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Anonymous wrote:Remember that one YouTube from that Princeton kid that was posted here last year?

Wow eye-opening.

Immediately took it off of my kids list. It is not a happy place. Buyer beware

Lol my dc is there and is pretty happy

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Curious what is your HHI?

$350k
My kid gets aid.

How much aid do you get with $350k?

We are paying half our in state tuition costs. We are grateful.

You must have very low assets. When we ran the NPC it resulted in zero aid and our HHI is lower.

We do! Grateful to Princeton and grateful our kid is happy there.

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Anonymous wrote:This is really tragic.

At the risk of sounding callous, my kids (senior and junior at 2 different schools) were recently talking about the kids going to X, Y or Z school. Princeton came up because they know about 8 different kids who got in from a mixture of privates and publics. It is the most interesting group of intense, odd and heavily parented kids you could imagine. Their conclusion was that it was a bunch of kids who had little in common with each other except they all stood out as being extreme.

I do think that colleges who select for these outlier kids are going to get ones who struggle with mental health issues at a higher rate than the rest of humanity . Both because mental illness sometimes tracks with brilliance and because the pressure these kids have been under for so many years (from parents and from themselves) is really hard.

I doubt it has anything to do with what Princeton is doing or not doing. These kids arrive with these risk factors.

You are callous. Shame on you.

NP. You're all on a thread about the death of an Ivy kid that none of you know. Many of you are only here because it's an Ivy kid.

Parents, like myself, are questioning how our society produces top young achievers. There's no question in my mind that the process fosters anxiety. And that there are selection rewards for being an outlier (having an extreme talent, conveying through writing an unusual perspective or voice, etc.). We all know that a lot of interesting, intense people can be anxious and have wide emotional swings.

I don't find the person's comment callous. Just their family's experience.

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Anonymous wrote:This is really tragic.

At the risk of sounding callous, my kids (senior and junior at 2 different schools) were recently talking about the kids going to X, Y or Z school. Princeton came up because they know about 8 different kids who got in from a mixture of privates and publics. It is the most interesting group of intense, odd and heavily parented kids you could imagine. Their conclusion was that it was a bunch of kids who had little in common with each other except they all stood out as being extreme.

I do think that colleges who select for these outlier kids are going to get ones who struggle with mental health issues at a higher rate than the rest of humanity . Both because mental illness sometimes tracks with brilliance and because the pressure these kids have been under for so many years (from parents and from themselves) is really hard.

I doubt it has anything to do with what Princeton is doing or not doing. These kids arrive with these risk factors.

You are callous. Shame on you.

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Anonymous wrote:This is really tragic.

At the risk of sounding callous, my kids (senior and junior at 2 different schools) were recently talking about the kids going to X, Y or Z school. Princeton came up because they know about 8 different kids who got in from a mixture of privates and publics. It is the most interesting group of intense, odd and heavily parented kids you could imagine. Their conclusion was that it was a bunch of kids who had little in common with each other except they all stood out as being extreme.

I do think that colleges who select for these outlier kids are going to get ones who struggle with mental health issues at a higher rate than the rest of humanity . Both because mental illness sometimes tracks with brilliance and because the pressure these kids have been under for so many years (from parents and from themselves) is really hard.

I doubt it has anything to do with what Princeton is doing or not doing. These kids arrive with these risk factors.

You are callous. Shame on you.

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Anonymous wrote:I went to Princeton 30 years ago. The social environment is challenging and competitive in a below the surface way. There is a lot of snubbing that goes on. The eating clubs drive this. It can be a cold place. I would have sent my kids just for the career opportunities if they got in (they never actually applied) but I’m glad they are at different schools. A lot of otherwise socially successful people struggled there. The gothic dorms, cold winters and heavy workloads don’t help.

Also went and agree 100% with this. I had mental health struggles there, which I did not have before nor since. It wasn’t about academic pressure at all for me, I did very well and that’s not my personality. For me it was about social/living stuff and social climate: being surrounded by ultra thin girls with very disordered eating, gross living conditions, and heavy drinking and hookup culture that was normalized/celebrated. It just wasn’t great for me. I also had several assistant professors and visiting lecturers who were consumed by stress about their tenure and career prospects and talked about their own problems openly and often, to the point where feeling bad for them was my main takeaway from their classes. I made good friends and had some great experiences as well but often felt at odds with the prevailing culture, which pp describes well.

I’m sure it’s different now in many ways though.

Pp here. Maybe I know you. The eating disorders were truly rampant. It’s a very idiosyncratic culture and it’s impossible for anyone to understand unless you’ve had exposure to it… Things have probably changed but whatever energy this was is probably hard to kill

Anonymous wrote:This is really tragic.

At the risk of sounding callous, my kids (senior and junior at 2 different schools) were recently talking about the kids going to X, Y or Z school. Princeton came up because they know about 8 different kids who got in from a mixture of privates and publics. It is the most interesting group of intense, odd and heavily parented kids you could imagine. Their conclusion was that it was a bunch of kids who had little in common with each other except they all stood out as being extreme.

I do think that colleges who select for these outlier kids are going to get ones who struggle with mental health issues at a higher rate than the rest of humanity . Both because mental illness sometimes tracks with brilliance and because the pressure these kids have been under for so many years (from parents and from themselves) is really hard.

I doubt it has anything to do with what Princeton is doing or not doing. These kids arrive with these risk factors.

Anonymous wrote:This is really tragic.

At the risk of sounding callous, my kids (senior and junior at 2 different schools) were recently talking about the kids going to X, Y or Z school. Princeton came up because they know about 8 different kids who got in from a mixture of privates and publics. It is the most interesting group of intense, odd and heavily parented kids you could imagine. Their conclusion was that it was a bunch of kids who had little in common with each other except they all stood out as being extreme.

I do think that colleges who select for these outlier kids are going to get ones who struggle with mental health issues at a higher rate than the rest of humanity . Both because mental illness sometimes tracks with brilliance and because the pressure these kids have been under for so many years (from parents and from themselves) is really hard.

I doubt it has anything to do with what Princeton is doing or not doing. These kids arrive with these risk factors.

Anonymous wrote:This is really tragic.

At the risk of sounding callous, my kids (senior and junior at 2 different schools) were recently talking about the kids going to X, Y or Z school. Princeton came up because they know about 8 different kids who got in from a mixture of privates and publics. It is the most interesting group of intense, odd and heavily parented kids you could imagine. Their conclusion was that it was a bunch of kids who had little in common with each other except they all stood out as being extreme.

I do think that colleges who select for these outlier kids are going to get ones who struggle with mental health issues at a higher rate than the rest of humanity . Both because mental illness sometimes tracks with brilliance and because the pressure these kids have been under for so many years (from parents and from themselves) is really hard.

I doubt it has anything to do with what Princeton is doing or not doing. These kids arrive with these risk factors.

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Anonymous wrote:I wonder if these suicides skew in the direction of FGLI. The problem is you take kids who are relatively unprepared/unqualified versus peers and toss them into one of the more academically rigorous environments in the U.S. where they struggle/fail. Add to this being a fish out of water socially. Princeton above all other schools has been aggressive about FGLI with 70 pct of students now receiving aid

Not sure about the current kid, but the previous two who died by suicide were a double legacy and a faculty kid.

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if these suicides skew in the direction of FGLI. The problem is you take kids who are relatively unprepared/unqualified versus peers and toss them into one of the more academically rigorous environments in the U.S. where they struggle/fail. Add to this being a fish out of water socially. Princeton above all other schools has been aggressive about FGLI with 70 pct of students now receiving aid

Anonymous wrote:I wonder if these suicides skew in the direction of FGLI. The problem is you take kids who are relatively unprepared/unqualified versus peers and toss them into one of the more academically rigorous environments in the U.S. where they struggle/fail. Add to this being a fish out of water socially. Princeton above all other schools has been aggressive about FGLI with 70 pct of students now receiving aid