Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have heard about the Wootton/Crown debacle but have not exactly been following it.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Forget the name. I think it will be a magnet. The sad truth is that our population is declining in terms of children. It peaked with the 2025 class and it's going to now wither away on the vine based on enrollments in earlier grades- 10-20%, difficult to say but people are not having their 2.3 population replacement kids and FCPS will solve its over-enrollment organically by people refusing to have 3+ kids.
Regardless of if this is true nationally, it is not true for all parts of the county. The schools in the western part of Fairfax County are gaining students, as are the ones around Tysons. Capacity relief is needed and will continue to be needed in the future. That is why we overwhelmingly rejected the magnet idea and the board voted it down. You need to give it up, you lost that battle already.
Have you actually looked at the published CIP data that shows future utilization forecasts by school and by pyramid? There are a few projected increases, but many, many more schools where enrollment is dropping off significantly.
Space in one part of FCPS does not necessarily translate to space in the Western part. The Western part is increasing.
The enrollments at Centreville, Herndon, and South Lakes are down more than the enrollments at Oakton and Westfield are up. Even Chantilly is down some from its peak in 2023-24. Plenty of capacity now and they still plan to expand Centreville.
Skyview was just a shiny toy they couldn't pass up. And the amount they'll end up spending on it will be similar or greater to what MCPS is spending to build Crown HS (likely the new Wootton HS building). They inflated how much a new HS would cost to build when they didn't intend to build one, so the claims of big savings are another FCPS lie.
The western debacle, being more local, has been easier for me to follow.
With that in mind, can a Wootton/Crown follower please explain this connection/reference.
Wootton is a successful, but dilapidated HS, in Rockville with a large Asian population.
MCPS just built a new HS further north in the Crown area of Gaithersburg for about $230 million.
The original plan was to open Crown as an additional HS without closing any current HS in MCPS. However, with declining enrollment on the horizon, MCPS leadership has proposed to relocate Wootton to the new building. There would be some boundary adjustments but most of the current Wootton feeders would move to Crown and it would retain the Wootton name.
It’s relevant to Skyview insofar as the actual cost of building Crown was about 50% of what FCPS was projecting a new western HS would cost if built from scratch. That suggests that FCPS was inflating the potential cost at a time when it didn’t really intend to build a new HS so it could say it was cost-prohibitive.
It is also relevant insofar as MCPS (like PWCPS) is acknowledging that enrollments are likely to decline in the coming years, whereas FCPS is adding a ton of capacity in western Fairfax between the recent Herndon expansion, the acquisition and planned modifications to KAA/Skyview, and the planned Centreville expansion. All that money for additional seats in western Fairfax, along with the unnecessary new Dunn Loring ES in Vienna, will delay renovations to other schools throughout the county, but Reid and the School Board are either unable or unwilling to manage the FCPS capital budget more effectively. They neither expect nor receive scrutiny because they are instruments of a county under one-party rule, where those who challenge their spending decisions are treated like traitors.
Thank you.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have heard about the Wootton/Crown debacle but have not exactly been following it.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Forget the name. I think it will be a magnet. The sad truth is that our population is declining in terms of children. It peaked with the 2025 class and it's going to now wither away on the vine based on enrollments in earlier grades- 10-20%, difficult to say but people are not having their 2.3 population replacement kids and FCPS will solve its over-enrollment organically by people refusing to have 3+ kids.
Regardless of if this is true nationally, it is not true for all parts of the county. The schools in the western part of Fairfax County are gaining students, as are the ones around Tysons. Capacity relief is needed and will continue to be needed in the future. That is why we overwhelmingly rejected the magnet idea and the board voted it down. You need to give it up, you lost that battle already.
Have you actually looked at the published CIP data that shows future utilization forecasts by school and by pyramid? There are a few projected increases, but many, many more schools where enrollment is dropping off significantly.
Space in one part of FCPS does not necessarily translate to space in the Western part. The Western part is increasing.
The enrollments at Centreville, Herndon, and South Lakes are down more than the enrollments at Oakton and Westfield are up. Even Chantilly is down some from its peak in 2023-24. Plenty of capacity now and they still plan to expand Centreville.
Skyview was just a shiny toy they couldn't pass up. And the amount they'll end up spending on it will be similar or greater to what MCPS is spending to build Crown HS (likely the new Wootton HS building). They inflated how much a new HS would cost to build when they didn't intend to build one, so the claims of big savings are another FCPS lie.
The western debacle, being more local, has been easier for me to follow.
With that in mind, can a Wootton/Crown follower please explain this connection/reference.
Wootton is a successful, but dilapidated HS, in Rockville with a large Asian population.
MCPS just built a new HS further north in the Crown area of Gaithersburg for about $230 million.
The original plan was to open Crown as an additional HS without closing any current HS in MCPS. However, with declining enrollment on the horizon, MCPS leadership has proposed to relocate Wootton to the new building. There would be some boundary adjustments but most of the current Wootton feeders would move to Crown and it would retain the Wootton name.
It’s relevant to Skyview insofar as the actual cost of building Crown was about 50% of what FCPS was projecting a new western HS would cost if built from scratch. That suggests that FCPS was inflating the potential cost at a time when it didn’t really intend to build a new HS so it could say it was cost-prohibitive.
It is also relevant insofar as MCPS (like PWCPS) is acknowledging that enrollments are likely to decline in the coming years, whereas FCPS is adding a ton of capacity in western Fairfax between the recent Herndon expansion, the acquisition and planned modifications to KAA/Skyview, and the planned Centreville expansion. All that money for additional seats in western Fairfax, along with the unnecessary new Dunn Loring ES in Vienna, will delay renovations to other schools throughout the county, but Reid and the School Board are either unable or unwilling to manage the FCPS capital budget more effectively. They neither expect nor receive scrutiny because they are instruments of a county under one-party rule, where those who challenge their spending decisions are treated like traitors.
Anonymous wrote:I have heard about the Wootton/Crown debacle but have not exactly been following it.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Forget the name. I think it will be a magnet. The sad truth is that our population is declining in terms of children. It peaked with the 2025 class and it's going to now wither away on the vine based on enrollments in earlier grades- 10-20%, difficult to say but people are not having their 2.3 population replacement kids and FCPS will solve its over-enrollment organically by people refusing to have 3+ kids.
Regardless of if this is true nationally, it is not true for all parts of the county. The schools in the western part of Fairfax County are gaining students, as are the ones around Tysons. Capacity relief is needed and will continue to be needed in the future. That is why we overwhelmingly rejected the magnet idea and the board voted it down. You need to give it up, you lost that battle already.
Have you actually looked at the published CIP data that shows future utilization forecasts by school and by pyramid? There are a few projected increases, but many, many more schools where enrollment is dropping off significantly.
Space in one part of FCPS does not necessarily translate to space in the Western part. The Western part is increasing.
The enrollments at Centreville, Herndon, and South Lakes are down more than the enrollments at Oakton and Westfield are up. Even Chantilly is down some from its peak in 2023-24. Plenty of capacity now and they still plan to expand Centreville.
Skyview was just a shiny toy they couldn't pass up. And the amount they'll end up spending on it will be similar or greater to what MCPS is spending to build Crown HS (likely the new Wootton HS building). They inflated how much a new HS would cost to build when they didn't intend to build one, so the claims of big savings are another FCPS lie.
The western debacle, being more local, has been easier for me to follow.
With that in mind, can a Wootton/Crown follower please explain this connection/reference.
I have heard about the Wootton/Crown debacle but have not exactly been following it.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Forget the name. I think it will be a magnet. The sad truth is that our population is declining in terms of children. It peaked with the 2025 class and it's going to now wither away on the vine based on enrollments in earlier grades- 10-20%, difficult to say but people are not having their 2.3 population replacement kids and FCPS will solve its over-enrollment organically by people refusing to have 3+ kids.
Regardless of if this is true nationally, it is not true for all parts of the county. The schools in the western part of Fairfax County are gaining students, as are the ones around Tysons. Capacity relief is needed and will continue to be needed in the future. That is why we overwhelmingly rejected the magnet idea and the board voted it down. You need to give it up, you lost that battle already.
Have you actually looked at the published CIP data that shows future utilization forecasts by school and by pyramid? There are a few projected increases, but many, many more schools where enrollment is dropping off significantly.
Space in one part of FCPS does not necessarily translate to space in the Western part. The Western part is increasing.
The enrollments at Centreville, Herndon, and South Lakes are down more than the enrollments at Oakton and Westfield are up. Even Chantilly is down some from its peak in 2023-24. Plenty of capacity now and they still plan to expand Centreville.
Skyview was just a shiny toy they couldn't pass up. And the amount they'll end up spending on it will be similar or greater to what MCPS is spending to build Crown HS (likely the new Wootton HS building). They inflated how much a new HS would cost to build when they didn't intend to build one, so the claims of big savings are another FCPS lie.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How about
Skyview Sonics (or SuperSonics)
Skyview Stars
Skyview Skywalkers
Are you just trying to make people shudder?
Any names/mascots that would make you happy would make someone else shudder. It's pointless to try to please everyone. I'm glad they picked a name and I don't care anymore what anyone thinks of it because it's over.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Forget the name. I think it will be a magnet. The sad truth is that our population is declining in terms of children. It peaked with the 2025 class and it's going to now wither away on the vine based on enrollments in earlier grades- 10-20%, difficult to say but people are not having their 2.3 population replacement kids and FCPS will solve its over-enrollment organically by people refusing to have 3+ kids.
Regardless of if this is true nationally, it is not true for all parts of the county. The schools in the western part of Fairfax County are gaining students, as are the ones around Tysons. Capacity relief is needed and will continue to be needed in the future. That is why we overwhelmingly rejected the magnet idea and the board voted it down. You need to give it up, you lost that battle already.
Have you actually looked at the published CIP data that shows future utilization forecasts by school and by pyramid? There are a few projected increases, but many, many more schools where enrollment is dropping off significantly.
Space in one part of FCPS does not necessarily translate to space in the Western part. The Western part is increasing.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How about
Skyview Sonics (or SuperSonics)
Skyview Stars
Skyview Skywalkers
Are you just trying to make people shudder?
Anonymous wrote:How about
Skyview Sonics (or SuperSonics)
Skyview Stars
Skyview Skywalkers
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Forget the name. I think it will be a magnet. The sad truth is that our population is declining in terms of children. It peaked with the 2025 class and it's going to now wither away on the vine based on enrollments in earlier grades- 10-20%, difficult to say but people are not having their 2.3 population replacement kids and FCPS will solve its over-enrollment organically by people refusing to have 3+ kids.
Regardless of if this is true nationally, it is not true for all parts of the county. The schools in the western part of Fairfax County are gaining students, as are the ones around Tysons. Capacity relief is needed and will continue to be needed in the future. That is why we overwhelmingly rejected the magnet idea and the board voted it down. You need to give it up, you lost that battle already.
Have you actually looked at the published CIP data that shows future utilization forecasts by school and by pyramid? There are a few projected increases, but many, many more schools where enrollment is dropping off significantly.
Space in one part of FCPS does not necessarily translate to space in the Western part. The Western part is increasing.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Forget the name. I think it will be a magnet. The sad truth is that our population is declining in terms of children. It peaked with the 2025 class and it's going to now wither away on the vine based on enrollments in earlier grades- 10-20%, difficult to say but people are not having their 2.3 population replacement kids and FCPS will solve its over-enrollment organically by people refusing to have 3+ kids.
Regardless of if this is true nationally, it is not true for all parts of the county. The schools in the western part of Fairfax County are gaining students, as are the ones around Tysons. Capacity relief is needed and will continue to be needed in the future. That is why we overwhelmingly rejected the magnet idea and the board voted it down. You need to give it up, you lost that battle already.
Have you actually looked at the published CIP data that shows future utilization forecasts by school and by pyramid? There are a few projected increases, but many, many more schools where enrollment is dropping off significantly.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Forget the name. I think it will be a magnet. The sad truth is that our population is declining in terms of children. It peaked with the 2025 class and it's going to now wither away on the vine based on enrollments in earlier grades- 10-20%, difficult to say but people are not having their 2.3 population replacement kids and FCPS will solve its over-enrollment organically by people refusing to have 3+ kids.
Regardless of if this is true nationally, it is not true for all parts of the county. The schools in the western part of Fairfax County are gaining students, as are the ones around Tysons. Capacity relief is needed and will continue to be needed in the future. That is why we overwhelmingly rejected the magnet idea and the board voted it down. You need to give it up, you lost that battle already.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:My personal opinion which is borderline a theory is that they went with Skyview (even though students, teachers, and parents all hate the name) because eventually, they will backtrack and make it a full magnet which is what Reid wants.Anonymous wrote:The fairfax now article says “students will also be allowed to specialize in aerospace science, technology or artificial intelligence and machine learning.” I thought that the pathways hadn’t been settled yet? Reid pretended that was just one possibility and magically it has become reality?
A magnet high school would be nice, but it being nice vs materialising into reality are two different things, and the implications of materialising this school as a magnet after voting to make it a traditional with “pathways” will be, Overcrowding remains at Chantilly and Westfield, distrust sets in as we realise the waste of money made, students who want to go to school close to where they live rather than going to a school up the back roads or down busy roads (Oakton, Chantilly, and Westfield) will be excluded from enrollment as model students (ones most likely to participate in the pathways) will be more likely to show, and the school board will be reconfigured from the lack of follow through and competency we have seen from them.
We may even force Reid out too!
Sorry for the incoherence, but I am trying to think this through and nothing is organising in my head because of how faulty the logic behind the school is and disorganisation of establishing it has been.
Bolded is the real answer, Reid gets what Reid wants. Board will back track, will claim real community interest is in aviation and robotics pathway courses. Will also claim they underestimated renovation costs and school can only support 1,000 -1,200 kids. Since these kids will be more interested in academic competitions no need for football team or stadium saving more money.
With opt in as the first step the plan is unfolding right in front of everyone.
Anonymous wrote:My personal opinion which is borderline a theory is that they went with Skyview (even though students, teachers, and parents all hate the name) because eventually, they will backtrack and make it a full magnet which is what Reid wants.Anonymous wrote:The fairfax now article says “students will also be allowed to specialize in aerospace science, technology or artificial intelligence and machine learning.” I thought that the pathways hadn’t been settled yet? Reid pretended that was just one possibility and magically it has become reality?
A magnet high school would be nice, but it being nice vs materialising into reality are two different things, and the implications of materialising this school as a magnet after voting to make it a traditional with “pathways” will be, Overcrowding remains at Chantilly and Westfield, distrust sets in as we realise the waste of money made, students who want to go to school close to where they live rather than going to a school up the back roads or down busy roads (Oakton, Chantilly, and Westfield) will be excluded from enrollment as model students (ones most likely to participate in the pathways) will be more likely to show, and the school board will be reconfigured from the lack of follow through and competency we have seen from them.
We may even force Reid out too!
Sorry for the incoherence, but I am trying to think this through and nothing is organising in my head because of how faulty the logic behind the school is and disorganisation of establishing it has been.