Here comes AI

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14369147/doge-artificial-intelligence-federal-government-elon-musk.html

To all the snarky posters, can you just STFU? We are not in "normal" times. Nothing happening now is normal.

Anonymous wrote:Would love for a genuine face to come out and guarantee this is legitimate. If it is on the up and up there is no reason not to have a press conference with a live human, take a few questions or not - whatever. It would not be just random unsigned “HR” emails always sent outside normal business hours but no one actually talking about it.

Right? such unmitigated scamminess and so disrespectful.

Anonymous wrote:Time to read the fine print. An undated FORK Agreement came out this morning. People over 40:are agreeing to waive a bunch of rights (sad none of the 20 year olds knew about the law protecting people 40+ beforehand) and it is not “subject to appropriation”.

Sign it.
Go on Admin leave 3/1
Stay on Admin Leave until 3/14, when the CR expires (exactly 10 days of Admin leave, which is the legal limit, so not a coincidence)
Get forked over, unless the Freedom Caucus decides to authorize $$ for Feds to sit at home for 7 months and extends Admin leave allowed. (Do you know how badly that giveaway to Fed plays in deep state hating MAGA-land, where a bunch of people were load off with no severance?)
— and if you are not appropriated after 3/14, that will be your resignation date. You can’t collect VERA once you’ve resigned. L[b]

Who would take a deal whose terms get worse every day?

What are you trying to say here? I’m not following.

Stay on Admin Leave until 3/14, when the CR expires (exactly 10 days of Admin leave, which is the legal limit, so not a coincidence)

Anonymous wrote:Ohhh. Good catch!

Exactly.

Oopsie! We totally really through this bridge we were selling you actually belonged to us and that you could totally make money from it. Our bad. But looks like you signed away any access to arbitration to taking us to court, so, that sucks for you. Byyyyyyye!

Anonymous wrote:Rep. Beyer letter to federal workers

https://beyer.house.gov/news/email/show.aspx?ID=OXLQQXFGBCMNEAVFTPFAMMQXRI

Never heard of them

Rep. Beyer letter to federal workers

https://beyer.house.gov/news/email/show.aspx?ID=OXLQQXFGBCMNEAVFTPFAMMQXRI

Stay on Admin Leave until 3/14, when the CR expires (exactly 10 days of Admin leave, which is the legal limit, so not a coincidence)

Ohhh. Good catch!

This deal is for suckers. Why anyone, even a young probationary employee, would for a second believe a couple of charlatans shopping an illegal "deal" would follow through is beyond me. And no unemployment for you. This only makes sense for people who are already eligible to retire, and I don't even trust that. Somehow I feel they'll figure out a way to screw them over too (beyond stiffing them on the free pay for 6 months).

Anonymous wrote:Would love for a genuine face to come out and guarantee this is legitimate. If it is on the up and up there is no reason not to have a press conference with a live human, take a few questions or not - whatever. It would not be just random unsigned “HR” emails always sent outside normal business hours but no one actually talking about it.

you know that won't happen specifically because it is a scam. I am nearly positive that the teenagers are being set up to take any legal fall for this.

Would love for a genuine face to come out and guarantee this is legitimate. If it is on the up and up there is no reason not to have a press conference with a live human, take a few questions or not - whatever. It would not be just random unsigned “HR” emails always sent outside normal business hours but no one actually talking about it.

Is there any detail being reported about the people who have volunteered to fork? I Would be interested in seeing the breakdown of the supposed 40K thus far. What percentage were eligible for full retirement already? What percentage were probationary who assume they're going to get canned anyway? What is the average and median ages and years of civil service for this group? 40k is a small number compared to the pool of eligible takers. I think we'll learn that this fork effort will result in an enormous brain drain where we lose our most skilled and experienced professionals. Plus the whole fork offer is fraught. I personally think it was a way for people to show their hand to Musk so now he knows who was willing to leave and therefore can be fired, furloughed , whatever.

Time to read the fine print. An undated FORK Agreement came out this morning. People over 40:are agreeing to waive a bunch of rights (sad none of the 20 year olds knew about the law protecting people 40+ beforehand) and it is not “subject to appropriation”.

Sign it.
Go on Admin leave 3/1
Stay on Admin Leave until 3/14, when the CR expires (exactly 10 days of Admin leave, which is the legal limit, so not a coincidence)
Get forked over, unless the Freedom Caucus decides to authorize $$ for Feds to sit at home for 7 months and extends Admin leave allowed. (Do you know how badly that giveaway to Fed plays in deep state hating MAGA-land, where a bunch of people were load off with no severance?)
— and if you are not appropriated after 3/14, that will be your resignation date. You can’t collect VERA once you’ve resigned. So all the— extra money until VERA folks are double forked.

Who would take a deal whose terms get worse every day?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is signing the deferred resignation offer somehow worse than just normally resigning? At this point, I just want to get out of the federal government. The chance that I’ll get admin leave is nice, but I don’t care if I don’t get it. Should I sign it? Or would I actually be worse off signing this agreement than if I just resigned normally?

Worst case scenario is ethics prevents you from getting a second job, you collect 7 months of administrative leave pay, and the program is deemed illegal and you have to pay it back. There's caselaw that when the government makes a mistake you still have to pay them back.

Actually I think worst case is your agency accepting your resignation and not paying at all. You waive all your rights to appeal or take any action regarding what happens when you take the offer.

Not really the deal doesn't say that and the only thing that logically goes to court is any agreement to rescind appeals if they go against laws. Why would anyone sue to not to get paid, it would be political suicide if the Democrats started suing to NOT pay people and take on the positives of the deal.

No, you'd try to sue after President Musk decides 8 months of admin leave is illegal and refuses to pay it.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is signing the deferred resignation offer somehow worse than just normally resigning? At this point, I just want to get out of the federal government. The chance that I’ll get admin leave is nice, but I don’t care if I don’t get it. Should I sign it? Or would I actually be worse off signing this agreement than if I just resigned normally?

Worst case scenario is ethics prevents you from getting a second job, you collect 7 months of administrative leave pay, and the program is deemed illegal and you have to pay it back. There's caselaw that when the government makes a mistake you still have to pay them back.

Lol you think that this will help the Democrats? Let's sue to not pay people under the deal. Wow. Cutting off your nose to spite your face