Anonymous wrote:are there and DEIs to blame it on?

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Anonymous wrote:"Kill them all" Pete Hegseth ordered as boat survivors emerged after the first air strike

Those people on the boat were given no trial, no due process, no way to prove they werent smuggling drugs based on the accusation by the Defense department, and even if which would not entail a death sentence in a court of a law.

I used to think we were the good guys.

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Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, following the first striking of a boat in the Caribbean in September, issued a verbal directive to U.S. service members to "kill them all" with a second strike that would leave no survivors, according to a new report from the Washington Post. The secretary strongly refutes such claims.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2025/11/28/hegseth-ordered-second-strike-kill-caribbean-boat-survivors-report.html

Oh wait, now it turns out that Whiskey Pete not only didn't order the second strike, he didn't even know about it.


Trump says he and Hegseth didn't know about second strike on boat

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/trump-ukraine-russia-venezuela-12-02-2025

Oh listen….. that’s the sound of an admiral getting thrown under the bus by Kegsbreath.

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Anonymous wrote:"Kill them all" Pete Hegseth ordered as boat survivors emerged after the first air strike

Those people on the boat were given no trial, no due process, no way to prove they werent smuggling drugs based on the accusation by the Defense department, and even if which would not entail a death sentence in a court of a law.

I used to think we were the good guys.

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Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, following the first striking of a boat in the Caribbean in September, issued a verbal directive to U.S. service members to "kill them all" with a second strike that would leave no survivors, according to a new report from the Washington Post. The secretary strongly refutes such claims.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2025/11/28/hegseth-ordered-second-strike-kill-caribbean-boat-survivors-report.html

Oh wait, now it turns out that Whiskey Pete not only didn't order the second strike, he didn't even know about it.


Trump says he and Hegseth didn't know about second strike on boat

https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/trump-ukraine-russia-venezuela-12-02-2025

Anonymous wrote:"Kill them all" Pete Hegseth ordered as boat survivors emerged after the first air strike

Those people on the boat were given no trial, no due process, no way to prove they werent smuggling drugs based on the accusation by the Defense department, and even if which would not entail a death sentence in a court of a law.

I used to think we were the good guys.

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Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, following the first striking of a boat in the Caribbean in September, issued a verbal directive to U.S. service members to "kill them all" with a second strike that would leave no survivors, according to a new report from the Washington Post. The secretary strongly refutes such claims.

https://www.military.com/daily-news/2025/11/28/hegseth-ordered-second-strike-kill-caribbean-boat-survivors-report.html

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Anonymous wrote:Consequences…. Here is a bit of history

Following his release in 1974, Lieutenant William Calley moved to GA, and lived a regular life. He stayed out of the public eye and worked at a store.

The former war criminal died in a Florida hospice last year, after his 80th birthday.

Who else was held to account after the ongoing conflict in/around Vietnam. Can we name them?

Calley served barely any time behind bars, he was under house arrest most of the time he was technically in custody. According to Wikipedia news media didn't even know he was dead for 3 months, and his death certificate says he had no military service.
I happened to look him up a couple of days ago. There were 10 or so other soldiers that I believe were never charged at all.
It's dispiriting how loathe we are to actually act on war crimes. Seemed like we got a tiny bit better with the 9-11 wars but between pardons and the Gallagher seal reinstatement and godawful Hegseth, we are now publicly not caring at all (not just about the boats, Hegseth wiping out a lot of rules pertaining to engagement and use of force. I think the people I most loathe in the administration are that pissant and Leavitt.

So depressing. One of the many stains on our national soul. If you haven't heard of the My Lai massacre, now is a perfect time to read up on it. Some stats:

American troops "just following orders"

*killed 347–504 Vietnamese civilians--most were women, children, and elderly. (The lower count is that of the US government).
*used M16s and machine guns to mow down civilians and threw grenades into homes and bunkers
*raped and sexually assaulted dozens of girls and women
*mutilated bodies (genitals cut off, scalps taken)
*killed babies and children at close range, some thrown into mass graves while still alive

And here's a photo:

Let’s find something closer to our decade. Let’s talk about the innocents killed under Obama and Bush.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Consequences…. Here is a bit of history

Following his release in 1974, Lieutenant William Calley moved to GA, and lived a regular life. He stayed out of the public eye and worked at a store.

The former war criminal died in a Florida hospice last year, after his 80th birthday.

Who else was held to account after the ongoing conflict in/around Vietnam. Can we name them?

Calley served barely any time behind bars, he was under house arrest most of the time he was technically in custody. According to Wikipedia news media didn't even know he was dead for 3 months, and his death certificate says he had no military service.
I happened to look him up a couple of days ago. There were 10 or so other soldiers that I believe were never charged at all.
It's dispiriting how loathe we are to actually act on war crimes. Seemed like we got a tiny bit better with the 9-11 wars but between pardons and the Gallagher seal reinstatement and godawful Hegseth, we are now publicly not caring at all (not just about the boats, Hegseth wiping out a lot of rules pertaining to engagement and use of force. I think the people I most loathe in the administration are that pissant and Leavitt.

So depressing. One of the many stains on our national soul. If you haven't heard of the My Lai massacre, now is a perfect time to read up on it. Some stats:

American troops "just following orders"

*killed 347–504 Vietnamese civilians--most were women, children, and elderly. (The lower count is that of the US government).
*used M16s and machine guns to mow down civilians and threw grenades into homes and bunkers
*raped and sexually assaulted dozens of girls and women
*mutilated bodies (genitals cut off, scalps taken)
*killed babies and children at close range, some thrown into mass graves while still alive

And here's a photo:

Let’s find something closer to our decade. Let’s talk about the innocents killed under Obama and Bush.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Consequences…. Here is a bit of history

Following his release in 1974, Lieutenant William Calley moved to GA, and lived a regular life. He stayed out of the public eye and worked at a store.

The former war criminal died in a Florida hospice last year, after his 80th birthday.

Who else was held to account after the ongoing conflict in/around Vietnam. Can we name them?

Calley served barely any time behind bars, he was under house arrest most of the time he was technically in custody. According to Wikipedia news media didn't even know he was dead for 3 months, and his death certificate says he had no military service.
I happened to look him up a couple of days ago. There were 10 or so other soldiers that I believe were never charged at all.
It's dispiriting how loathe we are to actually act on war crimes. Seemed like we got a tiny bit better with the 9-11 wars but between pardons and the Gallagher seal reinstatement and godawful Hegseth, we are now publicly not caring at all (not just about the boats, Hegseth wiping out a lot of rules pertaining to engagement and use of force. I think the people I most loathe in the administration are that pissant and Leavitt.

So depressing. One of the many stains on our national soul. If you haven't heard of the My Lai massacre, now is a perfect time to read up on it. Some stats:

American troops "just following orders"

*killed 347–504 Vietnamese civilians--most were women, children, and elderly. (The lower count is that of the US government).
*used M16s and machine guns to mow down civilians and threw grenades into homes and bunkers
*raped and sexually assaulted dozens of girls and women
*mutilated bodies (genitals cut off, scalps taken)
*killed babies and children at close range, some thrown into mass graves while still alive

And here's a photo:

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a former judge advocate. Was deployed as a lawyer in Afghanistan. Striking the boat a second time was not manifestly unlawful; therefore, the order needed followed. Not a war crime. Not murder.

That’s disgusting, if true. Expect enemy combatants to deliver the same mercy to American troops.

It is not true and PP is not a judge advocate, they just play one on the internet.

It was illegal. These are war crimes. The admiral should have resigned instead of following these orders.

Yes - really a former judge advocate. The boats can absolutely be legitimate military targets. There is no need for a declaration of war to determine something is a legitimate military target. And if the boats and drugs are not destroyed with the first missile, you can fire a second.

Hmm. Should we believe this anonymous DCUM MAGGAT or the military times and the former JAGs that sent a memo declaring that these were war crimes?

A group of former military lawyers issued a memo Saturday condemning Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth for allegedly ordering a special operations commander and military personnel to kill everybody aboard an alleged drug-carrying vessel on Sept. 2.
https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2025/12/01/former-jags-say-hegseth-others-may-have-committed-war-crimes/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=fb_mt&brid=pf-5ILpXFSioPnbCSwzGgw

These right-leaning individuals have also questioned the legality of Hegseth’s orders.

- Sen. Roger Wicker (R-MS): As chair of the Senate Armed Services Committee

- Rep. Mike Rogers (R-AL): Chair of the House Armed Services Committee

- Rep. Don Bacon (R-NE): A veteran and Armed Services Committee member

- Bret Baier (Fox News): res anchor

- John Fund (National Review): The conservative columnist and editor-at-large

ok, that's all and good, but give on on trying to find a technicality that is going to cause Trump's demise--this strategy is not going to work.

The only thing or person that can cause Trump‘s demise is Trump himself. He is literally his worst enemy. He f’s up everything he touches eventually. By the time he’s done, he will destroy the GOP for a long time to come.