John Mearsheimer: ‘Neither Iran🇮🇷 or the United States🇺🇸 want to fight each other. It’s the Israelis who have been trying to pull the Iranians and the Americans into a fight.’

Prof. Jeffrey Sachs: ‘Netanyahu’s dream in life is a war between the US and Iran.’

Col. Douglas Macgregor: ‘Netanyahu will drag Trump into the abyss because he wants this war with Iran come hell or high water.’

Will Netanyahu get his wish and get the US to fight another one of many wars on Israel's behalf?

Anonymous wrote:The attack on Iran at this moment is an absolute smoke screen designed to distract you from the genocide of the Palestinian. PR was getting very bad, need to find a new tactic to paint themselves as victims. Don’t fall for it. They bombed Iran, is Iran supposed to sit back and do nothing?

Once Iran is dealt with, Hamas will collapse for lack of external support. A good thing.

Anonymous wrote:https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/report-israel-asked-us-to-join-military-campaign-against-iran-but-us-rejects-request/

Israel is desperately trying to get US to join military campaign against Iran but the US has declined, at least openly.

Israel asked US President Donald Trump’s administration to join its attack against the Islamic Republic’s nuclear and military sites, two Israeli officials told the news site.

Ok. Is this supposed to be some kind of critique of Israel, or just random news?

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Anonymous wrote:The myth of Israel being a victim is finally being shattered.

Yup, despite the fact that they assassinated almost every journalist in Gaza, don't let international journalist to go in independently, and the media is overwhelming repeating their talking points, people are finally seeing the true nature of Israel that it is and has been since it's inception.

Before its inception really. Have to remember King David hotel and all that.

true, Iran has never assassinated anyone:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Iranian_assassinations

Israel killed a lot more people in the King David hotel bombing than Iran has in its entire history per your list. Iran also seems to go after its dissidents. Israel doesn't care if you're Israeli, Palestinian, Iranian, British, American, Syrian, etc..

Its absolutely clear which is the destabilizing force for the region. Its a testament to Israeli control of media that anyone thinks otherwise.

You’re aware that Israel didn’t exist at the time of the King David Hotel bombing, right?

Oops.

One, you missed the whole "Before its inception really. Have to remember King David hotel and all that."

Two, that's the sort of legalism that has gotten your people into so much trouble time and time again.

Midwestern Lutherans? I wasn’t aware that we had a reputation for legalism at all, much less one that’s gotten us in repeated trouble.

Handbell choir politics and lutefisk debates are our issues.

Those altruistic Scandinavians with no conflict of interest in the matter at all, “we swear!”, but such internal drive to persist over years now in these threads with distortions, false claims, and whataboutism … to defend their peaceful brethren from the Ukraine and Poland, uh, I mean Israel, who only want to be left alone in their promised land!

It’s our Progressive roots—did Bob LaFollette limit his interests to the price of soybeans and margarine tariffs?

Fascinating that you believe that everyone who disagrees with you is Jewish, though. Strange bird.

Interesting that you jumped to an insinuation of “anti-semitism”, but some cannot control their true impulses, alas.

I said conflict of interest. I’ll surely stand by that. Unequivocally.

Bottom line: you are one of 5-6 boorish clowns that have been distracting from the conversation here for some time now: 1. Garden-variety racist; 2. Islamophobic misanthrope with fugazi 9/11 patriotism fever; 3. Jewish; 4. Married or otherwise connected with the Jewish community; 5. Paid or unpaid Troll - also, corrupted Members of Congress and political elite fit in here; 6. Hasbara goon squad.

In any event, the fact that ANYONE at this point cannot at least blast Israel into oblivion with condemnation over what Israel has done (regardless of what others have done) is stone cold evidence that the person is very obviously inhuman or in one of those 6 groups.

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Anonymous wrote:This is madness
I really hope America will not be dragged into this

I hope otherwise, as U.S power would end the conflict even more rapidly, saving lives and bringing about much needed regime change in Iran. A lack of commitment has resulted in Iran steadily working towards a nuclear weapon - it's time for decisive and definitive action to eliminate the mullahs and their insane theocratic, antidemocratic and antisemitic regime once and for all.

NP. Then you send your sons to die. Not mine.

If Trump drags us into this war then his din Barton should be sent. He of 6'7" and the maximum height is 6'8", so they can't claim that he is too tall.

FDR's sons fought in WWII, Ike's son was in WWII, Johnson's two sons in law fought in Viet Nam and Trump's youngest son can fight in a war tru.p wanted a d dragged us into! If Melania doesn't like it then she can accompany him as his bat mom.

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Anonymous wrote:The myth of Israel being a victim is finally being shattered.

Yup, despite the fact that they assassinated almost every journalist in Gaza, don't let international journalist to go in independently, and the media is overwhelming repeating their talking points, people are finally seeing the true nature of Israel that it is and has been since it's inception.

Before its inception really. Have to remember King David hotel and all that.

true, Iran has never assassinated anyone:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Iranian_assassinations

Israel killed a lot more people in the King David hotel bombing than Iran has in its entire history per your list. Iran also seems to go after its dissidents. Israel doesn't care if you're Israeli, Palestinian, Iranian, British, American, Syrian, etc..

Its absolutely clear which is the destabilizing force for the region. Its a testament to Israeli control of media that anyone thinks otherwise.

You’re aware that Israel didn’t exist at the time of the King David Hotel bombing, right?

Oops.

One, you missed the whole "Before its inception really. Have to remember King David hotel and all that."

Two, that's the sort of legalism that has gotten your people into so much trouble time and time again.

Midwestern Lutherans? I wasn’t aware that we had a reputation for legalism at all, much less one that’s gotten us in repeated trouble.

Handbell choir politics and lutefisk debates are our issues.

Those altruistic Scandinavians with no conflict of interest in the matter at all, “we swear!”, but such internal drive to persist over years now in these threads with distortions, false claims, and whataboutism … to defend their peaceful brethren from the Ukraine and Poland, uh, I mean Israel, who only want to be left alone in their promised land!

It’s our Progressive roots—did Bob LaFollette limit his interests to the price of soybeans and margarine tariffs?

Fascinating that you believe that everyone who disagrees with you is Jewish, though. Strange bird.

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Anonymous wrote:The myth of Israel being a victim is finally being shattered.

Yup, despite the fact that they assassinated almost every journalist in Gaza, don't let international journalist to go in independently, and the media is overwhelming repeating their talking points, people are finally seeing the true nature of Israel that it is and has been since it's inception.

Before its inception really. Have to remember King David hotel and all that.

true, Iran has never assassinated anyone:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Iranian_assassinations

Israel killed a lot more people in the King David hotel bombing than Iran has in its entire history per your list. Iran also seems to go after its dissidents. Israel doesn't care if you're Israeli, Palestinian, Iranian, British, American, Syrian, etc..

Its absolutely clear which is the destabilizing force for the region. Its a testament to Israeli control of media that anyone thinks otherwise.

You’re aware that Israel didn’t exist at the time of the King David Hotel bombing, right?

Oops.

One, you missed the whole "Before its inception really. Have to remember King David hotel and all that."

Two, that's the sort of legalism that has gotten your people into so much trouble time and time again.

Midwestern Lutherans? I wasn’t aware that we had a reputation for legalism at all, much less one that’s gotten us in repeated trouble.

Handbell choir politics and lutefisk debates are our issues.

Those altruistic Scandinavians with no conflict of interest in the matter at all, “we swear!”, but such internal drive to persist over years now in these threads with distortions, false claims, and whataboutism … to defend their peaceful brethren from the Ukraine and Poland, uh, I mean Israel, who only want to be left alone in their promised land!

Anonymous wrote:The real question is:
"Is this the beginning of WWIII?"

No.

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Anonymous wrote:The myth of Israel being a victim is finally being shattered.

Yup, despite the fact that they assassinated almost every journalist in Gaza, don't let international journalist to go in independently, and the media is overwhelming repeating their talking points, people are finally seeing the true nature of Israel that it is and has been since it's inception.

Before its inception really. Have to remember King David hotel and all that.

true, Iran has never assassinated anyone:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Iranian_assassinations

Israel killed a lot more people in the King David hotel bombing than Iran has in its entire history per your list. Iran also seems to go after its dissidents. Israel doesn't care if you're Israeli, Palestinian, Iranian, British, American, Syrian, etc..

Its absolutely clear which is the destabilizing force for the region. Its a testament to Israeli control of media that anyone thinks otherwise.

You’re aware that Israel didn’t exist at the time of the King David Hotel bombing, right?

Oops.

One, you missed the whole "Before its inception really. Have to remember King David hotel and all that."

Two, that's the sort of legalism that has gotten your people into so much trouble time and time again.

Midwestern Lutherans? I wasn’t aware that we had a reputation for legalism at all, much less one that’s gotten us in repeated trouble.

Handbell choir politics and lutefisk debates are our issues.

The real question is:
"Is this the beginning of WWIII?"

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Anonymous wrote:The myth of Israel being a victim is finally being shattered.

Yup, despite the fact that they assassinated almost every journalist in Gaza, don't let international journalist to go in independently, and the media is overwhelming repeating their talking points, people are finally seeing the true nature of Israel that it is and has been since it's inception.

Before its inception really. Have to remember King David hotel and all that.

true, Iran has never assassinated anyone:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Iranian_assassinations

Israel killed a lot more people in the King David hotel bombing than Iran has in its entire history per your list. Iran also seems to go after its dissidents. Israel doesn't care if you're Israeli, Palestinian, Iranian, British, American, Syrian, etc..

Its absolutely clear which is the destabilizing force for the region. Its a testament to Israeli control of media that anyone thinks otherwise.

You’re aware that Israel didn’t exist at the time of the King David Hotel bombing, right?

Oops.

One, you missed the whole "Before its inception really. Have to remember King David hotel and all that."

Two, that's the sort of legalism that has gotten your people into so much trouble time and time again.

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I really hope America will not be dragged into this

I hope otherwise, as U.S power would end the conflict even more rapidly, saving lives and bringing about much needed regime change in Iran. A lack of commitment has resulted in Iran steadily working towards a nuclear weapon - it's time for decisive and definitive action to eliminate the mullahs and their insane theocratic, antidemocratic and antisemitic regime once and for all.

NP. Then you send your sons to die. Not mine.

You'd prefer to wait until Iran comes for them, than to prevent that from happening? Are you related to Neville Chamberlain?

Iran doesn’t have the capacity to come after my sons now in a preemptive war, and certainly my sons dying in an Israeli war doesn’t prevent Iranian terrorism. The Iranian terrorists who will strike in the US are already here.

Let me be clear. I am a political moderate. I have actually been largely okay with the concept of Israel defending itself after 10/7. I don’t believe Hamas propaganda, and I have little respect for the UN as a force of good.

But I would rather let Israel be wiped off the map entirely than have American boys die to defend it. Israel has received billions from the US. If it can’t manage to defend itself with that money, that is Israel’s problem.

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Anonymous wrote:Folks, borders will be redrawn. The partition of India was far bloodier, and the territory, once it was established as India, Pakistan, or Bangladesh (w/ the exception of Kashmir) has not reverted to prior configuration nor has it been further contested.

The two-state solution is dead. Palestine is a fictional country with no Biblical legitimacy and many missed opportunities to choose the path of peace, prosperity and a passport. The Palestinians should have taken the deal in 1947/48 (Partition), 1993 and 1995 (Oslo), 2000 (Camp David), 2007 (Annapolis), or 2020 (Peace to Prosperity) but they didn't.

10/7/23 was the red line, and it's a whole new strategy as far as Israel is concerned.

And to be clear, if any of the Arab nations or Iran really cared about the Palestinians they would have offered resettlement. Not seeing much enthusiasm for that for obvious reasons--they have created chaos, instability and terror wherever they've gone.

Israelis are on record saying they were going to take the land anyway regardless of whether it was partitioned or not. The “deals” were not deals, they were traps.

Zionists would probably assassinate their own leaders if they accepted any "deal." No need for any type of deal anyways; they have been able to commit genocide with impunity with the backing of the West.

One of the talking points most often employed against the Palestinians is that their rejection of the UN partition plan is the root cause for all the misery and conflict that followed.

Israel fails to mention partition was never their idea and never what they wanted. They will also fail to mention all the UN leaders who worked on partition that they assassinated in 1947-1948.

On 17th September, 1948, Count Folke Bernadotte, a United Nations Mediator for Palestine, was murdered in Jerusalem by a Zionist militant organization. Count Bernadotte's presence in Palestine followed the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine and the subsequent unilateral Israeli Declaration of Independence.


Which side is really against peace?

It’s not the Arabs

What you fail to mention is that the government of Israel DID in fact officially accept the partition.

Palestinian leadership and Arab states did not.

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Anonymous wrote:The myth of Israel being a victim is finally being shattered.

Yup, despite the fact that they assassinated almost every journalist in Gaza, don't let international journalist to go in independently, and the media is overwhelming repeating their talking points, people are finally seeing the true nature of Israel that it is and has been since it's inception.

Before its inception really. Have to remember King David hotel and all that.

true, Iran has never assassinated anyone:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Iranian_assassinations

Israel killed a lot more people in the King David hotel bombing than Iran has in its entire history per your list. Iran also seems to go after its dissidents. Israel doesn't care if you're Israeli, Palestinian, Iranian, British, American, Syrian, etc..

Its absolutely clear which is the destabilizing force for the region. Its a testament to Israeli control of media that anyone thinks otherwise.

You’re aware that Israel didn’t exist at the time of the King David Hotel bombing, right?

Oops.

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Anonymous wrote:Nope. Isreal needs to bomb Iran off the map.

Why? Iran/Persia has a history as a great ancient civilization. It also has a population of 90 million people (vs. only 9 million for Israel). Its culture is rich and it has beautiful cities and cultural sites. As a matter of fact, Iran has 26 World Heritage Sites vs. only 9 for Israel. Y’all should really educate yourselves before making such hateful and ignorant posts.

And, moreover, Iran sponsors terror groups like Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis, and is trying desperately to develop nuclear weapons so it can impose its vision of a theocratic earthly paradise on all the infidels. What's not to admire about that?

Will you sign your kid up for war?