10 crates in 2 minutes vs 5 crates. Or in addition to scanning groceries I also know how to provide customer service. Some people are naturally better workers than others. They usually grow their skills and obtain higher wages. But for those who don’t, and are just scanning the groceries, it is better for them to be employed than not.

And yes, of course I am aware that Walmart employees already receive benefits. But it’s not Walmart’s fault that there’s a single mom with a deadbeat ex who needs benefits in order to make ends meet. It’s not Walmart’s fault that some of its employees have kids they can’t afford. It’s not Walmart’s fault that some of their employees never progress beyond the most menial of tasks. And it isn’t Walmart’s fault that things like housing and healthcare, both of which receive large government subsidies, have become so unaffordable that even middle class salaries have a hard time affording them.

Do you think walmart cashiers are paid according to how quickly they scan groceries?

You’re so f—king stupid you’re not worth talking to. Although I’m curious what “skills” you have and how “productive” you are. Please share with the class, we could all use a good laugh.

What an awesome, smart person you must be. What a genius way to win hearts and minds!!

Truth is, I started out as many do. My parents didn’t go to college. My dad worked as a mailman and then had varying success as a small businessman while my mom worked in a factory. My first jobs were in grocery stores and retail. I took student loans and went to college, first gen, blah blah blah. Got a low level call center job, then figured out Microsoft Excel, picked up some accounting skills, eventually went on to build databases, went to on SQL, Python, data analysis with some legal stuff thrown in. Nothing irreplaceable, and I am not that special, but there is a reason I make 150k and not $15 an hour.

I know that grocery stores generally don’t pay some people more than others based on how fast you can scan a cart. I also know that if you have some hustle and are efficient, you can make much more than minimum wage while working at Aldi. Not everyone is cut out for that though… some cannot handle the pace. For those, there is Giant.

Oh, honey. You are suffering under tge delusion that your heart and mind are worth winning. I assure you, they are not. You are a garbage person to your core.

You will never make the world a better place with that attitude.

Did I say Walmart is great?
Did I say they shouldn’t be paying more in taxes?

Would you answer PPs question - is it an employers responsibility to provide a wage that meets an employee’s needs, whatever they are, regardless of the work being performed?

Why won’t you answer this?

Oh right, because it is better to call people garbage and try and shut down any meaningful conversation.

DP. You literally blamed the people who work at Walmart, rather than Waltons who are all billionaires (not just one, all !). You said they should all work at ALDI like that’s the simplest thing in the world. Problem solved.

Do you shop at Walmart with your $150k salary that you earn for nothing special?

You really should read up on how Walmart’s policies put hundreds of thousands out of work, were the biggest drivers of sending manufacturing jobs to China, how they disproportionately their employees use taxpayer-funded social services, and how their low prices contributed to overconsumption and the destruction of the planet.

Do you believe it is an employer’s responsibility to pay whatever a particular employee needs due to their personal circumstances?

No one has said any such thing except you. Did you get a degree from the Charlie Kirk school of “debate” while you learned PYTHON and EXCEL?

You’re a clown, bro.

Posts like 14:49 imply exactly that.

I’m not a bro of any sort. I’m a single mom.

It’s not hard to see why you’re single.

And yet you won’t answer the basic question.

You can knock down your own strawman, sweetheart.

I’m dead serious. I don’t know if it’s you or other posters here, but there are people here who want wages tied to employee needs rather than the value of the employee’s labor. I think that’s the wrong way to go about it.

Every human being deserves dignity. That said, there are some people whose monetary needs outstrip what they are able to earn on their own. Maybe they have a disability, or other reason they cannot move up the ladder. That’s OK. That’s why we have welfare. If we require a “living wage” be paid, then those folks and young and unskilled people are eventually going to be left out of the labor market entirely. They won’t even get on the first rung of the ladder, and then you will have even more people requiring even more welfare. Not to mention prices of goods and services going up and making things less affordable for everyone.

It could well be that tax loopholes need to be closed, but I would not assume that doing so will fix everything. You could tax profits at 100% and you are still going to have people unable to earn a wage they can live on.

Bolded is the strawman. I honestly can’t tell if you’re being disingenuous or if you really don’t understand this conversation.

I’m not being disingenuous. But I am also not claiming to have all of the answers to all of the aspects of the issues that PPs are pointing out. I’m merely pointing out that not all workers are productive enough to meet their own needs. It is not the employer’s duty to become a de facto welfare provider to those who cannot do for themselves, nor would that be beneficial to society at large. It’s bad enough that healthcare is tied to employers.

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Anonymous wrote:It all goes to show we
1.) need to bolster worker protections back up and pay living wages, and
2.) we need to tax big corporations and the billionaires enriched by them a bit more.
That much is crystal clear.

Everybody loves to say we need to “pay living wages” but what does that MEAN?

How is the amount of “living wage” determined?
There are teenage employees still living with parents, or single people living with roommates. They don’t need as much to live on as a single mom with three kids who needs an apartment or house. Does that mean the minimum wage should be set according to what the highest need is? Walmart should pay everyone as if they are feeding a family of four?

What if someone just isn’t ever going to be highly efficient or productive? Would you be happier if those individuals are unemployed and receive welfare? Because that is what happens when wage floors are set.

What do you mean when you say productive?

And are you aware that employed Walmart workers already receive welfare?

By productive, I mean as an example I can scan 5 carts of groceries in 15 minutes vs 2 carts of groceries in 15 minutes. Or I can lift 10 crates in 2 minutes vs 5 crates. Or in addition to scanning groceries I also know how to provide customer service. Some people are naturally better workers than others. They usually grow their skills and obtain higher wages. But for those who don’t, and are just scanning the groceries, it is better for them to be employed than not.

And yes, of course I am aware that Walmart employees already receive benefits. But it’s not Walmart’s fault that there’s a single mom with a deadbeat ex who needs benefits in order to make ends meet. It’s not Walmart’s fault that some of its employees have kids they can’t afford. It’s not Walmart’s fault that some of their employees never progress beyond the most menial of tasks. And it isn’t Walmart’s fault that things like housing and healthcare, both of which receive large government subsidies, have become so unaffordable that even middle class salaries have a hard time affording them.

Do you think walmart cashiers are paid according to how quickly they scan groceries?

You’re so f—king stupid you’re not worth talking to. Although I’m curious what “skills” you have and how “productive” you are. Please share with the class, we could all use a good laugh.

What an awesome, smart person you must be. What a genius way to win hearts and minds!!

Truth is, I started out as many do. My parents didn’t go to college. My dad worked as a mailman and then had varying success as a small businessman while my mom worked in a factory. My first jobs were in grocery stores and retail. I took student loans and went to college, first gen, blah blah blah. Got a low level call center job, then figured out Microsoft Excel, picked up some accounting skills, eventually went on to build databases, went to on SQL, Python, data analysis with some legal stuff thrown in. Nothing irreplaceable, and I am not that special, but there is a reason I make 150k and not $15 an hour.

I know that grocery stores generally don’t pay some people more than others based on how fast you can scan a cart. I also know that if you have some hustle and are efficient, you can make much more than minimum wage while working at Aldi. Not everyone is cut out for that though… some cannot handle the pace. For those, there is Giant.

Oh, honey. You are suffering under tge delusion that your heart and mind are worth winning. I assure you, they are not. You are a garbage person to your core.

You will never make the world a better place with that attitude.

Did I say Walmart is great?
Did I say they shouldn’t be paying more in taxes?

Would you answer PPs question - is it an employers responsibility to provide a wage that meets an employee’s needs, whatever they are, regardless of the work being performed?

Why won’t you answer this?

Oh right, because it is better to call people garbage and try and shut down any meaningful conversation.

DP. You literally blamed the people who work at Walmart, rather than Waltons who are all billionaires (not just one, all !). You said they should all work at ALDI like that’s the simplest thing in the world. Problem solved.

Do you shop at Walmart with your $150k salary that you earn for nothing special?

You really should read up on how Walmart’s policies put hundreds of thousands out of work, were the biggest drivers of sending manufacturing jobs to China, how they disproportionately their employees use taxpayer-funded social services, and how their low prices contributed to overconsumption and the destruction of the planet.

Do you believe it is an employer’s responsibility to pay whatever a particular employee needs due to their personal circumstances?

No one has said any such thing except you. Did you get a degree from the Charlie Kirk school of “debate” while you learned PYTHON and EXCEL?

You’re a clown, bro.

Posts like 14:49 imply exactly that.

I’m not a bro of any sort. I’m a single mom.

It’s not hard to see why you’re single.

Who needs a man when I can support myself??

She’s being subsidized by the taxpayers to raise her spawn she irresponsibly had without securing a two parent household.

Not me. I work, make money, and pay all kinds of taxes. While I am technically “single” my kids do have a dad who also works, pays taxes, and helps provide for those kids. I just wanted PP to know I am not a “bro”.

“All kinds of taxes” - sure, Jan. Let’s see your filing for last year and we’ll point out all the breaks you’re getting.

Also hilarious that you’re forcing some man to subsidize your choice to be a single mom.

Just curious, are you MAGA? Misogynist? I am so terribly confused.

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Anonymous wrote:It all goes to show we
1.) need to bolster worker protections back up and pay living wages, and
2.) we need to tax big corporations and the billionaires enriched by them a bit more.
That much is crystal clear.

Everybody loves to say we need to “pay living wages” but what does that MEAN?

How is the amount of “living wage” determined?
There are teenage employees still living with parents, or single people living with roommates. They don’t need as much to live on as a single mom with three kids who needs an apartment or house. Does that mean the minimum wage should be set according to what the highest need is? Walmart should pay everyone as if they are feeding a family of four?

What if someone just isn’t ever going to be highly efficient or productive? Would you be happier if those individuals are unemployed and receive welfare? Because that is what happens when wage floors are set.

What do you mean when you say productive?

And are you aware that employed Walmart workers already receive welfare?

By productive, I mean as an example I can scan 5 carts of groceries in 15 minutes vs 2 carts of groceries in 15 minutes. Or I can lift 10 crates in 2 minutes vs 5 crates. Or in addition to scanning groceries I also know how to provide customer service. Some people are naturally better workers than others. They usually grow their skills and obtain higher wages. But for those who don’t, and are just scanning the groceries, it is better for them to be employed than not.

And yes, of course I am aware that Walmart employees already receive benefits. But it’s not Walmart’s fault that there’s a single mom with a deadbeat ex who needs benefits in order to make ends meet. It’s not Walmart’s fault that some of its employees have kids they can’t afford. It’s not Walmart’s fault that some of their employees never progress beyond the most menial of tasks. And it isn’t Walmart’s fault that things like housing and healthcare, both of which receive large government subsidies, have become so unaffordable that even middle class salaries have a hard time affording them.

Do you think walmart cashiers are paid according to how quickly they scan groceries?

You’re so f—king stupid you’re not worth talking to. Although I’m curious what “skills” you have and how “productive” you are. Please share with the class, we could all use a good laugh.

What an awesome, smart person you must be. What a genius way to win hearts and minds!!

Truth is, I started out as many do. My parents didn’t go to college. My dad worked as a mailman and then had varying success as a small businessman while my mom worked in a factory. My first jobs were in grocery stores and retail. I took student loans and went to college, first gen, blah blah blah. Got a low level call center job, then figured out Microsoft Excel, picked up some accounting skills, eventually went on to build databases, went to on SQL, Python, data analysis with some legal stuff thrown in. Nothing irreplaceable, and I am not that special, but there is a reason I make 150k and not $15 an hour.

I know that grocery stores generally don’t pay some people more than others based on how fast you can scan a cart. I also know that if you have some hustle and are efficient, you can make much more than minimum wage while working at Aldi. Not everyone is cut out for that though… some cannot handle the pace. For those, there is Giant.

Oh, honey. You are suffering under tge delusion that your heart and mind are worth winning. I assure you, they are not. You are a garbage person to your core.

You will never make the world a better place with that attitude.

Did I say Walmart is great?
Did I say they shouldn’t be paying more in taxes?

Would you answer PPs question - is it an employers responsibility to provide a wage that meets an employee’s needs, whatever they are, regardless of the work being performed?

Why won’t you answer this?

Oh right, because it is better to call people garbage and try and shut down any meaningful conversation.

DP. You literally blamed the people who work at Walmart, rather than Waltons who are all billionaires (not just one, all !). You said they should all work at ALDI like that’s the simplest thing in the world. Problem solved.

Do you shop at Walmart with your $150k salary that you earn for nothing special?

You really should read up on how Walmart’s policies put hundreds of thousands out of work, were the biggest drivers of sending manufacturing jobs to China, how they disproportionately their employees use taxpayer-funded social services, and how their low prices contributed to overconsumption and the destruction of the planet.

Do you believe it is an employer’s responsibility to pay whatever a particular employee needs due to their personal circumstances?

No one has said any such thing except you. Did you get a degree from the Charlie Kirk school of “debate” while you learned PYTHON and EXCEL?

You’re a clown, bro.

Posts like 14:49 imply exactly that.

I’m not a bro of any sort. I’m a single mom.

It’s not hard to see why you’re single.

Who needs a man when I can support myself??

But you don’t support yourself. Your man STILL supports you, by your own admission.

Time to sink or swim, honey.

He pays child support according to a formula, not alimony. I make far too much money for alimony.

It must be hard to wrap your head around a self supporting college educated female having different opinions than you.

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Anonymous wrote:It all goes to show we
1.) need to bolster worker protections back up and pay living wages, and
2.) we need to tax big corporations and the billionaires enriched by them a bit more.
That much is crystal clear.

Everybody loves to say we need to “pay living wages” but what does that MEAN?

How is the amount of “living wage” determined?
There are teenage employees still living with parents, or single people living with roommates. They don’t need as much to live on as a single mom with three kids who needs an apartment or house. Does that mean the minimum wage should be set according to what the highest need is? Walmart should pay everyone as if they are feeding a family of four?

What if someone just isn’t ever going to be highly efficient or productive? Would you be happier if those individuals are unemployed and receive welfare? Because that is what happens when wage floors are set.

What do you mean when you say productive?

And are you aware that employed Walmart workers already receive welfare?

By productive, I mean as an example I can scan 5 carts of groceries in 15 minutes vs 2 carts of groceries in 15 minutes. Or I can lift 10 crates in 2 minutes vs 5 crates. Or in addition to scanning groceries I also know how to provide customer service. Some people are naturally better workers than others. They usually grow their skills and obtain higher wages. But for those who don’t, and are just scanning the groceries, it is better for them to be employed than not.

And yes, of course I am aware that Walmart employees already receive benefits. But it’s not Walmart’s fault that there’s a single mom with a deadbeat ex who needs benefits in order to make ends meet. It’s not Walmart’s fault that some of its employees have kids they can’t afford. It’s not Walmart’s fault that some of their employees never progress beyond the most menial of tasks. And it isn’t Walmart’s fault that things like housing and healthcare, both of which receive large government subsidies, have become so unaffordable that even middle class salaries have a hard time affording them.

Do you think walmart cashiers are paid according to how quickly they scan groceries?

You’re so f—king stupid you’re not worth talking to. Although I’m curious what “skills” you have and how “productive” you are. Please share with the class, we could all use a good laugh.

What an awesome, smart person you must be. What a genius way to win hearts and minds!!

Truth is, I started out as many do. My parents didn’t go to college. My dad worked as a mailman and then had varying success as a small businessman while my mom worked in a factory. My first jobs were in grocery stores and retail. I took student loans and went to college, first gen, blah blah blah. Got a low level call center job, then figured out Microsoft Excel, picked up some accounting skills, eventually went on to build databases, went to on SQL, Python, data analysis with some legal stuff thrown in. Nothing irreplaceable, and I am not that special, but there is a reason I make 150k and not $15 an hour.

I know that grocery stores generally don’t pay some people more than others based on how fast you can scan a cart. I also know that if you have some hustle and are efficient, you can make much more than minimum wage while working at Aldi. Not everyone is cut out for that though… some cannot handle the pace. For those, there is Giant.

Oh, honey. You are suffering under tge delusion that your heart and mind are worth winning. I assure you, they are not. You are a garbage person to your core.

You will never make the world a better place with that attitude.

Did I say Walmart is great?
Did I say they shouldn’t be paying more in taxes?

Would you answer PPs question - is it an employers responsibility to provide a wage that meets an employee’s needs, whatever they are, regardless of the work being performed?

Why won’t you answer this?

Oh right, because it is better to call people garbage and try and shut down any meaningful conversation.

DP. You literally blamed the people who work at Walmart, rather than Waltons who are all billionaires (not just one, all !). You said they should all work at ALDI like that’s the simplest thing in the world. Problem solved.

Do you shop at Walmart with your $150k salary that you earn for nothing special?

You really should read up on how Walmart’s policies put hundreds of thousands out of work, were the biggest drivers of sending manufacturing jobs to China, how they disproportionately their employees use taxpayer-funded social services, and how their low prices contributed to overconsumption and the destruction of the planet.

Do you believe it is an employer’s responsibility to pay whatever a particular employee needs due to their personal circumstances?

No one has said any such thing except you. Did you get a degree from the Charlie Kirk school of “debate” while you learned PYTHON and EXCEL?

You’re a clown, bro.

Posts like 14:49 imply exactly that.

I’m not a bro of any sort. I’m a single mom.

It’s not hard to see why you’re single.

And yet you won’t answer the basic question.

You can knock down your own strawman, sweetheart.

I’m dead serious. I don’t know if it’s you or other posters here, but there are people here who want wages tied to employee needs rather than the value of the employee’s labor. I think that’s the wrong way to go about it.

Every human being deserves dignity. That said, there are some people whose monetary needs outstrip what they are able to earn on their own. Maybe they have a disability, or other reason they cannot move up the ladder. That’s OK. That’s why we have welfare. If we require a “living wage” be paid, then those folks and young and unskilled people are eventually going to be left out of the labor market entirely. They won’t even get on the first rung of the ladder, and then you will have even more people requiring even more welfare. Not to mention prices of goods and services going up and making things less affordable for everyone.

It could well be that tax loopholes need to be closed, but I would not assume that doing so will fix everything. You could tax profits at 100% and you are still going to have people unable to earn a wage they can live on.

Bolded is the strawman. I honestly can’t tell if you’re being disingenuous or if you really don’t understand this conversation.

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Anonymous wrote:It all goes to show we
1.) need to bolster worker protections back up and pay living wages, and
2.) we need to tax big corporations and the billionaires enriched by them a bit more.
That much is crystal clear.

Everybody loves to say we need to “pay living wages” but what does that MEAN?

How is the amount of “living wage” determined?
There are teenage employees still living with parents, or single people living with roommates. They don’t need as much to live on as a single mom with three kids who needs an apartment or house. Does that mean the minimum wage should be set according to what the highest need is? Walmart should pay everyone as if they are feeding a family of four?

What if someone just isn’t ever going to be highly efficient or productive? Would you be happier if those individuals are unemployed and receive welfare? Because that is what happens when wage floors are set.

What do you mean when you say productive?

And are you aware that employed Walmart workers already receive welfare?

By productive, I mean as an example I can scan 5 carts of groceries in 15 minutes vs 2 carts of groceries in 15 minutes. Or I can lift 10 crates in 2 minutes vs 5 crates. Or in addition to scanning groceries I also know how to provide customer service. Some people are naturally better workers than others. They usually grow their skills and obtain higher wages. But for those who don’t, and are just scanning the groceries, it is better for them to be employed than not.

And yes, of course I am aware that Walmart employees already receive benefits. But it’s not Walmart’s fault that there’s a single mom with a deadbeat ex who needs benefits in order to make ends meet. It’s not Walmart’s fault that some of its employees have kids they can’t afford. It’s not Walmart’s fault that some of their employees never progress beyond the most menial of tasks. And it isn’t Walmart’s fault that things like housing and healthcare, both of which receive large government subsidies, have become so unaffordable that even middle class salaries have a hard time affording them.

Do you think walmart cashiers are paid according to how quickly they scan groceries?

You’re so f—king stupid you’re not worth talking to. Although I’m curious what “skills” you have and how “productive” you are. Please share with the class, we could all use a good laugh.

What an awesome, smart person you must be. What a genius way to win hearts and minds!!

Truth is, I started out as many do. My parents didn’t go to college. My dad worked as a mailman and then had varying success as a small businessman while my mom worked in a factory. My first jobs were in grocery stores and retail. I took student loans and went to college, first gen, blah blah blah. Got a low level call center job, then figured out Microsoft Excel, picked up some accounting skills, eventually went on to build databases, went to on SQL, Python, data analysis with some legal stuff thrown in. Nothing irreplaceable, and I am not that special, but there is a reason I make 150k and not $15 an hour.

I know that grocery stores generally don’t pay some people more than others based on how fast you can scan a cart. I also know that if you have some hustle and are efficient, you can make much more than minimum wage while working at Aldi. Not everyone is cut out for that though… some cannot handle the pace. For those, there is Giant.

Oh, honey. You are suffering under tge delusion that your heart and mind are worth winning. I assure you, they are not. You are a garbage person to your core.

You will never make the world a better place with that attitude.

Did I say Walmart is great?
Did I say they shouldn’t be paying more in taxes?

Would you answer PPs question - is it an employers responsibility to provide a wage that meets an employee’s needs, whatever they are, regardless of the work being performed?

Why won’t you answer this?

Oh right, because it is better to call people garbage and try and shut down any meaningful conversation.

DP. You literally blamed the people who work at Walmart, rather than Waltons who are all billionaires (not just one, all !). You said they should all work at ALDI like that’s the simplest thing in the world. Problem solved.

Do you shop at Walmart with your $150k salary that you earn for nothing special?

You really should read up on how Walmart’s policies put hundreds of thousands out of work, were the biggest drivers of sending manufacturing jobs to China, how they disproportionately their employees use taxpayer-funded social services, and how their low prices contributed to overconsumption and the destruction of the planet.

Do you believe it is an employer’s responsibility to pay whatever a particular employee needs due to their personal circumstances?

Who is more important to the company, front line workers or shareholders? Why should taxpayers have to subsidize businesses who should pay a living wage?

There's no taxpayer subsidy. WM pays taxes. It pays market rates for labor at all levels, like other businesses. Employees worth minimum wage receive that. Employees worth more get more. Why should anyone be paid more than the market says they're worth? If they're so valuable, surely somebody would pay them accordingly? WM is hardly unique in that dynamic - there are plenty of low-paid occupations which employ people with limited skills/capabilities.

I'd like to be paid more, but achieving that is on me, not on my employer.

Welfare is the taxpayer subsidy, moron. I guess they didn’t go over that in your online coding bootcamp. Too bad you didn’t bother to pay attention back when you went to taxpayer funded high school.

Ok, then. Remove welfare from people if you don't like them receiving it. Let them sink or swim purely on the basis of their own abilities and efforts. Or is that not what you mean? It's very confusing.

Okay, let’s remove corporate welfare and see how walmart fares!

See how that works, moron?

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Anonymous wrote:It all goes to show we
1.) need to bolster worker protections back up and pay living wages, and
2.) we need to tax big corporations and the billionaires enriched by them a bit more.
That much is crystal clear.

Everybody loves to say we need to “pay living wages” but what does that MEAN?

How is the amount of “living wage” determined?
There are teenage employees still living with parents, or single people living with roommates. They don’t need as much to live on as a single mom with three kids who needs an apartment or house. Does that mean the minimum wage should be set according to what the highest need is? Walmart should pay everyone as if they are feeding a family of four?

What if someone just isn’t ever going to be highly efficient or productive? Would you be happier if those individuals are unemployed and receive welfare? Because that is what happens when wage floors are set.

What do you mean when you say productive?

And are you aware that employed Walmart workers already receive welfare?

By productive, I mean as an example I can scan 5 carts of groceries in 15 minutes vs 2 carts of groceries in 15 minutes. Or I can lift 10 crates in 2 minutes vs 5 crates. Or in addition to scanning groceries I also know how to provide customer service. Some people are naturally better workers than others. They usually grow their skills and obtain higher wages. But for those who don’t, and are just scanning the groceries, it is better for them to be employed than not.

And yes, of course I am aware that Walmart employees already receive benefits. But it’s not Walmart’s fault that there’s a single mom with a deadbeat ex who needs benefits in order to make ends meet. It’s not Walmart’s fault that some of its employees have kids they can’t afford. It’s not Walmart’s fault that some of their employees never progress beyond the most menial of tasks. And it isn’t Walmart’s fault that things like housing and healthcare, both of which receive large government subsidies, have become so unaffordable that even middle class salaries have a hard time affording them.

Do you think walmart cashiers are paid according to how quickly they scan groceries?

You’re so f—king stupid you’re not worth talking to. Although I’m curious what “skills” you have and how “productive” you are. Please share with the class, we could all use a good laugh.

What an awesome, smart person you must be. What a genius way to win hearts and minds!!

Truth is, I started out as many do. My parents didn’t go to college. My dad worked as a mailman and then had varying success as a small businessman while my mom worked in a factory. My first jobs were in grocery stores and retail. I took student loans and went to college, first gen, blah blah blah. Got a low level call center job, then figured out Microsoft Excel, picked up some accounting skills, eventually went on to build databases, went to on SQL, Python, data analysis with some legal stuff thrown in. Nothing irreplaceable, and I am not that special, but there is a reason I make 150k and not $15 an hour.

I know that grocery stores generally don’t pay some people more than others based on how fast you can scan a cart. I also know that if you have some hustle and are efficient, you can make much more than minimum wage while working at Aldi. Not everyone is cut out for that though… some cannot handle the pace. For those, there is Giant.

Oh, honey. You are suffering under tge delusion that your heart and mind are worth winning. I assure you, they are not. You are a garbage person to your core.

You will never make the world a better place with that attitude.

Did I say Walmart is great?
Did I say they shouldn’t be paying more in taxes?

Would you answer PPs question - is it an employers responsibility to provide a wage that meets an employee’s needs, whatever they are, regardless of the work being performed?

Why won’t you answer this?

Oh right, because it is better to call people garbage and try and shut down any meaningful conversation.

DP. You literally blamed the people who work at Walmart, rather than Waltons who are all billionaires (not just one, all !). You said they should all work at ALDI like that’s the simplest thing in the world. Problem solved.

Do you shop at Walmart with your $150k salary that you earn for nothing special?

You really should read up on how Walmart’s policies put hundreds of thousands out of work, were the biggest drivers of sending manufacturing jobs to China, how they disproportionately their employees use taxpayer-funded social services, and how their low prices contributed to overconsumption and the destruction of the planet.

Do you believe it is an employer’s responsibility to pay whatever a particular employee needs due to their personal circumstances?

No one has said any such thing except you. Did you get a degree from the Charlie Kirk school of “debate” while you learned PYTHON and EXCEL?

You’re a clown, bro.

Posts like 14:49 imply exactly that.

I’m not a bro of any sort. I’m a single mom.

It’s not hard to see why you’re single.

Who needs a man when I can support myself??

But you don’t support yourself. Your man STILL supports you, by your own admission.

Time to sink or swim, honey.

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Anonymous wrote:It all goes to show we
1.) need to bolster worker protections back up and pay living wages, and
2.) we need to tax big corporations and the billionaires enriched by them a bit more.
That much is crystal clear.

Everybody loves to say we need to “pay living wages” but what does that MEAN?

How is the amount of “living wage” determined?
There are teenage employees still living with parents, or single people living with roommates. They don’t need as much to live on as a single mom with three kids who needs an apartment or house. Does that mean the minimum wage should be set according to what the highest need is? Walmart should pay everyone as if they are feeding a family of four?

What if someone just isn’t ever going to be highly efficient or productive? Would you be happier if those individuals are unemployed and receive welfare? Because that is what happens when wage floors are set.

What do you mean when you say productive?

And are you aware that employed Walmart workers already receive welfare?

By productive, I mean as an example I can scan 5 carts of groceries in 15 minutes vs 2 carts of groceries in 15 minutes. Or I can lift 10 crates in 2 minutes vs 5 crates. Or in addition to scanning groceries I also know how to provide customer service. Some people are naturally better workers than others. They usually grow their skills and obtain higher wages. But for those who don’t, and are just scanning the groceries, it is better for them to be employed than not.

And yes, of course I am aware that Walmart employees already receive benefits. But it’s not Walmart’s fault that there’s a single mom with a deadbeat ex who needs benefits in order to make ends meet. It’s not Walmart’s fault that some of its employees have kids they can’t afford. It’s not Walmart’s fault that some of their employees never progress beyond the most menial of tasks. And it isn’t Walmart’s fault that things like housing and healthcare, both of which receive large government subsidies, have become so unaffordable that even middle class salaries have a hard time affording them.

Do you think walmart cashiers are paid according to how quickly they scan groceries?

You’re so f—king stupid you’re not worth talking to. Although I’m curious what “skills” you have and how “productive” you are. Please share with the class, we could all use a good laugh.

What an awesome, smart person you must be. What a genius way to win hearts and minds!!

Truth is, I started out as many do. My parents didn’t go to college. My dad worked as a mailman and then had varying success as a small businessman while my mom worked in a factory. My first jobs were in grocery stores and retail. I took student loans and went to college, first gen, blah blah blah. Got a low level call center job, then figured out Microsoft Excel, picked up some accounting skills, eventually went on to build databases, went to on SQL, Python, data analysis with some legal stuff thrown in. Nothing irreplaceable, and I am not that special, but there is a reason I make 150k and not $15 an hour.

I know that grocery stores generally don’t pay some people more than others based on how fast you can scan a cart. I also know that if you have some hustle and are efficient, you can make much more than minimum wage while working at Aldi. Not everyone is cut out for that though… some cannot handle the pace. For those, there is Giant.

Oh, honey. You are suffering under tge delusion that your heart and mind are worth winning. I assure you, they are not. You are a garbage person to your core.

You will never make the world a better place with that attitude.

Did I say Walmart is great?
Did I say they shouldn’t be paying more in taxes?

Would you answer PPs question - is it an employers responsibility to provide a wage that meets an employee’s needs, whatever they are, regardless of the work being performed?

Why won’t you answer this?

Oh right, because it is better to call people garbage and try and shut down any meaningful conversation.

DP. You literally blamed the people who work at Walmart, rather than Waltons who are all billionaires (not just one, all !). You said they should all work at ALDI like that’s the simplest thing in the world. Problem solved.

Do you shop at Walmart with your $150k salary that you earn for nothing special?

You really should read up on how Walmart’s policies put hundreds of thousands out of work, were the biggest drivers of sending manufacturing jobs to China, how they disproportionately their employees use taxpayer-funded social services, and how their low prices contributed to overconsumption and the destruction of the planet.

Do you believe it is an employer’s responsibility to pay whatever a particular employee needs due to their personal circumstances?

Who is more important to the company, front line workers or shareholders? Why should taxpayers have to subsidize businesses who should pay a living wage?

There's no taxpayer subsidy. WM pays taxes. It pays market rates for labor at all levels, like other businesses. Employees worth minimum wage receive that. Employees worth more get more. Why should anyone be paid more than the market says they're worth? If they're so valuable, surely somebody would pay them accordingly? WM is hardly unique in that dynamic - there are plenty of low-paid occupations which employ people with limited skills/capabilities.

I'd like to be paid more, but achieving that is on me, not on my employer.

Welfare is the taxpayer subsidy, moron. I guess they didn’t go over that in your online coding bootcamp. Too bad you didn’t bother to pay attention back when you went to taxpayer funded high school.

Ok, then. Remove welfare from people if you don't like them receiving it. Let them sink or swim purely on the basis of their own abilities and efforts. Or is that not what you mean? It's very confusing.

It’s only confusing if you’re an idiot.

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Anonymous wrote:It all goes to show we
1.) need to bolster worker protections back up and pay living wages, and
2.) we need to tax big corporations and the billionaires enriched by them a bit more.
That much is crystal clear.

Everybody loves to say we need to “pay living wages” but what does that MEAN?

How is the amount of “living wage” determined?
There are teenage employees still living with parents, or single people living with roommates. They don’t need as much to live on as a single mom with three kids who needs an apartment or house. Does that mean the minimum wage should be set according to what the highest need is? Walmart should pay everyone as if they are feeding a family of four?

What if someone just isn’t ever going to be highly efficient or productive? Would you be happier if those individuals are unemployed and receive welfare? Because that is what happens when wage floors are set.

What do you mean when you say productive?

And are you aware that employed Walmart workers already receive welfare?

By productive, I mean as an example I can scan 5 carts of groceries in 15 minutes vs 2 carts of groceries in 15 minutes. Or I can lift 10 crates in 2 minutes vs 5 crates. Or in addition to scanning groceries I also know how to provide customer service. Some people are naturally better workers than others. They usually grow their skills and obtain higher wages. But for those who don’t, and are just scanning the groceries, it is better for them to be employed than not.

And yes, of course I am aware that Walmart employees already receive benefits. But it’s not Walmart’s fault that there’s a single mom with a deadbeat ex who needs benefits in order to make ends meet. It’s not Walmart’s fault that some of its employees have kids they can’t afford. It’s not Walmart’s fault that some of their employees never progress beyond the most menial of tasks. And it isn’t Walmart’s fault that things like housing and healthcare, both of which receive large government subsidies, have become so unaffordable that even middle class salaries have a hard time affording them.

Do you think walmart cashiers are paid according to how quickly they scan groceries?

You’re so f—king stupid you’re not worth talking to. Although I’m curious what “skills” you have and how “productive” you are. Please share with the class, we could all use a good laugh.

What an awesome, smart person you must be. What a genius way to win hearts and minds!!

Truth is, I started out as many do. My parents didn’t go to college. My dad worked as a mailman and then had varying success as a small businessman while my mom worked in a factory. My first jobs were in grocery stores and retail. I took student loans and went to college, first gen, blah blah blah. Got a low level call center job, then figured out Microsoft Excel, picked up some accounting skills, eventually went on to build databases, went to on SQL, Python, data analysis with some legal stuff thrown in. Nothing irreplaceable, and I am not that special, but there is a reason I make 150k and not $15 an hour.

I know that grocery stores generally don’t pay some people more than others based on how fast you can scan a cart. I also know that if you have some hustle and are efficient, you can make much more than minimum wage while working at Aldi. Not everyone is cut out for that though… some cannot handle the pace. For those, there is Giant.

Oh, honey. You are suffering under tge delusion that your heart and mind are worth winning. I assure you, they are not. You are a garbage person to your core.

You will never make the world a better place with that attitude.

Did I say Walmart is great?
Did I say they shouldn’t be paying more in taxes?

Would you answer PPs question - is it an employers responsibility to provide a wage that meets an employee’s needs, whatever they are, regardless of the work being performed?

Why won’t you answer this?

Oh right, because it is better to call people garbage and try and shut down any meaningful conversation.

DP. You literally blamed the people who work at Walmart, rather than Waltons who are all billionaires (not just one, all !). You said they should all work at ALDI like that’s the simplest thing in the world. Problem solved.

Do you shop at Walmart with your $150k salary that you earn for nothing special?

You really should read up on how Walmart’s policies put hundreds of thousands out of work, were the biggest drivers of sending manufacturing jobs to China, how they disproportionately their employees use taxpayer-funded social services, and how their low prices contributed to overconsumption and the destruction of the planet.

Do you believe it is an employer’s responsibility to pay whatever a particular employee needs due to their personal circumstances?

No one has said any such thing except you. Did you get a degree from the Charlie Kirk school of “debate” while you learned PYTHON and EXCEL?

You’re a clown, bro.

Posts like 14:49 imply exactly that.

I’m not a bro of any sort. I’m a single mom.

It’s not hard to see why you’re single.

Who needs a man when I can support myself??

She’s being subsidized by the taxpayers to raise her spawn she irresponsibly had without securing a two parent household.

Not me. I work, make money, and pay all kinds of taxes. While I am technically “single” my kids do have a dad who also works, pays taxes, and helps provide for those kids. I just wanted PP to know I am not a “bro”.

“All kinds of taxes” - sure, Jan. Let’s see your filing for last year and we’ll point out all the breaks you’re getting.

Also hilarious that you’re forcing some man to subsidize your choice to be a single mom.

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Anonymous wrote:It all goes to show we
1.) need to bolster worker protections back up and pay living wages, and
2.) we need to tax big corporations and the billionaires enriched by them a bit more.
That much is crystal clear.

Everybody loves to say we need to “pay living wages” but what does that MEAN?

How is the amount of “living wage” determined?
There are teenage employees still living with parents, or single people living with roommates. They don’t need as much to live on as a single mom with three kids who needs an apartment or house. Does that mean the minimum wage should be set according to what the highest need is? Walmart should pay everyone as if they are feeding a family of four?

What if someone just isn’t ever going to be highly efficient or productive? Would you be happier if those individuals are unemployed and receive welfare? Because that is what happens when wage floors are set.

What do you mean when you say productive?

And are you aware that employed Walmart workers already receive welfare?

By productive, I mean as an example I can scan 5 carts of groceries in 15 minutes vs 2 carts of groceries in 15 minutes. Or I can lift 10 crates in 2 minutes vs 5 crates. Or in addition to scanning groceries I also know how to provide customer service. Some people are naturally better workers than others. They usually grow their skills and obtain higher wages. But for those who don’t, and are just scanning the groceries, it is better for them to be employed than not.

And yes, of course I am aware that Walmart employees already receive benefits. But it’s not Walmart’s fault that there’s a single mom with a deadbeat ex who needs benefits in order to make ends meet. It’s not Walmart’s fault that some of its employees have kids they can’t afford. It’s not Walmart’s fault that some of their employees never progress beyond the most menial of tasks. And it isn’t Walmart’s fault that things like housing and healthcare, both of which receive large government subsidies, have become so unaffordable that even middle class salaries have a hard time affording them.

Do you think walmart cashiers are paid according to how quickly they scan groceries?

You’re so f—king stupid you’re not worth talking to. Although I’m curious what “skills” you have and how “productive” you are. Please share with the class, we could all use a good laugh.

What an awesome, smart person you must be. What a genius way to win hearts and minds!!

Truth is, I started out as many do. My parents didn’t go to college. My dad worked as a mailman and then had varying success as a small businessman while my mom worked in a factory. My first jobs were in grocery stores and retail. I took student loans and went to college, first gen, blah blah blah. Got a low level call center job, then figured out Microsoft Excel, picked up some accounting skills, eventually went on to build databases, went to on SQL, Python, data analysis with some legal stuff thrown in. Nothing irreplaceable, and I am not that special, but there is a reason I make 150k and not $15 an hour.

I know that grocery stores generally don’t pay some people more than others based on how fast you can scan a cart. I also know that if you have some hustle and are efficient, you can make much more than minimum wage while working at Aldi. Not everyone is cut out for that though… some cannot handle the pace. For those, there is Giant.

Oh, honey. You are suffering under tge delusion that your heart and mind are worth winning. I assure you, they are not. You are a garbage person to your core.

You will never make the world a better place with that attitude.

Did I say Walmart is great?
Did I say they shouldn’t be paying more in taxes?

Would you answer PPs question - is it an employers responsibility to provide a wage that meets an employee’s needs, whatever they are, regardless of the work being performed?

Why won’t you answer this?

Oh right, because it is better to call people garbage and try and shut down any meaningful conversation.

DP. You literally blamed the people who work at Walmart, rather than Waltons who are all billionaires (not just one, all !). You said they should all work at ALDI like that’s the simplest thing in the world. Problem solved.

Do you shop at Walmart with your $150k salary that you earn for nothing special?

You really should read up on how Walmart’s policies put hundreds of thousands out of work, were the biggest drivers of sending manufacturing jobs to China, how they disproportionately their employees use taxpayer-funded social services, and how their low prices contributed to overconsumption and the destruction of the planet.

Do you believe it is an employer’s responsibility to pay whatever a particular employee needs due to their personal circumstances?

No one has said any such thing except you. Did you get a degree from the Charlie Kirk school of “debate” while you learned PYTHON and EXCEL?

You’re a clown, bro.

Posts like 14:49 imply exactly that.

I’m not a bro of any sort. I’m a single mom.

It’s not hard to see why you’re single.

And yet you won’t answer the basic question.

You can knock down your own strawman, sweetheart.

I’m dead serious. I don’t know if it’s you or other posters here, but there are people here who want wages tied to employee needs rather than the value of the employee’s labor. I think that’s the wrong way to go about it.

Every human being deserves dignity. That said, there are some people whose monetary needs outstrip what they are able to earn on their own. Maybe they have a disability, or other reason they cannot move up the ladder. That’s OK. That’s why we have welfare. If we require a “living wage” be paid, then those folks and young and unskilled people are eventually going to be left out of the labor market entirely. They won’t even get on the first rung of the ladder, and then you will have even more people requiring even more welfare. Not to mention prices of goods and services going up and making things less affordable for everyone.

It could well be that tax loopholes need to be closed, but I would not assume that doing so will fix everything. You could tax profits at 100% and you are still going to have people unable to earn a wage they can live on.

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Anonymous wrote:It all goes to show we
1.) need to bolster worker protections back up and pay living wages, and
2.) we need to tax big corporations and the billionaires enriched by them a bit more.
That much is crystal clear.

Everybody loves to say we need to “pay living wages” but what does that MEAN?

How is the amount of “living wage” determined?
There are teenage employees still living with parents, or single people living with roommates. They don’t need as much to live on as a single mom with three kids who needs an apartment or house. Does that mean the minimum wage should be set according to what the highest need is? Walmart should pay everyone as if they are feeding a family of four?

What if someone just isn’t ever going to be highly efficient or productive? Would you be happier if those individuals are unemployed and receive welfare? Because that is what happens when wage floors are set.

What do you mean when you say productive?

And are you aware that employed Walmart workers already receive welfare?

By productive, I mean as an example I can scan 5 carts of groceries in 15 minutes vs 2 carts of groceries in 15 minutes. Or I can lift 10 crates in 2 minutes vs 5 crates. Or in addition to scanning groceries I also know how to provide customer service. Some people are naturally better workers than others. They usually grow their skills and obtain higher wages. But for those who don’t, and are just scanning the groceries, it is better for them to be employed than not.

And yes, of course I am aware that Walmart employees already receive benefits. But it’s not Walmart’s fault that there’s a single mom with a deadbeat ex who needs benefits in order to make ends meet. It’s not Walmart’s fault that some of its employees have kids they can’t afford. It’s not Walmart’s fault that some of their employees never progress beyond the most menial of tasks. And it isn’t Walmart’s fault that things like housing and healthcare, both of which receive large government subsidies, have become so unaffordable that even middle class salaries have a hard time affording them.

Do you think walmart cashiers are paid according to how quickly they scan groceries?

You’re so f—king stupid you’re not worth talking to. Although I’m curious what “skills” you have and how “productive” you are. Please share with the class, we could all use a good laugh.

What an awesome, smart person you must be. What a genius way to win hearts and minds!!

Truth is, I started out as many do. My parents didn’t go to college. My dad worked as a mailman and then had varying success as a small businessman while my mom worked in a factory. My first jobs were in grocery stores and retail. I took student loans and went to college, first gen, blah blah blah. Got a low level call center job, then figured out Microsoft Excel, picked up some accounting skills, eventually went on to build databases, went to on SQL, Python, data analysis with some legal stuff thrown in. Nothing irreplaceable, and I am not that special, but there is a reason I make 150k and not $15 an hour.

I know that grocery stores generally don’t pay some people more than others based on how fast you can scan a cart. I also know that if you have some hustle and are efficient, you can make much more than minimum wage while working at Aldi. Not everyone is cut out for that though… some cannot handle the pace. For those, there is Giant.

Oh, honey. You are suffering under tge delusion that your heart and mind are worth winning. I assure you, they are not. You are a garbage person to your core.

You will never make the world a better place with that attitude.

Did I say Walmart is great?
Did I say they shouldn’t be paying more in taxes?

Would you answer PPs question - is it an employers responsibility to provide a wage that meets an employee’s needs, whatever they are, regardless of the work being performed?

Why won’t you answer this?

Oh right, because it is better to call people garbage and try and shut down any meaningful conversation.

DP. You literally blamed the people who work at Walmart, rather than Waltons who are all billionaires (not just one, all !). You said they should all work at ALDI like that’s the simplest thing in the world. Problem solved.

Do you shop at Walmart with your $150k salary that you earn for nothing special?

You really should read up on how Walmart’s policies put hundreds of thousands out of work, were the biggest drivers of sending manufacturing jobs to China, how they disproportionately their employees use taxpayer-funded social services, and how their low prices contributed to overconsumption and the destruction of the planet.

Do you believe it is an employer’s responsibility to pay whatever a particular employee needs due to their personal circumstances?

Who is more important to the company, front line workers or shareholders? Why should taxpayers have to subsidize businesses who should pay a living wage?

There's no taxpayer subsidy. WM pays taxes. It pays market rates for labor at all levels, like other businesses. Employees worth minimum wage receive that. Employees worth more get more. Why should anyone be paid more than the market says they're worth? If they're so valuable, surely somebody would pay them accordingly? WM is hardly unique in that dynamic - there are plenty of low-paid occupations which employ people with limited skills/capabilities.

I'd like to be paid more, but achieving that is on me, not on my employer.

Welfare is the taxpayer subsidy, moron. I guess they didn’t go over that in your online coding bootcamp. Too bad you didn’t bother to pay attention back when you went to taxpayer funded high school.

Ok, then. Remove welfare from people if you don't like them receiving it. Let them sink or swim purely on the basis of their own abilities and efforts. Or is that not what you mean? It's very confusing.

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Anonymous wrote:It all goes to show we
1.) need to bolster worker protections back up and pay living wages, and
2.) we need to tax big corporations and the billionaires enriched by them a bit more.
That much is crystal clear.

Everybody loves to say we need to “pay living wages” but what does that MEAN?

How is the amount of “living wage” determined?
There are teenage employees still living with parents, or single people living with roommates. They don’t need as much to live on as a single mom with three kids who needs an apartment or house. Does that mean the minimum wage should be set according to what the highest need is? Walmart should pay everyone as if they are feeding a family of four?

What if someone just isn’t ever going to be highly efficient or productive? Would you be happier if those individuals are unemployed and receive welfare? Because that is what happens when wage floors are set.

What do you mean when you say productive?

And are you aware that employed Walmart workers already receive welfare?

By productive, I mean as an example I can scan 5 carts of groceries in 15 minutes vs 2 carts of groceries in 15 minutes. Or I can lift 10 crates in 2 minutes vs 5 crates. Or in addition to scanning groceries I also know how to provide customer service. Some people are naturally better workers than others. They usually grow their skills and obtain higher wages. But for those who don’t, and are just scanning the groceries, it is better for them to be employed than not.

And yes, of course I am aware that Walmart employees already receive benefits. But it’s not Walmart’s fault that there’s a single mom with a deadbeat ex who needs benefits in order to make ends meet. It’s not Walmart’s fault that some of its employees have kids they can’t afford. It’s not Walmart’s fault that some of their employees never progress beyond the most menial of tasks. And it isn’t Walmart’s fault that things like housing and healthcare, both of which receive large government subsidies, have become so unaffordable that even middle class salaries have a hard time affording them.

Do you think walmart cashiers are paid according to how quickly they scan groceries?

You’re so f—king stupid you’re not worth talking to. Although I’m curious what “skills” you have and how “productive” you are. Please share with the class, we could all use a good laugh.

What an awesome, smart person you must be. What a genius way to win hearts and minds!!

Truth is, I started out as many do. My parents didn’t go to college. My dad worked as a mailman and then had varying success as a small businessman while my mom worked in a factory. My first jobs were in grocery stores and retail. I took student loans and went to college, first gen, blah blah blah. Got a low level call center job, then figured out Microsoft Excel, picked up some accounting skills, eventually went on to build databases, went to on SQL, Python, data analysis with some legal stuff thrown in. Nothing irreplaceable, and I am not that special, but there is a reason I make 150k and not $15 an hour.

I know that grocery stores generally don’t pay some people more than others based on how fast you can scan a cart. I also know that if you have some hustle and are efficient, you can make much more than minimum wage while working at Aldi. Not everyone is cut out for that though… some cannot handle the pace. For those, there is Giant.

Oh, honey. You are suffering under tge delusion that your heart and mind are worth winning. I assure you, they are not. You are a garbage person to your core.

You will never make the world a better place with that attitude.

Did I say Walmart is great?
Did I say they shouldn’t be paying more in taxes?

Would you answer PPs question - is it an employers responsibility to provide a wage that meets an employee’s needs, whatever they are, regardless of the work being performed?

Why won’t you answer this?

Oh right, because it is better to call people garbage and try and shut down any meaningful conversation.

DP. You literally blamed the people who work at Walmart, rather than Waltons who are all billionaires (not just one, all !). You said they should all work at ALDI like that’s the simplest thing in the world. Problem solved.

Do you shop at Walmart with your $150k salary that you earn for nothing special?

You really should read up on how Walmart’s policies put hundreds of thousands out of work, were the biggest drivers of sending manufacturing jobs to China, how they disproportionately their employees use taxpayer-funded social services, and how their low prices contributed to overconsumption and the destruction of the planet.

Do you believe it is an employer’s responsibility to pay whatever a particular employee needs due to their personal circumstances?

No one has said any such thing except you. Did you get a degree from the Charlie Kirk school of “debate” while you learned PYTHON and EXCEL?

You’re a clown, bro.

Posts like 14:49 imply exactly that.

I’m not a bro of any sort. I’m a single mom.

It’s not hard to see why you’re single.

Who needs a man when I can support myself??

She’s being subsidized by the taxpayers to raise her spawn she irresponsibly had without securing a two parent household.

Not me. I work, make money, and pay all kinds of taxes. While I am technically “single” my kids do have a dad who also works, pays taxes, and helps provide for those kids. I just wanted PP to know I am not a “bro”.