Anonymous
Post 07/03/2025 20:56     Subject: How will the “big bill” affect you?
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Anonymous wrote:Consider that the cuts to Medicaid will lead to increased healthcare costs and/or lack of healthcare facilities for everyone. Do you want to live in a country with a class of people who don’t get healthcare? It’s disgusting.


Reverting to a work requirement of 20 hours per week for healthy non pregnamt adults is not an unreasonable burden.


Not sure why pregnant individuals shouldn't have a work requirement
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2025 20:26     Subject: How will the “big bill” affect you?
Anonymous wrote:Why are you all wasting your time debating MAGA ghouls? They don’t care! The cruelty is literally the point. They are morally bankrupt, don’t waste your breath. Many call themselves Christians lol


This.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2025 20:25     Subject: How will the “big bill” affect you?
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Anonymous wrote:Consider that the cuts to Medicaid will lead to increased healthcare costs and/or lack of healthcare facilities for everyone. Do you want to live in a country with a class of people who don’t get healthcare? It’s disgusting.


Reverting to a work requirement of 20 hours per week for healthy non pregnamt adults is not an unreasonable burden.


Except the vast majority on Medicaid programs are kids, elderly and disabled---people who cannot work.


Also, where are these 20 hour a week jobs? They aren't in every state. I know people who have been looking for months and not found something.

Also the requirement to constantly reapply will bog everything down is massive papework.

It will be a crapshow of amazing proportions.



My kid just got a 20-hour a week job yesterday as a cashier. He applied to three places, interviewed at two, and got a job - all within biking distance of our house- with zero work experience and with a 16 year old male’s executive function capabilities.

I’m not saying that all the people who need to meet these requirements will have the same experience but it’s not an impossible thing.

I agree that the requirement to constantly reapply will be a crapshow of amazing proportions.


Most non child, non elderly people on medicaid DO ACTUALLY HAVE JOBS

https://www.kff.org/medicaid/issue-brief/understanding-the-intersection-of-medicaid-and-work-an-update/



+1000 guys most people who aren’t children and aren’t elderly and are on Medicaid already have jobs. That is what the data says!

Please know all of this is to make you continue on with the narrative that people are somehow abusing this system (when the data doesn’t support that) so we need to make it harder on them when really, it just makes it harder on them (when they were already working in the first place) so they lose coverage which then makes them less healthy and guess what everyone - WE ALL PAY. Which by the way, isn’t the most important part but if that is what you care about I will say it again, we all end up paying way more for then just actually making sure people can access some basic dang healthcare while getting paid minimum wage and not making them jump through 1500 hoops every 3 months to do it.

Ideally you would also care that the person not lose their healthcare not just because you might ultimately pay for it but because it means others suffer. Children, humans, your neighbors. People who serve you, clean you cars, wipe down your tables and clean the bits of foods your kids drop after you eat at restaurants, wash your dishes at those restaurants. Check you out at CVS. Then go home and make their kid dinner. They are people just like you.


Yup! Most don't seem to understand that we all pay if people don't have decent, affordable healthcare. If it's $200 to go to Urgent care, they don't. they wait until extremely sick and go to the ER and what could have been an UC visit and an antibiotic prescription is now 3-4 days in the hospital with pneumonia or worse. And they still cannot pay for that $30K+ hospital bill, so now who pays? We all do over time as prices are increased to cover those who cannot pay. It's been that way for decades.
We need Universal Healthcare for everyone, with the options to purchase more care if you desire.


Need to amend the bill to keep people without insurance out of the ER.


Doctors can’t refuse care, it’s an oath.


False. Hospital emergency rooms cannot refuse emergency care, by law. No other health provider is required to provide any type of care to anyone.


Exactly. You can’t compel me as a healthcare worker to provide care. You can fire me for not doing so I suppose. But you can’t force anyone to work against their will. There’s a word for that.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2025 20:23     Subject: How will the “big bill” affect you?
A co-worker has a daughter with severe special needs. She has 8 specialists. It's a constant battle to keep her safe and alive.

If it’s a constant battle, is keeping her alive doing more harm than good?

You should be banned. Feeling emboldened now, but wishing you your own personal battle in the near future.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2025 20:22     Subject: How will the “big bill” affect you?
Why are you all wasting your time debating MAGA ghouls? They don’t care! The cruelty is literally the point. They are morally bankrupt, don’t waste your breath. Many call themselves Christians lol
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2025 20:22     Subject: How will the “big bill” affect you?
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Anonymous wrote:Consider that the cuts to Medicaid will lead to increased healthcare costs and/or lack of healthcare facilities for everyone. Do you want to live in a country with a class of people who don’t get healthcare? It’s disgusting.


Reverting to a work requirement of 20 hours per week for healthy non pregnamt adults is not an unreasonable burden.


Except the vast majority on Medicaid programs are kids, elderly and disabled---people who cannot work.


Also, where are these 20 hour a week jobs? They aren't in every state. I know people who have been looking for months and not found something.

Also the requirement to constantly reapply will bog everything down is massive papework.

It will be a crapshow of amazing proportions.



My kid just got a 20-hour a week job yesterday as a cashier. He applied to three places, interviewed at two, and got a job - all within biking distance of our house- with zero work experience and with a 16 year old male’s executive function capabilities.

I’m not saying that all the people who need to meet these requirements will have the same experience but it’s not an impossible thing.

I agree that the requirement to constantly reapply will be a crapshow of amazing proportions.


Most non child, non elderly people on medicaid DO ACTUALLY HAVE JOBS

https://www.kff.org/medicaid/issue-brief/understanding-the-intersection-of-medicaid-and-work-an-update/



+1000 guys most people who aren’t children and aren’t elderly and are on Medicaid already have jobs. That is what the data says!

Please know all of this is to make you continue on with the narrative that people are somehow abusing this system (when the data doesn’t support that) so we need to make it harder on them when really, it just makes it harder on them (when they were already working in the first place) so they lose coverage which then makes them less healthy and guess what everyone - WE ALL PAY. Which by the way, isn’t the most important part but if that is what you care about I will say it again, we all end up paying way more for then just actually making sure people can access some basic dang healthcare while getting paid minimum wage and not making them jump through 1500 hoops every 3 months to do it.

Ideally you would also care that the person not lose their healthcare not just because you might ultimately pay for it but because it means others suffer. Children, humans, your neighbors. People who serve you, clean you cars, wipe down your tables and clean the bits of foods your kids drop after you eat at restaurants, wash your dishes at those restaurants. Check you out at CVS. Then go home and make their kid dinner. They are people just like you.


Yup! Most don't seem to understand that we all pay if people don't have decent, affordable healthcare. If it's $200 to go to Urgent care, they don't. they wait until extremely sick and go to the ER and what could have been an UC visit and an antibiotic prescription is now 3-4 days in the hospital with pneumonia or worse. And they still cannot pay for that $30K+ hospital bill, so now who pays? We all do over time as prices are increased to cover those who cannot pay. It's been that way for decades.
We need Universal Healthcare for everyone, with the options to purchase more care if you desire.


Need to amend the bill to keep people without insurance out of the ER.


Doctors can’t refuse care, it’s an oath.


False. Hospital emergency rooms cannot refuse emergency care, by law. No other health provider is required to provide any type of care to anyone.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2025 20:15     Subject: How will the “big bill” affect you?
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Anonymous wrote:We will get a large tax cut we don't need and didn't vote for. People will suffer because of it, and that hurts all of us.


Feel free to send a check to Uncle Sam to assuage your guilt. It's an unconditional gift.

There are two ways for you to make a contribution to reduce the debt:


At Pay.gov, you can contribute online by credit card, debit card, PayPal, checking account, or savings account.
You can write a check payable to the Bureau of the Fiscal Service, and, in the memo section, notate that it's a gift to reduce the debt held by the public. Mail your check to:
Attn Dept G
Bureau of the Fiscal Service
P. O. Box 2188
Parkersburg, WV 26106-2188

dp.. if everyone did that, it would work. But, if only a handful do that, it doesn't work. That's why we have required taxes and not just "pay if you want" policies.


Ah isn’t that the irony. It only works when you force people to pay.

But go ahead. There seem to be a lot on DCUM who are mourning their tax cuts. I think you should be the first to step up. Surely everyone else will follow along with your virtue signaling.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2025 20:13     Subject: How will the “big bill” affect you?
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Anonymous wrote:Consider that the cuts to Medicaid will lead to increased healthcare costs and/or lack of healthcare facilities for everyone. Do you want to live in a country with a class of people who don’t get healthcare? It’s disgusting.


Reverting to a work requirement of 20 hours per week for healthy non pregnamt adults is not an unreasonable burden.


Except the vast majority on Medicaid programs are kids, elderly and disabled---people who cannot work.


And, the way this it will be implemented is to ACTUALLY make the paperwork so difficult that people who DO QUALIFY are not able to get through the red tape and are kicked off. Someone who is working multiple minimum wage jobs or is elderly or impaired in some way and may not have easy access to the internet, the hours required to complete the paperwork, or the days to wait on hold to get help doing the paperwork EVERY MONTH in order to continue to qualify even though they do.

Link to LAST WEEK TONIGHT that helps explain the problem with the requirements.


I have no issue with this and neither do most Americans. Think of all the BS you deal with monthly to hold a job and earn health insurance. Any able bodied adult SHOULD need to reapply frequently. There’s a similar requirement when you’re on unemployment. The goal shouldn’t be for people to stay on Medicaid for life.





I don't have to deal with any monthly BS to hold my job and keep my health insurance. What in the world are you talking about?
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2025 20:09     Subject: How will the “big bill” affect you?
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Anonymous wrote:My autistic sibling who can't work is on Medicaid and so I'm very worried about that.


Your autistic sibling will not be required to work as they are not an able bodied person


Forcing people to jump through additional hoops to prove they aren't able-bodied can actually be quite burdensome, and often results in qualified people losing benefits.


Well here we go. An autistic person is able bodied, and probably healthy. And yet many will be unable to work. That includes many other disabilities. You really have to be familiar with kinds of disabilities to understand how this bill will negatively impact people.


Sorry, I did not mean to use inaccurate or inappropriate descriptors. I agree with you 100%, except I don't think one needs any particular knowledge to understand. I think what they need is a bit of imagination and some empathy--two things sorely lacking in our society today.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2025 20:06     Subject: How will the “big bill” affect you?
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Anonymous wrote:I'm a medical social worker and I welcome any of you who think medicaid should be less accessible to come meet my clients and tell them that to their face. Let's start with the mom of a 6 year old with a rare genetic disease (which requires constant care) who has gone absolutely bankrupt to qualify and is now living in absolute agony wondering if it will get ripped away and her child will suffer and with absolutely no exaggeration...die. You would like this family, hard working, middle class, good people who are suffering because as PP says...healthcare is not a human right.


This is a sad story, but the child will not lose Medicaid. The hysterics don’t help your argument. Also the mom should have a job assuming the six year old is in some sort of school and assistance is being provided by the state. Not really sure what the issue is here.


Difficult to have a job and keep a job when you require a high level of flexibility due to a high special needs kid/high medical needs kid. If they are ill, they cannot attend school, so someone has to be at home with them---try doing that 4-5 days per month and keeping your job.



My DS had a chronic illness as a child that caused him to miss 40 days of school one year. Luckily, my child has two parents and my job allowed me flexibility to work at home and in the office at odd hours and on weekends. (Often, when my DH got home from work at 5PM, I would head to office and work until 10 or 11.) Few lower income people have such jobs. When their kids have needs like this, it is almost impossible for them to hold down a regular job.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2025 20:04     Subject: How will the “big bill” affect you?
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Anonymous wrote:My autistic sibling who can't work is on Medicaid and so I'm very worried about that.


Your autistic sibling will not be required to work as they are not an able bodied person


Forcing people to jump through additional hoops to prove they aren't able-bodied can actually be quite burdensome, and often results in qualified people losing benefits.


Well here we go. An autistic person is able bodied, and probably healthy. And yet many will be unable to work. That includes many other disabilities. You really have to be familiar with kinds of disabilities to understand how this bill will negatively impact people.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2025 19:54     Subject: Re:How will the “big bill” affect you?
Ironically the states (and district) that will benefit most from the higher SALT deduction are DC, Maryland, and California. So they just gave a huge handout to all of us democrats. I hope Trump country is happy.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2025 19:53     Subject: How will the “big bill” affect you?
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:My autistic sibling who can't work is on Medicaid and so I'm very worried about that.


Your autistic sibling will not be required to work as they are not an able bodied person


Forcing people to jump through additional hoops to prove they aren't able-bodied can actually be quite burdensome, and often results in qualified people losing benefits.
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2025 19:42     Subject: How will the “big bill” affect you?
Anonymous wrote:My autistic sibling who can't work is on Medicaid and so I'm very worried about that.

How does this bill define disability and who has to work to receive $$? I work in a field that assists many disabled adults in group homes. Medicaid and SSi pays for a lot of this- aides, specialty medical items, and health care. No, they cannot go to work. Many are developmentally and cognitively impaired in so many ways. They are 21 to age 75. What will happen to them?
Anonymous
Post 07/03/2025 19:10     Subject: How will the “big bill” affect you?
A nice tax cut, on the backs of people losing Medicaid. Very Republican, almost cartoonishly so.