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Anonymous wrote:“"He's expected to be OK," Newkirk said. "He's just fighting. We just want prayers for him. Just keep praying for him. He's here now."
She's now preparing to say goodbye to her daughter. Newkirk said the hospital will take Smith off of life support Tuesday.
"It's kind of hard, you know," she said tearfully. "It's hard to process."
She wishes she had more time“”

https://www.11alive.com/article/news/health/adriana-smith-baby-born-life-support-update-brain-dead-nicu/85-1fb6595c-3966-4a50-993d-0e36e05cb256

I feel so sorry for this poor woman. If she had been cared for correctly and received better medical care, she could be here with her children.

It’s amazing the Chance is going to be ok!

You cannot honestly believe that a one-pound baby is okay.

The lowest birth weight baby to survive is believed to be a girl born in Germany in 2016. She weighed just 230 grams (8.1 ounces) at birth.

Other notable cases include:
A boy born in Japan in 2019 who weighed 268 grams (9.45 ounces).

A girl born in the United States in 2018 who weighed 245 grams (8.6 ounces).

A boy born in Singapore in 2020 who weighed 230 grams (8.1 ounces).

Anonymous wrote:Who will pay for the services to keep the mother in a state to support the pregnancy?

Who will pay for the services the child will need in the NICU?

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Anonymous wrote:The experience that most cemented my pro choice view was a clinical rotation in pediatric long term ventilator ward with children sustained on vents for years with brain damage, just laying in a bed due to congenital abnormality, eyes staring, getting suctioned through their trachs all day.

Children do not spend years in vent wards.

They are discharged home. They receive vent support at home.

You don’t get to remove other people’s children from life support.

Unless you want to be one of those “angel of death” medical professionals who kill their patients to “end their suffering.”

Those people are jailed because they are psychopaths masquerading as medical professionals.

Usually at home, but yes there are some places that provide permanent long term care for children. Hospital for Sick Children in DC is one. Not sure why you think you are an expert on chronic vent patient care? Have you, personally, cared for these patients?

And I was not advocating for removing them, but cemented for me my own choice if pregnant with a child with a major medical condition facing a life like that if I continued with the pregnancy. Do you believe I should he allowed that choice?

I also have provided care for other adult chronic vent patients. There are long term care hospitals in the area where these patients reside like both Bridgepoint locations or Cadia Hyattsville. Sometimes this makes sense and sometimes we sustain people literally because the family cannot let go. This is why most healthcare workers would not choose excessive intervention, because they have seen the ramifications up close. The Pitt is a show that does a good job displaying a family going through the decision to let a loved one die vs attempt futile intervention in hope of a miracle.

Anyway, if this is what the family wanted, great, but if not, I take it you believe they should not have had a choice? That is the biggest question here, not the specifics of this case, but whether a family is allowed to choose.

[/b]Each family should have a choice.

Chance is not a chronic vent patient.

Why do you think your experience with chronic vent patients should be relevant to his personal medical treatment?

What do you think about the people here who posted that Chance was blind, would never be able to walk, has severe disabilities, etc, without knowing the actual truth about him?

They would not have access to Chance’s medical records. But they still pretended they knew his condition.

Why would strangers lie about an unborn baby?

Great, the bolded is all that matters and can stop debating

[b]Adriana Smith’s baby is “doing better,” her mother said, in follow-up to 11Alive’s report

On Monday, Newkirk shared that her unborn grandson — whom the family has named Chance — is continuing to grow.

“The baby is actually doing better than the last time I met with the doctors,” she said.

Newkirk explained Smith is receiving steroids and nutrition through a PICC line. She added that baby Chance's heartbeat is strong and that he's measuring slightly above average in weight for his gestational age.

“He has his toes, arms, limbs — everything is forming,” she said. “We're just hoping he makes it.”

Great. The only point relevant here is that the family is allowed to choose. The end.

Then why were dcum posts insisting this baby was blind and disabled and would never live or lead a life of any kind?

People can search back and see all the sick lies told about this child.

A lot of people on this thread want the baby to die, so they can win the argument.

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Anonymous wrote:“"He's expected to be OK," Newkirk said. "He's just fighting. We just want prayers for him. Just keep praying for him. He's here now."
She's now preparing to say goodbye to her daughter. Newkirk said the hospital will take Smith off of life support Tuesday.
"It's kind of hard, you know," she said tearfully. "It's hard to process."
She wishes she had more time“”
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https://www.11alive.com/article/news/health/adriana-smith-baby-born-life-support-update-brain-dead-nicu/85-1fb6595c-3966-4a50-993d-0e36e05cb256

I feel so sorry for this poor woman. If she had been cared for correctly and received better medical care, she could be here with her children.

It’s amazing the Chance is going to be ok!

You cannot honestly believe that a one-pound baby is okay.

My mother sadly was diagnosed with cancer while my brother was in utero. After several miscarriages and still births, my Mom was determined to have this child. He arrived at 25 weeks gestation at 1# 4 oz. He struggled hard but pulled through and lived a life for 30 years. He was pretty healthy once he overcame the hole in his heart and lung growth restrictions.

This is a story about a mother deciding to have a child - her autonomy fully respected. Very different from the state forcing it.

And you are responding to a comment that is a response to the comment: “You cannot honestly believe that a one-pound baby is okay.” — with a comment supporting the possibility that at least some babies born at very low birth weights may survive and be “pretty healthy”. Not every comment in a conversation has to match the entire context of the original focus of the conversation.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is paying for this?

Georgia

Citation with reputable evidence necessary to substantiate your claim.

Are you a family member?

Georgia is a waiver state. That means all babies born with medical complications qualify for Medicaid regardless of the parents insurance status or income. NICU babies automatically qualify in GA and get the waiver.

Sure, as long as the US government pays for Medicaid. Which the Republicans don't want to do.

I pray for this woman's son, who had to watch his mom being kept alive to deliver a fetus.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is paying for this?

Georgia

Citation with reputable evidence necessary to substantiate your claim.

Are you a family member?

Georgia is a waiver state. That means all babies born with medical complications qualify for Medicaid regardless of the parents insurance status or income. NICU babies automatically qualify in GA and get the waiver.

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Anonymous wrote:Who is paying for this?

Georgia

Citation with reputable evidence necessary to substantiate your claim.

Are you a family member?

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Anonymous wrote:The experience that most cemented my pro choice view was a clinical rotation in pediatric long term ventilator ward with children sustained on vents for years with brain damage, just laying in a bed due to congenital abnormality, eyes staring, getting suctioned through their trachs all day.

Children do not spend years in vent wards.

They are discharged home. They receive vent support at home.

You don’t get to remove other people’s children from life support.

Unless you want to be one of those “angel of death” medical professionals who kill their patients to “end their suffering.”

Those people are jailed because they are psychopaths masquerading as medical professionals.

Usually at home, but yes there are some places that provide permanent long term care for children. Hospital for Sick Children in DC is one. Not sure why you think you are an expert on chronic vent patient care? Have you, personally, cared for these patients?

And I was not advocating for removing them, but cemented for me my own choice if pregnant with a child with a major medical condition facing a life like that if I continued with the pregnancy. Do you believe I should he allowed that choice?

I also have provided care for other adult chronic vent patients. There are long term care hospitals in the area where these patients reside like both Bridgepoint locations or Cadia Hyattsville. Sometimes this makes sense and sometimes we sustain people literally because the family cannot let go. This is why most healthcare workers would not choose excessive intervention, because they have seen the ramifications up close. The Pitt is a show that does a good job displaying a family going through the decision to let a loved one die vs attempt futile intervention in hope of a miracle.

Anyway, if this is what the family wanted, great, but if not, I take it you believe they should not have had a choice? That is the biggest question here, not the specifics of this case, but whether a family is allowed to choose.

[/b]Each family should have a choice.

Chance is not a chronic vent patient.

Why do you think your experience with chronic vent patients should be relevant to his personal medical treatment?

What do you think about the people here who posted that Chance was blind, would never be able to walk, has severe disabilities, etc, without knowing the actual truth about him?

They would not have access to Chance’s medical records. But they still pretended they knew his condition.

Why would strangers lie about an unborn baby?

Great, the bolded is all that matters and can stop debating

[b]Adriana Smith’s baby is “doing better,” her mother said, in follow-up to 11Alive’s report

On Monday, Newkirk shared that her unborn grandson — whom the family has named Chance — is continuing to grow.

“The baby is actually doing better than the last time I met with the doctors,” she said.

Newkirk explained Smith is receiving steroids and nutrition through a PICC line. She added that baby Chance's heartbeat is strong and that he's measuring slightly above average in weight for his gestational age.

“He has his toes, arms, limbs — everything is forming,” she said. “We're just hoping he makes it.”

Great. The only point relevant here is that the family is allowed to choose. The end.

Then why were dcum posts insisting this baby was blind and disabled and would never live or lead a life of any kind?

People can search back and see all the sick lies told about this child.

A lot of people on this thread want the baby to die, so they can win the argument.

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Anonymous wrote:The experience that most cemented my pro choice view was a clinical rotation in pediatric long term ventilator ward with children sustained on vents for years with brain damage, just laying in a bed due to congenital abnormality, eyes staring, getting suctioned through their trachs all day.

Children do not spend years in vent wards.

They are discharged home. They receive vent support at home.

You don’t get to remove other people’s children from life support.

Unless you want to be one of those “angel of death” medical professionals who kill their patients to “end their suffering.”

Those people are jailed because they are psychopaths masquerading as medical professionals.

Usually at home, but yes there are some places that provide permanent long term care for children. Hospital for Sick Children in DC is one. Not sure why you think you are an expert on chronic vent patient care? Have you, personally, cared for these patients?

And I was not advocating for removing them, but cemented for me my own choice if pregnant with a child with a major medical condition facing a life like that if I continued with the pregnancy. Do you believe I should he allowed that choice?

I also have provided care for other adult chronic vent patients. There are long term care hospitals in the area where these patients reside like both Bridgepoint locations or Cadia Hyattsville. Sometimes this makes sense and sometimes we sustain people literally because the family cannot let go. This is why most healthcare workers would not choose excessive intervention, because they have seen the ramifications up close. The Pitt is a show that does a good job displaying a family going through the decision to let a loved one die vs attempt futile intervention in hope of a miracle.

Anyway, if this is what the family wanted, great, but if not, I take it you believe they should not have had a choice? That is the biggest question here, not the specifics of this case, but whether a family is allowed to choose.

[/b]Each family should have a choice.

Chance is not a chronic vent patient.

Why do you think your experience with chronic vent patients should be relevant to his personal medical treatment?

What do you think about the people here who posted that Chance was blind, would never be able to walk, has severe disabilities, etc, without knowing the actual truth about him?

They would not have access to Chance’s medical records. But they still pretended they knew his condition.

Why would strangers lie about an unborn baby?

Great, the bolded is all that matters and can stop debating

[b]Adriana Smith’s baby is “doing better,” her mother said, in follow-up to 11Alive’s report

On Monday, Newkirk shared that her unborn grandson — whom the family has named Chance — is continuing to grow.

“The baby is actually doing better than the last time I met with the doctors,” she said.

Newkirk explained Smith is receiving steroids and nutrition through a PICC line. She added that baby Chance's heartbeat is strong and that he's measuring slightly above average in weight for his gestational age.

“He has his toes, arms, limbs — everything is forming,” she said. “We're just hoping he makes it.”

Great. The only point relevant here is that the family is allowed to choose. The end.

Then why were dcum posts insisting this baby was blind and disabled and would never live or lead a life of any kind?

People can search back and see all the sick lies told about this child.

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Anonymous wrote:“"He's expected to be OK," Newkirk said. "He's just fighting. We just want prayers for him. Just keep praying for him. He's here now."
She's now preparing to say goodbye to her daughter. Newkirk said the hospital will take Smith off of life support Tuesday.
"It's kind of hard, you know," she said tearfully. "It's hard to process."
She wishes she had more time“”
‘
https://www.11alive.com/article/news/health/adriana-smith-baby-born-life-support-update-brain-dead-nicu/85-1fb6595c-3966-4a50-993d-0e36e05cb256

I feel so sorry for this poor woman. If she had been cared for correctly and received better medical care, she could be here with her children.

It’s amazing the Chance is going to be ok!

You cannot honestly believe that a one-pound baby is okay.

My mother sadly was diagnosed with cancer while my brother was in utero. After several miscarriages and still births, my Mom was determined to have this child. He arrived at 25 weeks gestation at 1# 4 oz. He struggled hard but pulled through and lived a life for 30 years. He was pretty healthy once he overcame the hole in his heart and lung growth restrictions.

This is a story about a mother deciding to have a child - her autonomy fully respected. Very different from the state forcing it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“"He's expected to be OK," Newkirk said. "He's just fighting. We just want prayers for him. Just keep praying for him. He's here now."
She's now preparing to say goodbye to her daughter. Newkirk said the hospital will take Smith off of life support Tuesday.
"It's kind of hard, you know," she said tearfully. "It's hard to process."
She wishes she had more time“”

https://www.11alive.com/article/news/health/adriana-smith-baby-born-life-support-update-brain-dead-nicu/85-1fb6595c-3966-4a50-993d-0e36e05cb256

I feel so sorry for this poor woman. If she had been cared for correctly and received better medical care, she could be here with her children.

It’s amazing the Chance is going to be ok!

You cannot honestly believe that a one-pound baby is okay.

My mother sadly was diagnosed with cancer while my brother was in utero. After several miscarriages and still births, my Mom was determined to have this child. He arrived at 25 weeks gestation at 1# 4 oz. He struggled hard but pulled through and lived a life for 30 years. He was pretty healthy once he overcame the hole in his heart and lung growth restrictions.