Anonymous
Post 06/06/2025 21:35     Subject: Re:Kilmar coming back
From Alt NPS:

“In an act of integrity and resistance, a supervisor in the Nashville federal prosecutor’s office resigned over how the Abrego Garcia case was being handled. The charges are bogus, pure political theater meant to justify a wrongful abduction. His resignation deserves respect. Some things aren’t worth selling your soul for.”
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2025 21:34     Subject: Kilmar coming back
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:The outrage was about due process.

The constitution requires due process for everyone. The point is that we do not know whether anyone is guilty not until AFTER they have due process.

All of you claiming those that stood up for due process will regret it because it turns out Garcia was a criminal need to understand that even a rapist and murderer is entitled to due process because we will never know if they are, in fact, a rapist and murdered without it.

Without it your innocent grandmother could be accused or rape and murder and sent to the gulag until the end of her days without trial because the government says she is bad. Everyone will say "how can you defend her, she is a rapist and murderer". That is not a world I want to live in.


Yes, this.
Also, there is a huge difference between deporting someone, and deporting someone (not even yet convicted of crime) to a gulag.


Intelligent people know this was never about "due process." Democrats only cared about protesting Trump. If Democrats cared about due process, they'd not have let 20 million illegal aliens walk across the border like it was no big deal. Every illegal crossing is *breaking the law*. It was making a mockery of the concept of due process in the first place. The fascinating thing is that this whole episode is opening up many more questions about the Biden administration and their weird failure to do anything about the border situation because we know the man was stopped in Tennessee by the police, who called in the FBI and then was told to let him go. Why? What did the FBI know? And he went on to commit more trafficking crimes involving smuggling humans throughout the US. Amazing, isn't it?

And this man is charged with severe, significantly severe, criminal gang activity involving murder and human trafficking and sexual abuse of women and possibly even minors. And you are worried about him going to a gulag? By which you mean prison in El Salvador, his home country and the only country he is citizen of?

Anonymous
Post 06/06/2025 21:27     Subject: Kilmar coming back
Anonymous wrote:The outrage was about due process.

The constitution requires due process for everyone. The point is that we do not know whether anyone is guilty not until AFTER they have due process.

All of you claiming those that stood up for due process will regret it because it turns out Garcia was a criminal need to understand that even a rapist and murderer is entitled to due process because we will never know if they are, in fact, a rapist and murdered without it.

Without it your innocent grandmother could be accused or rape and murder and sent to the gulag until the end of her days without trial because the government says she is bad. Everyone will say "how can you defend her, she is a rapist and murderer". That is not a world I want to live in.


Yes, this.
Also, there is a huge difference between deporting someone, and deporting someone (not even yet convicted of crime) to a gulag.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2025 21:08     Subject: Kilmar coming back
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is the only way the administration can bring him back with a wisp of dignity. They've been preparing this for weeks and Pam Bondi rehearsed her speech so she could say it with a straight face. The DOJ lawyer in charge of his case before his deportation was fired, because he told the truth to the judge.

Hopefully justice prevails.



They've trumped up a clearly unproveable human trafficking charge in order to buy time to legally deport him. Added bonus, no one is talking about CECOT anymore.


Sounds to me like they have a good deal of hard evidence - cell phones, license plate readers, and probably a bunch more.
Doesn't sound at all unprovable to me.

Face it Dems, you have been rooting for a loser and a criminal.


That's fine. We're fighting for your due process rights too.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2025 20:50     Subject: Kilmar coming back
Anonymous wrote:The outrage was about due process.

The constitution requires due process for everyone. The point is that we do not know whether anyone is guilty not until AFTER they have due process.

All of you claiming those that stood up for due process will regret it because it turns out Garcia was a criminal need to understand that even a rapist and murderer is entitled to due process because we will never know if they are, in fact, a rapist and murdered without it.

Without it your innocent grandmother could be accused or rape and murder and sent to the gulag until the end of her days without trial because the government says she is bad. Everyone will say "how can you defend her, she is a rapist and murderer". That is not a world I want to live in.


This was never about due process. He had a valid deportation order and still does. This was an administrative error in that he was sent to his native country despite a hold.

Now he is going to stand trial. Either way, he is out of the country at some point.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2025 20:49     Subject: Kilmar coming back
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are 50 Venezuelans who were in the United States legally and have never been accused, much less convicted of any crime, locked up in CECOT.

BRING THEM BACK!


THEY ARENT AMERICANS! We don’t want them.


THEY ARE HUMAN!!!!! I’m American AND I WANT THEM HERE.
I would much rather see you deported.


They have homes.
In their own countries
Anyone here illegally needs to be deported.


after due process, per the US Constitution.


Due process is different for illegals than for citizens. And we have such a thing as expedited removal.

Out they go!

No it is not.


Yeah expedited removal, where they don't go infront of judge doesn't exist

or does it?

Illegal immigrants who have appeared in front a judge and given an order of expedited removal can be deported. Random people on the street who don’t have such an order cannot be sent to a foreign gulag for no reason.


No, for expedited removal, they don't go infront of a judge. It's a faster process than a deportation hearing.

Here's an immigration advocacy group describing the process. Typically in the past it was used at the border, now they're changing how its used.

https://www.nilc.org/resources/know-your-rights-expedited-removal-expansion/

Do illegals at the border have due process if you're defining it as going in front of a judge? It would appear that no, not everyone has due process if you're going by that definition.


Individuals placed in expedited removal generally have no right to challenge their deportation in federal court, thanks to jurisdiction-stripping provisions in the 1996 law which created the process. This means that even where an immigration officer acted unlawfully in issuing an order of expedited removal, a noncitizen is severely restricted in their ability to challenge that decision. Individuals may only bring a lawsuit challenging their expedited removal order if they are a lawful permanent resident, or someone already determined to be a refugee or granted asylum, who has been wrongfully subject to expedited removal. In 2020, the Supreme Court upheld this law, finding that it did not violate the right to habeas corpus or due process.

Anonymous
Post 06/06/2025 20:45     Subject: Kilmar coming back
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is the only way the administration can bring him back with a wisp of dignity. They've been preparing this for weeks and Pam Bondi rehearsed her speech so she could say it with a straight face. The DOJ lawyer in charge of his case before his deportation was fired, because he told the truth to the judge.

Hopefully justice prevails.



They've trumped up a clearly unproveable human trafficking charge in order to buy time to legally deport him. Added bonus, no one is talking about CECOT anymore.


Sounds to me like they have a good deal of hard evidence - cell phones, license plate readers, and probably a bunch more.
Doesn't sound at all unprovable to me.

Face it Dems, you have been rooting for a loser and a criminal.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2025 20:43     Subject: Kilmar coming back
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wonder if the esteem Senator and Congressman will start a go fundme legal fund for their constituent, a Maryland man?


If they do, a lot of us will contribute.


You’re already set to contribute. Your tax dollars will go towards jailing him and feeding him and his medical care and his trial. Then you’ll pay to deport him back to the same prison you just paid to fly him back from.


Great.

When is the Trump administration going to go after actual criminals? So pathetic.


How do you know KAG isn’t a criminal?


well, the fact that they are inventing a story about human trafficking out of a day laborer driving day laborers to a construction job... I'd say it's a pretty good bet. But I am not just talking about Abrego Garcia. I am talking about the majority of the people in CECOT who are not criminals either. And the majority of the women, high school students, garment district workers, etc being arrested on a daily basis by masked ICE agents.


A "day laborer" simply driving his buddy "day laborers" from Texas to NY or wherever for their day jobs. LOL
Are you truly this gullible?

Abrego Garcia was driving a Chevrolet Suburban east on Interstate 40 on Nov. 30, 2022, when he was stopped by the Tennessee Highway Patrol for speeding. Packed inside the vehicle, according to authorities, were nine Hispanic men.

According to a motion for detention, Abrego Garcia “told the THP that he and his passengers had been in St. Louis for the preceding two weeks doing construction work.”

Prosecutors said cell phone data and evidence from license plate readers revealed that his story was a lie.

“Specifically, the defendant had been in Texas earlier that same morning and had not been close to St. Louis within the prior two weeks. Moreover, none of the individuals in the vehicle had luggage or even tools consistent with construction work,” the motion read.

“The Government also learned, after obtaining the defendant’s cellphone records, that at the exact minute on the BWC footage that the defendant told the THP officer that the defendant was going to call his ‘boss,’ the defendant placed a call on his cellphone to the owner of the SUV and one of his fellow co-conspirators."

That co-conspirator was "a previously convicted alien smuggler.”

The motion says that investigators interviewed a number of co-conspirators and other witnesses, who will help prove that the traffic stop “was not a one-off transaction.”


https://www.newschannel5.com/news/newschannel-5-investigates/facing-charges-in-tennessee-kilmar-abrego-garcia-described-as-violent-man-with-no-control-of-his-temper
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2025 20:41     Subject: Kilmar coming back
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:There are 50 Venezuelans who were in the United States legally and have never been accused, much less convicted of any crime, locked up in CECOT.

BRING THEM BACK!


THEY ARENT AMERICANS! We don’t want them.


THEY ARE HUMAN!!!!! I’m American AND I WANT THEM HERE.
I would much rather see you deported.


They have homes.
In their own countries
Anyone here illegally needs to be deported.


after due process, per the US Constitution.


Due process is different for illegals than for citizens. And we have such a thing as expedited removal.

Out they go!

No it is not.


Yeah expedited removal, where they don't go infront of judge doesn't exist

or does it?

Illegal immigrants who have appeared in front a judge and given an order of expedited removal can be deported. Random people on the street who don’t have such an order cannot be sent to a foreign gulag for no reason.


No, for expedited removal, they don't go infront of a judge. It's a faster process than a deportation hearing.

Here's an immigration advocacy group describing the process. Typically in the past it was used at the border, now they're changing how its used.

https://www.nilc.org/resources/know-your-rights-expedited-removal-expansion/

Do illegals at the border have due process if you're defining it as going in front of a judge? It would appear that no, not everyone has due process if you're going by that definition.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2025 20:40     Subject: Kilmar coming back
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:It is the only way the administration can bring him back with a wisp of dignity. They've been preparing this for weeks and Pam Bondi rehearsed her speech so she could say it with a straight face. The DOJ lawyer in charge of his case before his deportation was fired, because he told the truth to the judge.

Hopefully justice prevails.



They've trumped up a clearly unproveable human trafficking charge in order to buy time to legally deport him. Added bonus, no one is talking about CECOT anymore.


There is video. The trooper could also testify. Maybe it is not provable, but it looks pretty much like evidence to me.

But, I'm not lawyer.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2025 20:33     Subject: Kilmar coming back
Anonymous wrote:It is the only way the administration can bring him back with a wisp of dignity. They've been preparing this for weeks and Pam Bondi rehearsed her speech so she could say it with a straight face. The DOJ lawyer in charge of his case before his deportation was fired, because he told the truth to the judge.

Hopefully justice prevails.



They've trumped up a clearly unproveable human trafficking charge in order to buy time to legally deport him. Added bonus, no one is talking about CECOT anymore.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2025 20:31     Subject: Kilmar coming back
The outrage was about due process.

The constitution requires due process for everyone. The point is that we do not know whether anyone is guilty not until AFTER they have due process.

All of you claiming those that stood up for due process will regret it because it turns out Garcia was a criminal need to understand that even a rapist and murderer is entitled to due process because we will never know if they are, in fact, a rapist and murdered without it.

Without it your innocent grandmother could be accused or rape and murder and sent to the gulag until the end of her days without trial because the government says she is bad. Everyone will say "how can you defend her, she is a rapist and murderer". That is not a world I want to live in.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2025 20:30     Subject: Kilmar coming back
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wonder if the esteem Senator and Congressman will start a go fundme legal fund for their constituent, a Maryland man?


If they do, a lot of us will contribute.


You’re already set to contribute. Your tax dollars will go towards jailing him and feeding him and his medical care and his trial. Then you’ll pay to deport him back to the same prison you just paid to fly him back from.


Great.

When is the Trump administration going to go after actual criminals? So pathetic.


How do you know KAG isn’t a criminal?


Don't think the traffic stop in TN was revealed until all the publicity. Pretty damning video.

Well not even the government thought he was a criminal when they sent him away. They came up with this after the fact to cover themselves.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2025 20:30     Subject: Kilmar coming back
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wonder if the esteem Senator and Congressman will start a go fundme legal fund for their constituent, a Maryland man?


If they do, a lot of us will contribute.


You’re already set to contribute. Your tax dollars will go towards jailing him and feeding him and his medical care and his trial. Then you’ll pay to deport him back to the same prison you just paid to fly him back from.


Great.

When is the Trump administration going to go after actual criminals? So pathetic.


How do you know KAG isn’t a criminal?


well, the fact that they are inventing a story about human trafficking out of a day laborer driving day laborers to a construction job... I'd say it's a pretty good bet. But I am not just talking about Abrego Garcia. I am talking about the majority of the people in CECOT who are not criminals either. And the majority of the women, high school students, garment district workers, etc being arrested on a daily basis by masked ICE agents.
Anonymous
Post 06/06/2025 20:25     Subject: Kilmar coming back
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Wonder if the esteem Senator and Congressman will start a go fundme legal fund for their constituent, a Maryland man?


If they do, a lot of us will contribute.


You’re already set to contribute. Your tax dollars will go towards jailing him and feeding him and his medical care and his trial. Then you’ll pay to deport him back to the same prison you just paid to fly him back from.


Great.

When is the Trump administration going to go after actual criminals? So pathetic.


How do you know KAG isn’t a criminal?


Well not even the government thought he was a criminal when they sent him away. They came up with this after the fact to cover themselves.