Anonymous
04/20/2025 08:36
Subject: Anyone get telework approved at SEC?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How long do we expect this RTO to last? Make it until July? Is the consensus that the SEC union will win at arbitration?
Arbitration is just the beginning. Even if Union wins agency can appeal. Everyone goes in during appeal. We are talking years of process.
I think we are back to the office for the duration. Doesn’t matter if the union wins or loses. Other agencies are losing their unions.
I’m hopeful this won’t be the case. Once Philly and LA go to fully remote because they don’t have an office and misery rises and it becomes clear it is only way to improve morale (which Paul said he’d do) we will get some form of regular back.
When do LA and Philly go remote? I know there were dates in that email but don’t recall. IDK if I were LA or Philly right now I’d be worried that they’ll quietly put everyone on admin leave when the leases run out and then close those offices. Wasn’t that part of the plan for SEC - to consolidate and make it more DC centric? I hope I’m wrong. But I also don’t see how a few hundred ppl in LA and Philly makes them bring telework back.
Anyone else thing it’s shady that Paul hasn’t been sworn in yet? Is he having cold feet?
I always assumed he had to start at the beginning of a pay period like the rest of us plebes so could be Monday.
I heard Friday at the earliest - so it keeps being pushed back. Rumor has it he’s also unreachable - like not responding to calls or emails from commissioners. Not the mark of someone who wants to do this and was a commissioner himself who thought highly of the place. He’s either not coming or he’s going to come in and very quickly step down to “spend time with family.”
Anonymous
04/20/2025 07:38
Subject: Anyone get telework approved at SEC?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How long do we expect this RTO to last? Make it until July? Is the consensus that the SEC union will win at arbitration?
Arbitration is just the beginning. Even if Union wins agency can appeal. Everyone goes in during appeal. We are talking years of process.
I think we are back to the office for the duration. Doesn’t matter if the union wins or loses. Other agencies are losing their unions.
I’m hopeful this won’t be the case. Once Philly and LA go to fully remote because they don’t have an office and misery rises and it becomes clear it is only way to improve morale (which Paul said he’d do) we will get some form of regular back.
I am not sure if understand how lucky we are that there have been no rifs and we got a compensation adjustment for 2025. I am grateful for my job and my team is intact.
I don't get this attitude. First off, how do know we won't have a RIF? And second, for all the talk out there, I am not sure that people have been riffed. Other than HHS and the huge targets like usaid and cfpb, who else? SEC was never a target so not sure why I should be so glad to not be riffed. When the other financial regulator gets riffed then I will be very glad if we can actually avoid it.
Well said. There have been more posts on DCUM about “RIFs” than there are actual people who have been RIF’d!
Because they won’t come out and say “you’re safe from being riffed” so I can buy a second car to make RTO less of a nightmare. And they won’t say “you are on the list to be riffed” so I can cancel my kids’ Catholic school contract and get my house on the market. And they certainly aren’t giving me the vibe that I can just relax and trust them to take care of me.
Anonymous
04/20/2025 06:51
Subject: Anyone get telework approved at SEC?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How long do we expect this RTO to last? Make it until July? Is the consensus that the SEC union will win at arbitration?
Arbitration is just the beginning. Even if Union wins agency can appeal. Everyone goes in during appeal. We are talking years of process.
I think we are back to the office for the duration. Doesn’t matter if the union wins or loses. Other agencies are losing their unions.
I’m hopeful this won’t be the case. Once Philly and LA go to fully remote because they don’t have an office and misery rises and it becomes clear it is only way to improve morale (which Paul said he’d do) we will get some form of regular back.
I am not sure if understand how lucky we are that there have been no rifs and we got a compensation adjustment for 2025. I am grateful for my job and my team is intact.
I don't get this attitude. First off, how do know we won't have a RIF? And second, for all the talk out there, I am not sure that people have been riffed. Other than HHS and the huge targets like usaid and cfpb, who else? SEC was never a target so not sure why I should be so glad to not be riffed. When the other financial regulator gets riffed then I will be very glad if we can actually avoid it.
Well said. There have been more posts on DCUM about “RIFs” than there are actual people who have been RIF’d!
Anonymous
04/20/2025 06:47
Subject: Anyone get telework approved at SEC?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How long do we expect this RTO to last? Make it until July? Is the consensus that the SEC union will win at arbitration?
Arbitration is just the beginning. Even if Union wins agency can appeal. Everyone goes in during appeal. We are talking years of process.
I think we are back to the office for the duration. Doesn’t matter if the union wins or loses. Other agencies are losing their unions.
I’m hopeful this won’t be the case. Once Philly and LA go to fully remote because they don’t have an office and misery rises and it becomes clear it is only way to improve morale (which Paul said he’d do) we will get some form of regular back.
When do LA and Philly go remote? I know there were dates in that email but don’t recall. IDK if I were LA or Philly right now I’d be worried that they’ll quietly put everyone on admin leave when the leases run out and then close those offices. Wasn’t that part of the plan for SEC - to consolidate and make it more DC centric? I hope I’m wrong. But I also don’t see how a few hundred ppl in LA and Philly makes them bring telework back.
Anyone else thing it’s shady that Paul hasn’t been sworn in yet? Is he having cold feet?
Probably cold feet. If you’re in your 60s and worth $300 million with your own company, why on earth would you choose to go “lead” an organization where you have zero authority and just have to implement whatever opm and doge tells you to? While morale is zero
and your budget is likely to be severely cut. Doesn’t sound very interesting, fun, or career enhancing.
Anonymous
04/20/2025 06:37
Subject: Anyone get telework approved at SEC?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How long do we expect this RTO to last? Make it until July? Is the consensus that the SEC union will win at arbitration?
Arbitration is just the beginning. Even if Union wins agency can appeal. Everyone goes in during appeal. We are talking years of process.
I think we are back to the office for the duration. Doesn’t matter if the union wins or loses. Other agencies are losing their unions.
I’m hopeful this won’t be the case. Once Philly and LA go to fully remote because they don’t have an office and misery rises and it becomes clear it is only way to improve morale (which Paul said he’d do) we will get some form of regular back.
When do LA and Philly go remote? I know there were dates in that email but don’t recall. IDK if I were LA or Philly right now I’d be worried that they’ll quietly put everyone on admin leave when the leases run out and then close those offices. Wasn’t that part of the plan for SEC - to consolidate and make it more DC centric? I hope I’m wrong. But I also don’t see how a few hundred ppl in LA and Philly makes them bring telework back.
Anyone else thing it’s shady that Paul hasn’t been sworn in yet? Is he having cold feet?
I always assumed he had to start at the beginning of a pay period like the rest of us plebes so could be Monday.
Anonymous
04/20/2025 00:17
Subject: Anyone get telework approved at SEC?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How long do we expect this RTO to last? Make it until July? Is the consensus that the SEC union will win at arbitration?
Arbitration is just the beginning. Even if Union wins agency can appeal. Everyone goes in during appeal. We are talking years of process.
I think we are back to the office for the duration. Doesn’t matter if the union wins or loses. Other agencies are losing their unions.
I’m hopeful this won’t be the case. Once Philly and LA go to fully remote because they don’t have an office and misery rises and it becomes clear it is only way to improve morale (which Paul said he’d do) we will get some form of regular back.
When do LA and Philly go remote? I know there were dates in that email but don’t recall. IDK if I were LA or Philly right now I’d be worried that they’ll quietly put everyone on admin leave when the leases run out and then close those offices. Wasn’t that part of the plan for SEC - to consolidate and make it more DC centric? I hope I’m wrong. But I also don’t see how a few hundred ppl in LA and Philly makes them bring telework back.
Anyone else thing it’s shady that Paul hasn’t been sworn in yet? Is he having cold feet?
Anonymous
04/19/2025 22:42
Subject: Anyone get telework approved at SEC?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How long do we expect this RTO to last? Make it until July? Is the consensus that the SEC union will win at arbitration?
Arbitration is just the beginning. Even if Union wins agency can appeal. Everyone goes in during appeal. We are talking years of process.
I think we are back to the office for the duration. Doesn’t matter if the union wins or loses. Other agencies are losing their unions.
I’m hopeful this won’t be the case. Once Philly and LA go to fully remote because they don’t have an office and misery rises and it becomes clear it is only way to improve morale (which Paul said he’d do) we will get some form of regular back.
I am not sure if understand how lucky we are that there have been no rifs and we got a compensation adjustment for 2025. I am grateful for my job and my team is intact.
I don't get this attitude. First off, how do know we won't have a RIF? And second, for all the talk out there, I am not sure that people have been riffed. Other than HHS and the huge targets like usaid and cfpb, who else? SEC was never a target so not sure why I should be so glad to not be riffed. When the other financial regulator gets riffed then I will be very glad if we can actually avoid it.
SEC was never a target? Senor Musk would like a word with you.
Anonymous
04/19/2025 22:03
Subject: Anyone get telework approved at SEC?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How long do we expect this RTO to last? Make it until July? Is the consensus that the SEC union will win at arbitration?
Arbitration is just the beginning. Even if Union wins agency can appeal. Everyone goes in during appeal. We are talking years of process.
I think we are back to the office for the duration. Doesn’t matter if the union wins or loses. Other agencies are losing their unions.
I’m hopeful this won’t be the case. Once Philly and LA go to fully remote because they don’t have an office and misery rises and it becomes clear it is only way to improve morale (which Paul said he’d do) we will get some form of regular back.
I am not sure if understand how lucky we are that there have been no rifs and we got a compensation adjustment for 2025. I am grateful for my job and my team is intact.
I don't get this attitude. First off, how do know we won't have a RIF? And second, for all the talk out there, I am not sure that people have been riffed. Other than HHS and the huge targets like usaid and cfpb, who else? SEC was never a target so not sure why I should be so glad to not be riffed. When the other financial regulator gets riffed then I will be very glad if we can actually avoid it.
Anonymous
04/19/2025 20:50
Subject: Anyone get telework approved at SEC?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How long do we expect this RTO to last? Make it until July? Is the consensus that the SEC union will win at arbitration?
Arbitration is just the beginning. Even if Union wins agency can appeal. Everyone goes in during appeal. We are talking years of process.
I think we are back to the office for the duration. Doesn’t matter if the union wins or loses. Other agencies are losing their unions.
I’m hopeful this won’t be the case. Once Philly and LA go to fully remote because they don’t have an office and misery rises and it becomes clear it is only way to improve morale (which Paul said he’d do) we will get some form of regular back.
I am not sure if understand how lucky we are that there have been no rifs and we got a compensation adjustment for 2025. I am grateful for my job and my team is intact.
Great. Lower your standards and be happy for whatever you get. Kinda like a prisoner who has succumbed to their capture. I will be just fine but I will not grovel at how grateful I am that they didn’t RIF PEOPLE (for what would’ve been the first time in agency history).
DP. Nobody asked you to grovel, but your idea that WFH will return in order to improve morale is extremely optimistic. I'm not even convinced we're in the clear on RIFs. I hope you're right and I'm wrong.
I know a lot of people who have been RIFd or laid off into this historically bad economy. RTO sucks and it's a breach of contract but I can also be grateful I have my job and realistic about who has the bargaining power right now.
Anonymous
04/19/2025 20:35
Subject: Anyone get telework approved at SEC?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:He has “handlers”?
I think he wrote it.
I really hope they offer some type of departure - Vera, DRP or something - after the budget is finalized in September.
+1. Keeping this job is not worth RTO.
I expect there will be another round of VSIP/VERA offered in the next month or two.
Don't think so. Too many have left already
I have heard both answers on this. I am also really hoping for a way out that lets me get the VERA benefits.
Anonymous
04/19/2025 20:21
Subject: Anyone get telework approved at SEC?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How long do we expect this RTO to last? Make it until July? Is the consensus that the SEC union will win at arbitration?
Arbitration is just the beginning. Even if Union wins agency can appeal. Everyone goes in during appeal. We are talking years of process.
I think we are back to the office for the duration. Doesn’t matter if the union wins or loses. Other agencies are losing their unions.
I’m hopeful this won’t be the case. Once Philly and LA go to fully remote because they don’t have an office and misery rises and it becomes clear it is only way to improve morale (which Paul said he’d do) we will get some form of regular back.
I am not sure if understand how lucky we are that there have been no rifs and we got a compensation adjustment for 2025. I am grateful for my job and my team is intact.
It’s just the compensation bump every other federal employee got in January. The fact that the union allowed the standard bump to be vulnerable to shenanigans in the first place is a disgrace.
Anonymous
04/19/2025 20:13
Subject: Anyone get telework approved at SEC?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How long do we expect this RTO to last? Make it until July? Is the consensus that the SEC union will win at arbitration?
Arbitration is just the beginning. Even if Union wins agency can appeal. Everyone goes in during appeal. We are talking years of process.
I think we are back to the office for the duration. Doesn’t matter if the union wins or loses. Other agencies are losing their unions.
I’m hopeful this won’t be the case. Once Philly and LA go to fully remote because they don’t have an office and misery rises and it becomes clear it is only way to improve morale (which Paul said he’d do) we will get some form of regular back.
I am not sure if understand how lucky we are that there have been no rifs and we got a compensation adjustment for 2025. I am grateful for my job and my team is intact.
It's not like they did us a favor on the comp adjustment, there was a contract. Unlike breaching the CBA where the only penalty is posting a note when they lose on comp there is an actual monetary award against the agency and they have to pay up.
Anonymous
04/19/2025 20:12
Subject: Anyone get telework approved at SEC?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How long do we expect this RTO to last? Make it until July? Is the consensus that the SEC union will win at arbitration?
Arbitration is just the beginning. Even if Union wins agency can appeal. Everyone goes in during appeal. We are talking years of process.
I think we are back to the office for the duration. Doesn’t matter if the union wins or loses. Other agencies are losing their unions.
I’m hopeful this won’t be the case. Once Philly and LA go to fully remote because they don’t have an office and misery rises and it becomes clear it is only way to improve morale (which Paul said he’d do) we will get some form of regular back.
I am not sure if understand how lucky we are that there have been no rifs and we got a compensation adjustment for 2025. I am grateful for my job and my team is intact.
Great. Lower your standards and be happy for whatever you get. Kinda like a prisoner who has succumbed to their capture. I will be just fine but I will not grovel at how grateful I am that they didn’t RIF PEOPLE (for what would’ve been the first time in agency history).
Anonymous
04/19/2025 20:05
Subject: Anyone get telework approved at SEC?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How long do we expect this RTO to last? Make it until July? Is the consensus that the SEC union will win at arbitration?
Arbitration is just the beginning. Even if Union wins agency can appeal. Everyone goes in during appeal. We are talking years of process.
I think we are back to the office for the duration. Doesn’t matter if the union wins or loses. Other agencies are losing their unions.
I’m hopeful this won’t be the case. Once Philly and LA go to fully remote because they don’t have an office and misery rises and it becomes clear it is only way to improve morale (which Paul said he’d do) we will get some form of regular back.
I am not sure if understand how lucky we are that there have been no rifs and we got a compensation adjustment for 2025. I am grateful for my job and my team is intact.
Anonymous
04/19/2025 20:02
Subject: Anyone get telework approved at SEC?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:How long do we expect this RTO to last? Make it until July? Is the consensus that the SEC union will win at arbitration?
Arbitration is just the beginning. Even if Union wins agency can appeal. Everyone goes in during appeal. We are talking years of process.
I think we are back to the office for the duration. Doesn’t matter if the union wins or loses. Other agencies are losing their unions.
I’m hopeful this won’t be the case. Once Philly and LA go to fully remote because they don’t have an office and misery rises and it becomes clear it is only way to improve morale (which Paul said he’d do) we will get some form of regular back.