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Anonymous wrote:OP - I am in exactly the same boat you are in. On the smallest dose, I can’t imagine that the most harmful side effects even happen. And my doc is telling me that they are finding these meds to be beneficial in other ways, for example to help with autoimmune diseases.

My prescriber is a small woman, she has no weight to lose or worry about maintaining, and she takes a GLP-1 once a month because she believes in the studies showing the long-term benefits in staving off dementia.

Wow, the world really has gone nuts hasn’t it. Hint: there are no studies that show normal weight people who take a GLP1 once a month stave off dementia.

Honest question not mean to be snarky, why are you so anti GLP-1s? What's your personal beef with it?

What’s my personal beef with people with eating disorders using fake health claims to justify what they do? Is that really the question?

By the way, I am far from the only one commenting strongly on this topic.

Yes, that's exactly the question. I could see you feeling sorry for people you think have eating disorders using this method to lose more weight. Or perhaps being worried for them. But instead you seem personally angry at them. You're acting like the choice to take a GLP-1 when not obese is a personal affront to you. Is there a reason?

Not pp. But it contributes to a highly misogynistic culture that feeds an epidemic of disordered eating. Teenage girls die of heart attacks thanks to this.

20 is a healthy BMI. 18-25 is recommended to reduce strain on your heart. OP is not causing anorexia or heart attacks.

A BMI of 20 is normal weight ... but normal goes all the way up to 24.9, and we don't tend to get thinner as we age and approach/enter menopause. No 44 year-old woman should be taking anti-obesity meds to get to a BMi of 20.

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Anonymous wrote:OP - I am in exactly the same boat you are in. On the smallest dose, I can’t imagine that the most harmful side effects even happen. And my doc is telling me that they are finding these meds to be beneficial in other ways, for example to help with autoimmune diseases.

My prescriber is a small woman, she has no weight to lose or worry about maintaining, and she takes a GLP-1 once a month because she believes in the studies showing the long-term benefits in staving off dementia.

Wow, the world really has gone nuts hasn’t it. Hint: there are no studies that show normal weight people who take a GLP1 once a month stave off dementia.

Honest question not mean to be snarky, why are you so anti GLP-1s? What's your personal beef with it?

What’s my personal beef with people with eating disorders using fake health claims to justify what they do? Is that really the question?

By the way, I am far from the only one commenting strongly on this topic.

Yes, that's exactly the question. I could see you feeling sorry for people you think have eating disorders using this method to lose more weight. Or perhaps being worried for them. But instead you seem personally angry at them. You're acting like the choice to take a GLP-1 when not obese is a personal affront to you. Is there a reason?

NP. I see it as them leaning into their eating disorder, not trying to fight against.

Different NP here. It’s also just participating in all the old crap where only thin women have value - not even normal weight, but thin. It’s to separate and be better-than, like the woman upthread who would literally choose death over “fat,” whatever her definition of fat is. There is something vicious and cruel towards all women, especially heavier other women, when you eagerly participate in this out of economic advantage. It always has knock-on effects. The attitude always contaminates, beginning with what you model for your kids, how your social treatment influences in turn how you treat others. It radiates and ripples out from each of us and it’s simply a lie to say it doesn’t.

I used to love watching figure skating and I remember well how Midori Ito, one of the best ever women, made it to the Olympics, described how awful it was to have a perfectly normal athletic body to power her in the sport she loved described as fat and ugly. It wasn’t! But reality doesn’t matter much when everyone seemingly decides fo deride, nastily and viciously, every fckin body type besides extremely thin frames on women from puberty to grave.

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Anonymous wrote:OP - I am in exactly the same boat you are in. On the smallest dose, I can’t imagine that the most harmful side effects even happen. And my doc is telling me that they are finding these meds to be beneficial in other ways, for example to help with autoimmune diseases.

My prescriber is a small woman, she has no weight to lose or worry about maintaining, and she takes a GLP-1 once a month because she believes in the studies showing the long-term benefits in staving off dementia.

Wow, the world really has gone nuts hasn’t it. Hint: there are no studies that show normal weight people who take a GLP1 once a month stave off dementia.

Honest question not mean to be snarky, why are you so anti GLP-1s? What's your personal beef with it?

What’s my personal beef with people with eating disorders using fake health claims to justify what they do? Is that really the question?

By the way, I am far from the only one commenting strongly on this topic.

Yes, that's exactly the question. I could see you feeling sorry for people you think have eating disorders using this method to lose more weight. Or perhaps being worried for them. But instead you seem personally angry at them. You're acting like the choice to take a GLP-1 when not obese is a personal affront to you. Is there a reason?

Not pp. But it contributes to a highly misogynistic culture that feeds an epidemic of disordered eating. Teenage girls die of heart attacks thanks to this.

20 is a healthy BMI. 18-25 is recommended to reduce strain on your heart. OP is not causing anorexia or heart attacks.

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Anonymous wrote:It is surprising how angry people get about weight loss drugs. They think it’s cheating and why don’t we just reduce calories and go for a run like they do? My doctor told me that people in their fifties can lose 10-15 pounds that way, but it’s much rarer for people to lose 30-40 pounds that way… which is what I’d like to do. I’m only 10-12 pounds overweight, but for most of my adult life I was 30 pounds lighter. I am like the PP who said I know how to keep it off once it’s off! So I am treating the (idea of) the meds as a jumpstart. With covid and menopause and laziness, I am 30-40 pounds heavier than I would like. I am interested in these drugs to help me get back there.

You need to research how these drugs work. They change your appetite hormones - you will not necessarily “know how to keep it off” after you stop them because you may feel much hungrier and your metabolism may have completely changed. Not to mention the increased risk of osteoporosis and loss of muscle. For women in their 50s+, a BMI of 26 is actually the healthiest. No competent doctor would recommend d that a slightly overweight woman in her 50s-60s take Wegovy.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t post in Diet and Exercise and assume everyone else is too stupid to read the paper of record. I think that kind of attitude might contribute to your belly rolls. 😉

That's an interesting hypothesis but i am confused about how it would work? The premise is wrong of course, i don't assume everyone is stupid, I notice that too many are aggressive and mean, that's very different. But back to your point, how would a person belief that everyone else is stupid makes their belly fat? It reads as a negative connotation for people with belly rolls but given what you previously said it couldn't possibly that. Tell me more?

I couldn’t be referencing your own comments and contempt, right? You seem off enough to be surprised to get nastiness in return after going for near everyone’s throat and telling them they could burn calories by doing something else, trying to throw in body blows because you were pissed that an apparent fair number of women didn’t want to pretend you were sincere in your too cute by half posts. Strains a little credulity to post that you thought you could see signs of successful body recomposition in one month, no? Good luck with the grand experiment.

You really think there is no way of seeing signs of body decomposition in a month ? (Genuine question)

Ha that sounded unintentionally sneery. I actually meant to type recomposition

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t post in Diet and Exercise and assume everyone else is too stupid to read the paper of record. I think that kind of attitude might contribute to your belly rolls. 😉

That's an interesting hypothesis but i am confused about how it would work? The premise is wrong of course, i don't assume everyone is stupid, I notice that too many are aggressive and mean, that's very different. But back to your point, how would a person belief that everyone else is stupid makes their belly fat? It reads as a negative connotation for people with belly rolls but given what you previously said it couldn't possibly that. Tell me more?

I couldn’t be referencing your own comments and contempt, right? You seem off enough to be surprised to get nastiness in return after going for near everyone’s throat and telling them they could burn calories by doing something else, trying to throw in body blows because you were pissed that an apparent fair number of women didn’t want to pretend you were sincere in your too cute by half posts. Strains a little credulity to post that you thought you could see signs of successful body recomposition in one month, no? Good luck with the grand experiment.

You really think there is no way of seeing signs of body decomposition in a month ? (Genuine question)

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t post in Diet and Exercise and assume everyone else is too stupid to read the paper of record. I think that kind of attitude might contribute to your belly rolls. 😉

That's an interesting hypothesis but i am confused about how it would work? The premise is wrong of course, i don't assume everyone is stupid, I notice that too many are aggressive and mean, that's very different. But back to your point, how would a person belief that everyone else is stupid makes their belly fat? It reads as a negative connotation for people with belly rolls but given what you previously said it couldn't possibly that. Tell me more?

I couldn’t be referencing your own comments and contempt, right? You seem off enough to be surprised to get nastiness in return after going for near everyone’s throat and telling them they could burn calories by doing something else, trying to throw in body blows because you were pissed that an apparent fair number of women didn’t want to pretend you were sincere in your too cute by half posts. Strains a little credulity to post that you thought you could see signs of successful body recomposition in one month, no? Good luck with the grand experiment.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t post in Diet and Exercise and assume everyone else is too stupid to read the paper of record. I think that kind of attitude might contribute to your belly rolls. 😉

That's an interesting hypothesis but i am confused about how it would work? The premise is wrong of course, i don't assume everyone is stupid, I notice that too many are aggressive and mean, that's very different. But back to your point, how would a person belief that everyone else is stupid makes their belly fat? It reads as a negative connotation for people with belly rolls but given what you previously said it couldn't possibly that. Tell me more?

Anonymous wrote:Don’t post in Diet and Exercise and assume everyone else is too stupid to read the paper of record. I think that kind of attitude might contribute to your belly rolls. 😉

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Anonymous wrote:OP - I am in exactly the same boat you are in. On the smallest dose, I can’t imagine that the most harmful side effects even happen. And my doc is telling me that they are finding these meds to be beneficial in other ways, for example to help with autoimmune diseases.

My prescriber is a small woman, she has no weight to lose or worry about maintaining, and she takes a GLP-1 once a month because she believes in the studies showing the long-term benefits in staving off dementia.

Wow, the world really has gone nuts hasn’t it. Hint: there are no studies that show normal weight people who take a GLP1 once a month stave off dementia.

Honest question not mean to be snarky, why are you so anti GLP-1s? What's your personal beef with it?

What’s my personal beef with people with eating disorders using fake health claims to justify what they do? Is that really the question?

By the way, I am far from the only one commenting strongly on this topic.

Yes, that's exactly the question. I could see you feeling sorry for people you think have eating disorders using this method to lose more weight. Or perhaps being worried for them. But instead you seem personally angry at them. You're acting like the choice to take a GLP-1 when not obese is a personal affront to you. Is there a reason?

NP. I see it as them leaning into their eating disorder, not trying to fight against.

Different NP here. It’s also just participating in all the old crap where only thin women have value - not even normal weight, but thin. It’s to separate and be better-than, like the woman upthread who would literally choose death over “fat,” whatever her definition of fat is. There is something vicious and cruel towards all women, especially heavier other women, when you eagerly participate in this out of economic advantage. It always has knock-on effects. The attitude always contaminates, beginning with what you model for your kids, how your social treatment influences in turn how you treat others. It radiates and ripples out from each of us and it’s simply a lie to say it doesn’t.

I used to love watching figure skating and I remember well how Midori Ito, one of the best ever women, made it to the Olympics, described how awful it was to have a perfectly normal athletic body to power her in the sport she loved described as fat and ugly. It wasn’t! But reality doesn’t matter much when everyone seemingly decides fo deride, nastily and viciously, every fckin body type besides extremely thin frames on women from puberty to grave.

Surya Bonaly is another skater that was constantly vilified for not fitting the mold despite her spectacular athletic abilities (too muscular, too black for figure skating). The treatment from the judges was heart breaking.

I hear you PP. But in the fight for acceptance of all bodies, not only the thin ones, some of you are not choosing the most convincing arms. I could appreciate the post above because it was more measured and it made me think. But if you are also one of those who just said "you are insane", "you are awful", "you are anorexic", "You should suffer" etc.. without having the tiniest doubt that you may not understand someone else's body and you are just not liking the numbers you read or the goals they have because they don't match your reality, then you end up just as intolerant and vicious as the rest. (I am the skinny fat OP of the other thread with her month challenge to lower her 34% body fat).

And in that context the contamination you participate in may be the anti-thinness standard, which you could be happy with, but it is also the contamination/ spreading of a nasty way of talking to other women about their bodies, of judging them for their bodies and their choices.

This reminds me of the SAHM/WOH mom debates of some other threads. The losers here are tolerance, civility and empathy.

I just posted but - oh man! Wait a minute: you are the poster who sneered at others that they should be protesting today because it “burns calories” and you have the temerity to tell others to reflect? You are that OP - and you abandoned your threat because YOU were nasty. I was not there or posting to you, but I read every post.

Hope you felt fulfilled engaging in your First Amendment rights today!

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Anonymous wrote:OP - I am in exactly the same boat you are in. On the smallest dose, I can’t imagine that the most harmful side effects even happen. And my doc is telling me that they are finding these meds to be beneficial in other ways, for example to help with autoimmune diseases.

My prescriber is a small woman, she has no weight to lose or worry about maintaining, and she takes a GLP-1 once a month because she believes in the studies showing the long-term benefits in staving off dementia.

Wow, the world really has gone nuts hasn’t it. Hint: there are no studies that show normal weight people who take a GLP1 once a month stave off dementia.

Honest question not mean to be snarky, why are you so anti GLP-1s? What's your personal beef with it?

What’s my personal beef with people with eating disorders using fake health claims to justify what they do? Is that really the question?

By the way, I am far from the only one commenting strongly on this topic.

Yes, that's exactly the question. I could see you feeling sorry for people you think have eating disorders using this method to lose more weight. Or perhaps being worried for them. But instead you seem personally angry at them. You're acting like the choice to take a GLP-1 when not obese is a personal affront to you. Is there a reason?

NP. I see it as them leaning into their eating disorder, not trying to fight against.

Different NP here. It’s also just participating in all the old crap where only thin women have value - not even normal weight, but thin. It’s to separate and be better-than, like the woman upthread who would literally choose death over “fat,” whatever her definition of fat is. There is something vicious and cruel towards all women, especially heavier other women, when you eagerly participate in this out of economic advantage. It always has knock-on effects. The attitude always contaminates, beginning with what you model for your kids, how your social treatment influences in turn how you treat others. It radiates and ripples out from each of us and it’s simply a lie to say it doesn’t.

I used to love watching figure skating and I remember well how Midori Ito, one of the best ever women, made it to the Olympics, described how awful it was to have a perfectly normal athletic body to power her in the sport she loved described as fat and ugly. It wasn’t! But reality doesn’t matter much when everyone seemingly decides fo deride, nastily and viciously, every fckin body type besides extremely thin frames on women from puberty to grave.

Surya Bonaly is another skater that was constantly vilified for not fitting the mold despite her spectacular athletic abilities (too muscular, too black for figure skating). The treatment from the judges was heart breaking.

I hear you PP. But in the fight for acceptance of all bodies, not only the thin ones, some of you are not choosing the most convincing arms. I could appreciate the post above because it was more measured and it made me think. But if you are also one of those who just said "you are insane", "you are awful", "you are anorexic", "You should suffer" etc.. without having the tiniest doubt that you may not understand someone else's body and you are just not liking the numbers you read or the goals they have because they don't match your reality, then you end up just as intolerant and vicious as the rest. (I am the skinny fat OP of the other thread with her month challenge to lower her 34% body fat).

And in that context the contamination you participate in may be the anti-thinness standard, which you could be happy with, but it is also the contamination/ spreading of a nasty way of talking to other women about their bodies, of judging them for their bodies and their choices.

This reminds me of the SAHM/WOH mom debates of some other threads. The losers here are tolerance, civility and empathy.