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Anonymous wrote:Very good cast especially Fahey, Moore and Bacon and intriguing story that's both familiar and original. I like the weird acolytes/cult that Moore has.

Yes, Moore knocks it out of the park being so (seemingly) genuinely kind and also out-of-touch crazy rich lady.

I thought it was very telling that Simone didn't identify with the help and all the hate actually detested her. How realistic is that? Would the PA be removed from the rest of the help? Would they all loathe the PA or are they really one of the drudges rolling their eyes at "mistress" too? If I were Simone it makes more sense to try to be a balm or a salve or a buffer to the rest of the help rather than tiny second dictator...

A PA would absolutely be in a tier above the rest of the help. The hierarchy of a household staff has indoor staff above outdoor staff, and assistants above all else-- think "ladies in waiting."

The staff hated Simone because Kiki, like many manipulative people, lives her life having other people to do her dirty work. Kiki didn't care one whit about the help and would whisper her complaints about the help's work to Simone. Simone was expected to enforce what Kiki wanted. Simone was always acting on what Kiki wanted. She was the one who had to deliver the ridiculous demands.

I don’t think the demands were ridiculous tbh…if you’re paid to make smoothies and the person doesn’t drink them, so what? Have the smoothie or give it to another staff member. Same with the chairs and the event, it’s the job. I’ve never been rich or had staff but I have done work that seems pointless. That’s life, not some great hardship.

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I didn't find Simone to be insufferable or demanding and couldn't figure out why the staff hated her so much. She was just relaying Kiki's demands, not making them herself.

The staff absolutely would have hated her.

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Anonymous wrote:Also! Why did they make it seem like Peter was having a heart attack in Simone's bedroom in the last episode?

My impression of that scene was that Peter finally realizes that he hasn't seen his own kids in over a decade due to their relationship with Kiki. It's almost like he is *just then* realizing how much time he's wasted and for what? I liked the Peter character, but HATED that aspect. Who would let a decade go by and not see their kids? If they didn't get along with Kiki, he could certainly have seen them without her and without it being a secret. That really disgusted me.

Um... thousands and thousands of men.

Especially after they find a new woman, after divorce, due to an affair, or almost immediately after becoming a widow.

It is so common for men to completely ditch their kids after moving on to a new woman, especially if the new woman hates the original wife or resents the original family.

There is a reason why wicked stepmothers are a stereotype.

Kiki didn’t seem to be that at all. She was an M&A lawyer, Peter pursued her, dumped his family, ringed her up, got her to resign as they tried to get her pregnant. He’s the villain of his own life and that of his first disfigured ex-wife.

Have you ever been dumped by your dad?

Ask anyone who has. They mostly blame the new woman, especially if she is:

A) Bi#chy (check for Kiki)
B) The affair partner (check for Kiki)
C) Ruined their mom's life (check for Kiki, especially if the divorce led to the plastic surgery which led to the disfiguration)
D) Dad's dumping of the kids coincided with the new marriage with the affair partner. (Check, check, check)

Blaming all or most of it on Kiki was a very normal and common response from any kid, adult or child, who has been dumped by their dad after he acquired a new woman, specifically the next woman after your mom.

This is so evident by his kids working with dad to sneak him to the baptism of the grandchild. They were willing to welcome dad because there are evolutionary ties of love for your parents, even bad parents, that override logic, but they were not willing to build any relationship with Kiki because she destroyed their family. I actually experienced the baptism thing with my dad and his new replacement of my mom, except my dad didn't show. I 100% am aware of his ownership and responsibility in missing it, but I also 100% blame the other woman. At that point, there was a lot of water under the bridge and a lot of obvious things that she did to protect her victory and cut him off from the family.

Ask any one in that position who has been dumped by their father when he moves on to another woman. There are many of us and all of us will tell you some variation of the same thing.

Men dump their kids all the time and they immediately move on to a new woman from their current wife. In every case, especially affairs, the new woman is never an innocent party in the cutting off or disparate treatment of the original family of the man. It happens so frequently it has become cliche.

Kids, even adult kids, want to be loved by their fathers, which is why they will repeatedly overlook his sins, for the same things that they cannot forgive or overlook in his affair partner or other woman.

That part, of him dumping his children from the first marriage, the sneaking around to see them, and the blame of Kiki coming from the adult children are so common and normal that it is one of the most believable parts of the entire plot.

They won't feel that way about Simone, and will probably welcome her or at least have a cordial relationship with her, even though she is likely younger than them and an obvious gold digger. They will be grateful to her for being the reason why dad got rid of the woman who ruined their family and who they feel cut their dad out of their lives. They might roll their eyes at Simone and gossip behind her back, but they will have a cordial relationship with her. To them, Simone is not the home wrecking other woman who took away their dad. She is just dad's newest mid life crisis who made it possible for their own kids to have a grandpa.

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Anonymous wrote:Also! Why did they make it seem like Peter was having a heart attack in Simone's bedroom in the last episode?

My impression of that scene was that Peter finally realizes that he hasn't seen his own kids in over a decade due to their relationship with Kiki. It's almost like he is *just then* realizing how much time he's wasted and for what? I liked the Peter character, but HATED that aspect. Who would let a decade go by and not see their kids? If they didn't get along with Kiki, he could certainly have seen them without her and without it being a secret. That really disgusted me.

Um... thousands and thousands of men.

Especially after they find a new woman, after divorce, due to an affair, or almost immediately after becoming a widow.

It is so common for men to completely ditch their kids after moving on to a new woman, especially if the new woman hates the original wife or resents the original family.

There is a reason why wicked stepmothers are a stereotype.

Kiki didn’t seem to be that at all. She was an M&A lawyer, Peter pursued her, dumped his family, ringed her up, got her to resign as they tried to get her pregnant. He’s the villain of his own life and that of his first disfigured ex-wife.

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Anonymous wrote:Wanted to add that this show is what Your Friends and Neighbors pretends to be. That show is marquee names and expensive production but it’s idiotic and most of the acting blows and sucks, Amanda Peet and the Asian actor playing the money manager with the impossible in-laws excepted.

Thanks- was going to watch that before our free apple trial expired. Now I might have to hang on for the Stanley Tucci movie in Fall.

That show just isn’t fundamentally interesting, it has zero to say but the voiceover and credits are ponderous. The houses are huge and the lifestyles are DCUM rich but there’s no wit or visual interest, and there’s no one as amazing as Fahy or Moore in that show, doing their level of acting.

It seems like you missed a lot.

Nah. You don’t have much of a brain if you think that show is anything other than shiny expensively produced trash.

Oh, great. The ahole who condescends to anyone who dares to disagree with her opinion is back. I agree with the PP - you obviously missed a lot.
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It’s nice you two have company in being wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:Also! Why did they make it seem like Peter was having a heart attack in Simone's bedroom in the last episode?

My impression of that scene was that Peter finally realizes that he hasn't seen his own kids in over a decade due to their relationship with Kiki. It's almost like he is *just then* realizing how much time he's wasted and for what? I liked the Peter character, but HATED that aspect. Who would let a decade go by and not see their kids? If they didn't get along with Kiki, he could certainly have seen them without her and without it being a secret. That really disgusted me.

Um... thousands and thousands of men.

Especially after they find a new woman, after divorce, due to an affair, or almost immediately after becoming a widow.

It is so common for men to completely ditch their kids after moving on to a new woman, especially if the new woman hates the original wife or resents the original family.

There is a reason why wicked stepmothers are a stereotype.

Anonymous wrote:I thought Morgan was just actually a good guy. For both Simone and Devon, their men didn’t LISTEN. Ray didn’t listen to Devon and was bad for her. Ethan didn’t listen to Simone and was bad for her. Dad was useless. He was the only one who listened, paid attention, did things that would be good for HER instead of just whatever benefits them (men).

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Morgan was a good guy. There's nothing symbolic or hidden in him. He was just the one good guy in the show.

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Anonymous wrote:Wanted to add that this show is what Your Friends and Neighbors pretends to be. That show is marquee names and expensive production but it’s idiotic and most of the acting blows and sucks, Amanda Peet and the Asian actor playing the money manager with the impossible in-laws excepted.

Thanks- was going to watch that before our free apple trial expired. Now I might have to hang on for the Stanley Tucci movie in Fall.

That show just isn’t fundamentally interesting, it has zero to say but the voiceover and credits are ponderous. The houses are huge and the lifestyles are DCUM rich but there’s no wit or visual interest, and there’s no one as amazing as Fahy or Moore in that show, doing their level of acting.

It seems like you missed a lot.

Nah. You don’t have much of a brain if you think that show is anything other than shiny expensively produced trash.

Oh, great. The ahole who condescends to anyone who dares to disagree with her opinion is back. I agree with the PP - you obviously missed a lot.
DP

Lots of complaints about the ending, but it was the only possible way to complete the story. Kiki was a home wrecker who got her home wrecked. Simone interviewed for the job because she wanted that lifestyle, she got it. Devon heads home to face the music for her second DUI, won't be her last.

Anonymous wrote:Also! Why did they make it seem like Peter was having a heart attack in Simone's bedroom in the last episode?

My impression of that scene was that Peter finally realizes that he hasn't seen his own kids in over a decade due to their relationship with Kiki. It's almost like he is *just then* realizing how much time he's wasted and for what? I liked the Peter character, but HATED that aspect. Who would let a decade go by and not see their kids? If they didn't get along with Kiki, he could certainly have seen them without her and without it being a secret. That really disgusted me.

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Anonymous wrote:Very good cast especially Fahey, Moore and Bacon and intriguing story that's both familiar and original. I like the weird acolytes/cult that Moore has.

Yes, Moore knocks it out of the park being so (seemingly) genuinely kind and also out-of-touch crazy rich lady.

I thought it was very telling that Simone didn't identify with the help and all the hate actually detested her. How realistic is that? Would the PA be removed from the rest of the help? Would they all loathe the PA or are they really one of the drudges rolling their eyes at "mistress" too? If I were Simone it makes more sense to try to be a balm or a salve or a buffer to the rest of the help rather than tiny second dictator...

A PA would absolutely be in a tier above the rest of the help. The hierarchy of a household staff has indoor staff above outdoor staff, and assistants above all else-- think "ladies in waiting."

The staff hated Simone because Kiki, like many manipulative people, lives her life having other people to do her dirty work. Kiki didn't care one whit about the help and would whisper her complaints about the help's work to Simone. Simone was expected to enforce what Kiki wanted. Simone was always acting on what Kiki wanted. She was the one who had to deliver the ridiculous demands.

I don’t think the demands were ridiculous tbh…if you’re paid to make smoothies and the person doesn’t drink them, so what? Have the smoothie or give it to another staff member. Same with the chairs and the event, it’s the job. I’ve never been rich or had staff but I have done work that seems pointless. That’s life, not some great hardship.

Really? You "have done work that seems pointless"? Because this reads like it is coming from a SAHMommy who has no clue about what it is to work your a$$ off only to have to change gears due to capriciousness.

Wow, what an incredibly rude comment. That's not at all how the PP came across. I, too, have done pointless grunt work - interning, entry level jobs, etc. Most people have. You sound like you have a huge chip on your shoulder.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:Very good cast especially Fahey, Moore and Bacon and intriguing story that's both familiar and original. I like the weird acolytes/cult that Moore has.

Yes, Moore knocks it out of the park being so (seemingly) genuinely kind and also out-of-touch crazy rich lady.

I thought it was very telling that Simone didn't identify with the help and all the hate actually detested her. How realistic is that? Would the PA be removed from the rest of the help? Would they all loathe the PA or are they really one of the drudges rolling their eyes at "mistress" too? If I were Simone it makes more sense to try to be a balm or a salve or a buffer to the rest of the help rather than tiny second dictator...

A PA would absolutely be in a tier above the rest of the help. The hierarchy of a household staff has indoor staff above outdoor staff, and assistants above all else-- think "ladies in waiting."

The staff hated Simone because Kiki, like many manipulative people, lives her life having other people to do her dirty work. Kiki didn't care one whit about the help and would whisper her complaints about the help's work to Simone. Simone was expected to enforce what Kiki wanted. Simone was always acting on what Kiki wanted. She was the one who had to deliver the ridiculous demands.

I don’t think the demands were ridiculous tbh…if you’re paid to make smoothies and the person doesn’t drink them, so what? Have the smoothie or give it to another staff member. Same with the chairs and the event, it’s the job. I’ve never been rich or had staff but I have done work that seems pointless. That’s life, not some great hardship.

I don't think the issue was the nitpicky work.

I think the issue was the demeaning way that Simone delivered the orders. Speaking to her more experienced coworkers like she was a power drunk kindergarten teacher.

This. They realllllly hated her. Usually people know "don't shoot the messenger" but in this case the messenger was worse than the demeaning requests. It was like a multiplier effect. And even though PAs are in a higher tier, it's pathetic when one thinks that they are friends with their bosses. I mean pathetic like I actually felt bad that Simone really thought that.

DP. To be fair, Kiki told Simone she was her best friend and she treated her as such.

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Anonymous wrote:Very good cast especially Fahey, Moore and Bacon and intriguing story that's both familiar and original. I like the weird acolytes/cult that Moore has.

Yes, Moore knocks it out of the park being so (seemingly) genuinely kind and also out-of-touch crazy rich lady.

I thought it was very telling that Simone didn't identify with the help and all the hate actually detested her. How realistic is that? Would the PA be removed from the rest of the help? Would they all loathe the PA or are they really one of the drudges rolling their eyes at "mistress" too? If I were Simone it makes more sense to try to be a balm or a salve or a buffer to the rest of the help rather than tiny second dictator...

A PA would absolutely be in a tier above the rest of the help. The hierarchy of a household staff has indoor staff above outdoor staff, and assistants above all else-- think "ladies in waiting."

The staff hated Simone because Kiki, like many manipulative people, lives her life having other people to do her dirty work. Kiki didn't care one whit about the help and would whisper her complaints about the help's work to Simone. Simone was expected to enforce what Kiki wanted. Simone was always acting on what Kiki wanted. She was the one who had to deliver the ridiculous demands.

I don’t think the demands were ridiculous tbh…if you’re paid to make smoothies and the person doesn’t drink them, so what? Have the smoothie or give it to another staff member. Same with the chairs and the event, it’s the job. I’ve never been rich or had staff but I have done work that seems pointless. That’s life, not some great hardship.

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I didn't find Simone to be insufferable or demanding and couldn't figure out why the staff hated her so much. She was just relaying Kiki's demands, not making them herself.

Anonymous wrote:What the heck kind of an ending was that that I just watched? It makes no sense, Simone is way too smart for this nonsense.

Right? I fully expected Simone - once she got over her shock - to land on her feet in some way that didn't involve the Kells. That ending was so lazy.

Hated the way Peter pronounced "See-mone."

I was so disappointed in the ending. I never thought Peter and Simone would actually get together - he seemed very sweet and paternal, and of course, much older than her. I was hoping he'd be her champion, but not romantically.

It was so unrealistic that Simone would immediately become Peter's companion in public while Kiki was "dismissed." And the three idiot friends were a stupid touch.

Ethan was so incredibly miscast. What an annoying, unattractive character.

This show didn't seem to know what it wanted to be. Dark comedy? Satire? Drama? I did enjoy some parts of it - especially Meghann Fahey who is gorgeous, funny, and a fantastic actress.