Anonymous
07/25/2025 11:24
Subject: CS is dead
Anonymous wrote:Probably best for someone to start a new thread on the Jobs forum.
Yeah, sorry to derail. I'm not looking for job advice for friend's son, just pushing back that a pivot to Engineering or math is a good idea.
Also worth pointing out CS (and tech heavy jobs) are hard to apply for because these are exactly the job seekers who can automate their search and flood the system.
Anonymous
07/25/2025 10:34
Subject: CS is dead
Probably best for someone to start a new thread on the Jobs forum.
Anonymous
07/25/2025 09:21
Subject: CS is dead
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you have a child who wants to study computer science please tell them to major in pure mathematics and minor in computer science instead. I am a machine learning engineer and makes $300k. Most machine learning positions are research positions where you need the ability to turn theoretical algorithms into a product. The courses I took in Abstract algebra, topology, differential geometry, and Real Analysis are extremely useful.
Unfortunately, math majors are a rare bread. And the reason is that math departments do a very poor jobs highlighting the diverse careers of their pure math graduates. I think pure mathematics is the best major.
why not minor in ML? https://ml.cmu.edu/academics/minor-in-machine-learning
And most ML I've seen looks more Statistics than Math - which ML are you doing?
Statistics is just linear algebra and real analysis applied to certain questions; mix with a bit of probability theory. This is nothing outside of the scope of a pure math major.
I'm sure Stats boils down to Math; Math is probably the most universal subject and CS is the second most; I can see Operations Research as a more practical major and palatable to CS majors. Or double major in one of the Engineerings - I heard a MS in EE has done more math than a BS in Math granted different Math topics and no proofs.
An MS in EE has done more math problems, than a bottom of the barrel math major. Regardless, I know someone who completed an MS in EE at a top school last spring and is still unemployed. Had a great internship last summer but that company is in a freeze. Everything is bad right now.
Tech companies in metro DC are actively hiring EEs. Lots of such jobs exist now along the Silver Line and some also exist along I-270 corridor.
Most jobs are looking for specific skills (e.g., Verilog/VHDL logic programmers or Digital Communications or real-time systems developers with an MSEE are in shortage; MSEE with specialty of Electric Power - ala PEPCO - is not in shortage).
Emphasis is IC Design, searching from West Coast but willing to relocate, getting nothing.
Aerospace Corp is actually trying to hire people like this. SpaceX also is doing a lot of IC design. Apple and Qualcomm are hiring them in San Diego. ARM also is hiring people like this, in many locations.
Qualcomm is in a freeze. Apple was a no. Some listings are just posturing.
It can’t be a hard freeze, because I know someone who just started there — working on radio IC design.
Looks clear - there is a bit of networking going on here. Companies are hiring but only if you are in the network.
I'm in SD. I don't work for Qualcomm but every third person does, the mood is palpable. Regardless he's had senior contact there since before starting school, was explicitly told internships go unfilled, hiring is bleak, that's proven true. When you see a listing, every bot does, too. Reality is worse than job boards imply, certainly for new grads.
Anonymous
07/25/2025 08:23
Subject: CS is dead
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you have a child who wants to study computer science please tell them to major in pure mathematics and minor in computer science instead. I am a machine learning engineer and makes $300k. Most machine learning positions are research positions where you need the ability to turn theoretical algorithms into a product. The courses I took in Abstract algebra, topology, differential geometry, and Real Analysis are extremely useful.
Unfortunately, math majors are a rare bread. And the reason is that math departments do a very poor jobs highlighting the diverse careers of their pure math graduates. I think pure mathematics is the best major.
why not minor in ML? https://ml.cmu.edu/academics/minor-in-machine-learning
And most ML I've seen looks more Statistics than Math - which ML are you doing?
Statistics is just linear algebra and real analysis applied to certain questions; mix with a bit of probability theory. This is nothing outside of the scope of a pure math major.
I'm sure Stats boils down to Math; Math is probably the most universal subject and CS is the second most; I can see Operations Research as a more practical major and palatable to CS majors. Or double major in one of the Engineerings - I heard a MS in EE has done more math than a BS in Math granted different Math topics and no proofs.
An MS in EE has done more math problems, than a bottom of the barrel math major. Regardless, I know someone who completed an MS in EE at a top school last spring and is still unemployed. Had a great internship last summer but that company is in a freeze. Everything is bad right now.
Tech companies in metro DC are actively hiring EEs. Lots of such jobs exist now along the Silver Line and some also exist along I-270 corridor.
Most jobs are looking for specific skills (e.g., Verilog/VHDL logic programmers or Digital Communications or real-time systems developers with an MSEE are in shortage; MSEE with specialty of Electric Power - ala PEPCO - is not in shortage).
Emphasis is IC Design, searching from West Coast but willing to relocate, getting nothing.
Aerospace Corp is actually trying to hire people like this. SpaceX also is doing a lot of IC design. Apple and Qualcomm are hiring them in San Diego. ARM also is hiring people like this, in many locations.
Qualcomm is in a freeze. Apple was a no. Some listings are just posturing.
It can’t be a hard freeze, because I know someone who just started there — working on radio IC design.
Looks clear - there is a bit of networking going on here. Companies are hiring but only if you are in the network.
Anonymous
07/25/2025 06:54
Subject: CS is dead
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you have a child who wants to study computer science please tell them to major in pure mathematics and minor in computer science instead. I am a machine learning engineer and makes $300k. Most machine learning positions are research positions where you need the ability to turn theoretical algorithms into a product. The courses I took in Abstract algebra, topology, differential geometry, and Real Analysis are extremely useful.
Unfortunately, math majors are a rare bread. And the reason is that math departments do a very poor jobs highlighting the diverse careers of their pure math graduates. I think pure mathematics is the best major.
why not minor in ML? https://ml.cmu.edu/academics/minor-in-machine-learning
And most ML I've seen looks more Statistics than Math - which ML are you doing?
Statistics is just linear algebra and real analysis applied to certain questions; mix with a bit of probability theory. This is nothing outside of the scope of a pure math major.
I'm sure Stats boils down to Math; Math is probably the most universal subject and CS is the second most; I can see Operations Research as a more practical major and palatable to CS majors. Or double major in one of the Engineerings - I heard a MS in EE has done more math than a BS in Math granted different Math topics and no proofs.
An MS in EE has done more math problems, than a bottom of the barrel math major. Regardless, I know someone who completed an MS in EE at a top school last spring and is still unemployed. Had a great internship last summer but that company is in a freeze. Everything is bad right now.
Tech companies in metro DC are actively hiring EEs. Lots of such jobs exist now along the Silver Line and some also exist along I-270 corridor.
Most jobs are looking for specific skills (e.g., Verilog/VHDL logic programmers or Digital Communications or real-time systems developers with an MSEE are in shortage; MSEE with specialty of Electric Power - ala PEPCO - is not in shortage).
Emphasis is IC Design, searching from West Coast but willing to relocate, getting nothing.
Aerospace Corp is actually trying to hire people like this. SpaceX also is doing a lot of IC design. Apple and Qualcomm are hiring them in San Diego. ARM also is hiring people like this, in many locations.
Qualcomm is in a freeze. Apple was a no. Some listings are just posturing.
It can’t be a hard freeze, because I know someone who just started there — working on radio IC design.
Anonymous
07/25/2025 02:46
Subject: CS is dead
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you have a child who wants to study computer science please tell them to major in pure mathematics and minor in computer science instead. I am a machine learning engineer and makes $300k. Most machine learning positions are research positions where you need the ability to turn theoretical algorithms into a product. The courses I took in Abstract algebra, topology, differential geometry, and Real Analysis are extremely useful.
Unfortunately, math majors are a rare bread. And the reason is that math departments do a very poor jobs highlighting the diverse careers of their pure math graduates. I think pure mathematics is the best major.
why not minor in ML? https://ml.cmu.edu/academics/minor-in-machine-learning
And most ML I've seen looks more Statistics than Math - which ML are you doing?
Statistics is just linear algebra and real analysis applied to certain questions; mix with a bit of probability theory. This is nothing outside of the scope of a pure math major.
I'm sure Stats boils down to Math; Math is probably the most universal subject and CS is the second most; I can see Operations Research as a more practical major and palatable to CS majors. Or double major in one of the Engineerings - I heard a MS in EE has done more math than a BS in Math granted different Math topics and no proofs.
An MS in EE has done more math problems, than a bottom of the barrel math major. Regardless, I know someone who completed an MS in EE at a top school last spring and is still unemployed. Had a great internship last summer but that company is in a freeze. Everything is bad right now.
Tech companies in metro DC are actively hiring EEs. Lots of such jobs exist now along the Silver Line and some also exist along I-270 corridor.
Most jobs are looking for specific skills (e.g., Verilog/VHDL logic programmers or Digital Communications or real-time systems developers with an MSEE are in shortage; MSEE with specialty of Electric Power - ala PEPCO - is not in shortage).
Emphasis is IC Design, searching from West Coast but willing to relocate, getting nothing.
Aerospace Corp is actually trying to hire people like this. SpaceX also is doing a lot of IC design. Apple and Qualcomm are hiring them in San Diego. ARM also is hiring people like this, in many locations.
Qualcomm is in a freeze. Apple was a no. Some listings are just posturing.
Anonymous
07/24/2025 19:33
Subject: CS is dead
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you have a child who wants to study computer science please tell them to major in pure mathematics and minor in computer science instead. I am a machine learning engineer and makes $300k. Most machine learning positions are research positions where you need the ability to turn theoretical algorithms into a product. The courses I took in Abstract algebra, topology, differential geometry, and Real Analysis are extremely useful.
Unfortunately, math majors are a rare bread. And the reason is that math departments do a very poor jobs highlighting the diverse careers of their pure math graduates. I think pure mathematics is the best major.
why not minor in ML? https://ml.cmu.edu/academics/minor-in-machine-learning
And most ML I've seen looks more Statistics than Math - which ML are you doing?
Statistics is just linear algebra and real analysis applied to certain questions; mix with a bit of probability theory. This is nothing outside of the scope of a pure math major.
I'm sure Stats boils down to Math; Math is probably the most universal subject and CS is the second most; I can see Operations Research as a more practical major and palatable to CS majors. Or double major in one of the Engineerings - I heard a MS in EE has done more math than a BS in Math granted different Math topics and no proofs.
An MS in EE has done more math problems, than a bottom of the barrel math major. Regardless, I know someone who completed an MS in EE at a top school last spring and is still unemployed. Had a great internship last summer but that company is in a freeze. Everything is bad right now.
Tech companies in metro DC are actively hiring EEs. Lots of such jobs exist now along the Silver Line and some also exist along I-270 corridor.
Most jobs are looking for specific skills (e.g., Verilog/VHDL logic programmers or Digital Communications or real-time systems developers with an MSEE are in shortage; MSEE with specialty of Electric Power - ala PEPCO - is not in shortage).
Emphasis is IC Design, searching from West Coast but willing to relocate, getting nothing.
Aerospace Corp is actually trying to hire people like this. SpaceX also is doing a lot of IC design. Apple and Qualcomm are hiring them in San Diego. ARM also is hiring people like this, in many locations.
Anonymous
07/24/2025 19:29
Subject: CS is dead
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you have a child who wants to study computer science please tell them to major in pure mathematics and minor in computer science instead. I am a machine learning engineer and makes $300k. Most machine learning positions are research positions where you need the ability to turn theoretical algorithms into a product. The courses I took in Abstract algebra, topology, differential geometry, and Real Analysis are extremely useful.
Unfortunately, math majors are a rare bread. And the reason is that math departments do a very poor jobs highlighting the diverse careers of their pure math graduates. I think pure mathematics is the best major.
why not minor in ML? https://ml.cmu.edu/academics/minor-in-machine-learning
And most ML I've seen looks more Statistics than Math - which ML are you doing?
Statistics is just linear algebra and real analysis applied to certain questions; mix with a bit of probability theory. This is nothing outside of the scope of a pure math major.
I'm sure Stats boils down to Math; Math is probably the most universal subject and CS is the second most; I can see Operations Research as a more practical major and palatable to CS majors. Or double major in one of the Engineerings - I heard a MS in EE has done more math than a BS in Math granted different Math topics and no proofs.
An MS in EE has done more math problems, than a bottom of the barrel math major. Regardless, I know someone who completed an MS in EE at a top school last spring and is still unemployed. Had a great internship last summer but that company is in a freeze. Everything is bad right now.
Tech companies in metro DC are actively hiring EEs. Lots of such jobs exist now along the Silver Line and some also exist along I-270 corridor.
Most jobs are looking for specific skills (e.g., Verilog/VHDL logic programmers or Digital Communications or real-time systems developers with an MSEE are in shortage; MSEE with specialty of Electric Power - ala PEPCO - is not in shortage).
Emphasis is IC Design, searching from West Coast but willing to relocate, getting nothing.
Lots of jobs posted on tech company websites CS (and yes EE for IC design also).
Which perhaps speaks to the difference between job listing and interviews/offers. Perhaps another impact of AI, but the response rate on applications is abysmal. I'm not directly involved, just know sending applications has been treated like a full time job, only a handful of interviews. Top grades, top program. Same family has a recent CS grad with no prospects, though he is less ambitious. My DC will graduate next year with a math degree, which is why this has my attention.
I agree that AI is making it much harder for qualified candidates to have their resumes seen by a hiring manager.
Practical result is that one needs to have, build, and maintain a professional network. This disadvantages introverts, sad to say, and favors extroverts.
And new grads need to reach beyond on-campus recruiting to build relationships with faculty (many of whom will have non-academic contacts). My own first job from college was due to a professor sending my resume to a contact at a commercial firm. He did that because he saw I was diligent in my school work.
Anonymous
07/24/2025 16:06
Subject: CS is dead
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you have a child who wants to study computer science please tell them to major in pure mathematics and minor in computer science instead. I am a machine learning engineer and makes $300k. Most machine learning positions are research positions where you need the ability to turn theoretical algorithms into a product. The courses I took in Abstract algebra, topology, differential geometry, and Real Analysis are extremely useful.
Unfortunately, math majors are a rare bread. And the reason is that math departments do a very poor jobs highlighting the diverse careers of their pure math graduates. I think pure mathematics is the best major.
why not minor in ML? https://ml.cmu.edu/academics/minor-in-machine-learning
And most ML I've seen looks more Statistics than Math - which ML are you doing?
Statistics is just linear algebra and real analysis applied to certain questions; mix with a bit of probability theory. This is nothing outside of the scope of a pure math major.
I'm sure Stats boils down to Math; Math is probably the most universal subject and CS is the second most; I can see Operations Research as a more practical major and palatable to CS majors. Or double major in one of the Engineerings - I heard a MS in EE has done more math than a BS in Math granted different Math topics and no proofs.
An MS in EE has done more math problems, than a bottom of the barrel math major. Regardless, I know someone who completed an MS in EE at a top school last spring and is still unemployed. Had a great internship last summer but that company is in a freeze. Everything is bad right now.
Tech companies in metro DC are actively hiring EEs. Lots of such jobs exist now along the Silver Line and some also exist along I-270 corridor.
Most jobs are looking for specific skills (e.g., Verilog/VHDL logic programmers or Digital Communications or real-time systems developers with an MSEE are in shortage; MSEE with specialty of Electric Power - ala PEPCO - is not in shortage).
Emphasis is IC Design, searching from West Coast but willing to relocate, getting nothing.
Lots of jobs posted on tech company websites CS (and yes EE for IC design also).
Which perhaps speaks to the difference between job listing and interviews/offers. Perhaps another impact of AI, but the response rate on applications is abysmal. I'm not directly involved, just know sending applications has been treated like a full time job, only a handful of interviews. Top grades, top program. Same family has a recent CS grad with no prospects, though he is less ambitious. My DC will graduate next year with a math degree, which is why this has my attention.
Anonymous
07/24/2025 14:19
Subject: CS is dead
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you have a child who wants to study computer science please tell them to major in pure mathematics and minor in computer science instead. I am a machine learning engineer and makes $300k. Most machine learning positions are research positions where you need the ability to turn theoretical algorithms into a product. The courses I took in Abstract algebra, topology, differential geometry, and Real Analysis are extremely useful.
Unfortunately, math majors are a rare bread. And the reason is that math departments do a very poor jobs highlighting the diverse careers of their pure math graduates. I think pure mathematics is the best major.
why not minor in ML? https://ml.cmu.edu/academics/minor-in-machine-learning
And most ML I've seen looks more Statistics than Math - which ML are you doing?
Statistics is just linear algebra and real analysis applied to certain questions; mix with a bit of probability theory. This is nothing outside of the scope of a pure math major.
I'm sure Stats boils down to Math; Math is probably the most universal subject and CS is the second most; I can see Operations Research as a more practical major and palatable to CS majors. Or double major in one of the Engineerings - I heard a MS in EE has done more math than a BS in Math granted different Math topics and no proofs.
An MS in EE has done more math problems, than a bottom of the barrel math major. Regardless, I know someone who completed an MS in EE at a top school last spring and is still unemployed. Had a great internship last summer but that company is in a freeze. Everything is bad right now.
Tech companies in metro DC are actively hiring EEs. Lots of such jobs exist now along the Silver Line and some also exist along I-270 corridor.
Most jobs are looking for specific skills (e.g., Verilog/VHDL logic programmers or Digital Communications or real-time systems developers with an MSEE are in shortage; MSEE with specialty of Electric Power - ala PEPCO - is not in shortage).
Emphasis is IC Design, searching from West Coast but willing to relocate, getting nothing.
Lots of jobs posted on tech company websites CS (and yes EE for IC design also).
Anonymous
07/24/2025 12:16
Subject: CS is dead
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you have a child who wants to study computer science please tell them to major in pure mathematics and minor in computer science instead. I am a machine learning engineer and makes $300k. Most machine learning positions are research positions where you need the ability to turn theoretical algorithms into a product. The courses I took in Abstract algebra, topology, differential geometry, and Real Analysis are extremely useful.
Unfortunately, math majors are a rare bread. And the reason is that math departments do a very poor jobs highlighting the diverse careers of their pure math graduates. I think pure mathematics is the best major.
why not minor in ML? https://ml.cmu.edu/academics/minor-in-machine-learning
And most ML I've seen looks more Statistics than Math - which ML are you doing?
Statistics is just linear algebra and real analysis applied to certain questions; mix with a bit of probability theory. This is nothing outside of the scope of a pure math major.
I'm sure Stats boils down to Math; Math is probably the most universal subject and CS is the second most; I can see Operations Research as a more practical major and palatable to CS majors. Or double major in one of the Engineerings - I heard a MS in EE has done more math than a BS in Math granted different Math topics and no proofs.
An MS in EE has done more math problems, than a bottom of the barrel math major. Regardless, I know someone who completed an MS in EE at a top school last spring and is still unemployed. Had a great internship last summer but that company is in a freeze. Everything is bad right now.
Tech companies in metro DC are actively hiring EEs. Lots of such jobs exist now along the Silver Line and some also exist along I-270 corridor.
Most jobs are looking for specific skills (e.g., Verilog/VHDL logic programmers or Digital Communications or real-time systems developers with an MSEE are in shortage; MSEE with specialty of Electric Power - ala PEPCO - is not in shortage).
Emphasis is IC Design, searching from West Coast but willing to relocate, getting nothing.
Anonymous
07/24/2025 11:09
Subject: CS is dead
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you have a child who wants to study computer science please tell them to major in pure mathematics and minor in computer science instead. I am a machine learning engineer and makes $300k. Most machine learning positions are research positions where you need the ability to turn theoretical algorithms into a product. The courses I took in Abstract algebra, topology, differential geometry, and Real Analysis are extremely useful.
Unfortunately, math majors are a rare bread. And the reason is that math departments do a very poor jobs highlighting the diverse careers of their pure math graduates. I think pure mathematics is the best major.
why not minor in ML? https://ml.cmu.edu/academics/minor-in-machine-learning
And most ML I've seen looks more Statistics than Math - which ML are you doing?
Statistics is just linear algebra and real analysis applied to certain questions; mix with a bit of probability theory. This is nothing outside of the scope of a pure math major.
I'm sure Stats boils down to Math; Math is probably the most universal subject and CS is the second most; I can see Operations Research as a more practical major and palatable to CS majors. Or double major in one of the Engineerings - I heard a MS in EE has done more math than a BS in Math granted different Math topics and no proofs.
An MS in EE has done more math problems, than a bottom of the barrel math major. Regardless, I know someone who completed an MS in EE at a top school last spring and is still unemployed. Had a great internship last summer but that company is in a freeze. Everything is bad right now.
Tech companies in metro DC are actively hiring EEs. Lots of such jobs exist now along the Silver Line and some also exist along I-270 corridor.
Most jobs are looking for specific skills (e.g., Verilog/VHDL logic programmers or Digital Communications or real-time systems developers with an MSEE are in shortage; MSEE with specialty of Electric Power - ala PEPCO - is not in shortage).
Great.
Start a separate EE thread.
Anonymous
07/24/2025 11:04
Subject: CS is dead
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you have a child who wants to study computer science please tell them to major in pure mathematics and minor in computer science instead. I am a machine learning engineer and makes $300k. Most machine learning positions are research positions where you need the ability to turn theoretical algorithms into a product. The courses I took in Abstract algebra, topology, differential geometry, and Real Analysis are extremely useful.
Unfortunately, math majors are a rare bread. And the reason is that math departments do a very poor jobs highlighting the diverse careers of their pure math graduates. I think pure mathematics is the best major.
why not minor in ML? https://ml.cmu.edu/academics/minor-in-machine-learning
And most ML I've seen looks more Statistics than Math - which ML are you doing?
Statistics is just linear algebra and real analysis applied to certain questions; mix with a bit of probability theory. This is nothing outside of the scope of a pure math major.
I'm sure Stats boils down to Math; Math is probably the most universal subject and CS is the second most; I can see Operations Research as a more practical major and palatable to CS majors. Or double major in one of the Engineerings - I heard a MS in EE has done more math than a BS in Math granted different Math topics and no proofs.
An MS in EE has done more math problems, than a bottom of the barrel math major. Regardless, I know someone who completed an MS in EE at a top school last spring and is still unemployed. Had a great internship last summer but that company is in a freeze. Everything is bad right now.
Tech companies in metro DC are actively hiring EEs. Lots of such jobs exist now along the Silver Line and some also exist along I-270 corridor.
Most jobs are looking for specific skills (e.g., Verilog/VHDL logic programmers or Digital Communications or real-time systems developers with an MSEE are in shortage; MSEE with specialty of Electric Power - ala PEPCO - is not in shortage).
Anonymous
07/24/2025 10:55
Subject: CS is dead
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you have a child who wants to study computer science please tell them to major in pure mathematics and minor in computer science instead. I am a machine learning engineer and makes $300k. Most machine learning positions are research positions where you need the ability to turn theoretical algorithms into a product. The courses I took in Abstract algebra, topology, differential geometry, and Real Analysis are extremely useful.
Unfortunately, math majors are a rare bread. And the reason is that math departments do a very poor jobs highlighting the diverse careers of their pure math graduates. I think pure mathematics is the best major.
why not minor in ML? https://ml.cmu.edu/academics/minor-in-machine-learning
And most ML I've seen looks more Statistics than Math - which ML are you doing?
Statistics is just linear algebra and real analysis applied to certain questions; mix with a bit of probability theory. This is nothing outside of the scope of a pure math major.
I'm sure Stats boils down to Math; Math is probably the most universal subject and CS is the second most; I can see Operations Research as a more practical major and palatable to CS majors. Or double major in one of the Engineerings - I heard a MS in EE has done more math than a BS in Math granted different Math topics and no proofs.
An MS in EE has done more math problems, than a bottom of the barrel math major. Regardless, I know someone who completed an MS in EE at a top school last spring and is still unemployed. Had a great internship last summer but that company is in a freeze. Everything is bad right now.
Anonymous
07/24/2025 08:37
Subject: CS is dead
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you have a child who wants to study computer science please tell them to major in pure mathematics and minor in computer science instead. I am a machine learning engineer and makes $300k. Most machine learning positions are research positions where you need the ability to turn theoretical algorithms into a product. The courses I took in Abstract algebra, topology, differential geometry, and Real Analysis are extremely useful.
Unfortunately, math majors are a rare bread. And the reason is that math departments do a very poor jobs highlighting the diverse careers of their pure math graduates. I think pure mathematics is the best major.
why not minor in ML? https://ml.cmu.edu/academics/minor-in-machine-learning
And most ML I've seen looks more Statistics than Math - which ML are you doing?
Statistics is just linear algebra and real analysis applied to certain questions; mix with a bit of probability theory. This is nothing outside of the scope of a pure math major.
I'm sure Stats boils down to Math; Math is probably the most universal subject and CS is the second most; I can see Operations Research as a more practical major and palatable to CS majors. Or double major in one of the Engineerings - I heard a MS in EE has done more math than a BS in Math granted different Math topics and no proofs.