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Anonymous wrote:Did you ever notice she can’t feel anger in her songs? It is always dressed in either sarcasm, seeking vengeance or delivered in a monotone.
But she doesn’t really allow herself to feel it in her music.

Blank space- she is angry but uses “satire”. Look what you made me do: monotone.
The song about killing someone’s wife: monotone.

Even in mad woman, she covers up angry lyrics with peaceful piano. This is the biggest level of misogyny out there (that women shouldn’t express anger) and she does little to break the barrier.
DO you think she plays it safe when it comes to anger? I think she never really owns anger with her voice and feelings, but she talks about it in a removed way.

Have you listened to The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived?

I just tried. The first 40 seconds are the same 3 notes, with a tinkly piano. It’s mean, but not angry. The music behind her is tinkly and her voice is far too smooth to denote anger even though the words may come from anger, it doesn’t show in her voice or the music. Later on the piano gets a little more strident, but then she is singing about not being able to say anything and just “dying inside.”

Own that anger, Taylor, say it to the person you are mad at, don’t make a tinkly song about it half denying your feelings. (By that, I mean the musical half).

This is where the idea that she is always a victim comes from. Her lyrics don’t match the tone of the songs and her vocal style, she claims anger, but it never shows in the music or her voice, and then her lyrics come across as mean.

OTOH, if she were up there getting righteously angry, she wouldn’t be the good girl role model for young girls. A true Catch 22 this misogyny stuff.

Interesting. I can feel the anger and hurt, so different strokes. Fans may also have a different experience because they’re familiar with her live shows. Songs like “The Smallest Man…” and “Illicit Affairs” are sung differently live. There’s a reason they call her show/latest album “Female Rage: The Musical.”

I'm a casual listener through my kids, but I definitely hear anger in some of her songs. Whose right is it to tell someone else how to demonstrate anger whether loud and brash or more subdued, EITHER way?

Oh jeez- of course she has the “right” to express her anger how she wants to. Duh- I just never hear the passion of say Adele’s hurt or Alanis’ anger in her voice. To ME, it isn’t there. She just doesn’t let herself get into her songs. And yes, I am only me, but this thread is asking if I (and you) like Taylor Swift. And I am explaining that she doens’t appeal to me and trying to figure out why. When I listen to her, I want to tell her to actually SING about that, not just whisper it away. I hear hurt, meanness and woe, not anger. Like she lashes out, but needs to do it sweetly rather than angrily. Woven into that is the damper of misogyny.

Of course she gets to express herself how she (or really how her fans want her to if you listen to her describe her plight in Ms. Americana) wants to. That is the last thing i would want to say to another person, that you should express something ONLY a certain way. But as a listener, I also can say that I don’t hear very much anger or passion in her songs. To me, she sounds like she is holding back and so she appeals less to me than other artists.

Anonymous wrote:As a longtime Taylor Swift fan who considers herself a Swiftie, I must say I am quite disappointed by the revelations about the extent of her collusion with Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively in the smear campaign against Justin Baldoni and the insidious attempt to steal the intellectual property rights of the Colleen Hoover book.

I mindlessly consumed the narrative Taylor told about herself as a perpetual innocent ingénue who is a victim to the machinations of evil Hollywood types. Color me truly surprised to find that she is one of the worst. For the first time, I am glad I did not attend the Eras tour.

I don’t think she was running point on that. And I would bet she never speaks to Blake and Ryan again. They’re low class grifters who were using her.

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Anonymous wrote:As a longtime Taylor Swift fan who considers herself a Swiftie, I must say I am quite disappointed by the revelations about the extent of her collusion with Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively in the smear campaign against Justin Baldoni and the insidious attempt to steal the intellectual property rights of the Colleen Hoover book.

I mindlessly consumed the narrative Taylor told about herself as a perpetual innocent ingénue who is a victim to the machinations of evil Hollywood types. Color me truly surprised to find that she is one of the worst. For the first time, I am glad I did not attend the Eras tour.

Uh, I would hold off on your righteous indignation on that one....

Uh, I wouldn’t…..

Anonymous wrote:As a longtime Taylor Swift fan who considers herself a Swiftie, I must say I am quite disappointed by the revelations about the extent of her collusion with Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively in the smear campaign against Justin Baldoni and the insidious attempt to steal the intellectual property rights of the Colleen Hoover book.

I mindlessly consumed the narrative Taylor told about herself as a perpetual innocent ingénue who is a victim to the machinations of evil Hollywood types. Color me truly surprised to find that she is one of the worst. For the first time, I am glad I did not attend the Eras tour.

Uh, I would hold off on your righteous indignation on that one....

She made playlists of her songs on Apple Music/Spotify for each of the 5 stages of grief. “You Don’t Get to Tell Me About Sad” is the anger playlist.

Seriously though: “Don’t be too angry.” “No, wait, be angry or you’re inauthentic.” “No, not like that, perform anger the way I think it should sound.”

Who does this to male performers?

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Anonymous wrote:Did you ever notice she can’t feel anger in her songs? It is always dressed in either sarcasm, seeking vengeance or delivered in a monotone.
But she doesn’t really allow herself to feel it in her music.

Blank space- she is angry but uses “satire”. Look what you made me do: monotone.
The song about killing someone’s wife: monotone.

Even in mad woman, she covers up angry lyrics with peaceful piano. This is the biggest level of misogyny out there (that women shouldn’t express anger) and she does little to break the barrier.
DO you think she plays it safe when it comes to anger? I think she never really owns anger with her voice and feelings, but she talks about it in a removed way.

Have you listened to The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived?

I just tried. The first 40 seconds are the same 3 notes, with a tinkly piano. It’s mean, but not angry. The music behind her is tinkly and her voice is far too smooth to denote anger even though the words may come from anger, it doesn’t show in her voice or the music. Later on the piano gets a little more strident, but then she is singing about not being able to say anything and just “dying inside.”

Own that anger, Taylor, say it to the person you are mad at, don’t make a tinkly song about it half denying your feelings. (By that, I mean the musical half).

This is where the idea that she is always a victim comes from. Her lyrics don’t match the tone of the songs and her vocal style, she claims anger, but it never shows in the music or her voice, and then her lyrics come across as mean.

OTOH, if she were up there getting righteously angry, she wouldn’t be the good girl role model for young girls. A true Catch 22 this misogyny stuff.

Interesting. I can feel the anger and hurt, so different strokes. Fans may also have a different experience because they’re familiar with her live shows. Songs like “The Smallest Man…” and “Illicit Affairs” are sung differently live. There’s a reason they call her show/latest album “Female Rage: The Musical.”

I'm a casual listener through my kids, but I definitely hear anger in some of her songs. Whose right is it to tell someone else how to demonstrate anger whether loud and brash or more subdued, EITHER way?

As a longtime Taylor Swift fan who considers herself a Swiftie, I must say I am quite disappointed by the revelations about the extent of her collusion with Ryan Reynolds and Blake Lively in the smear campaign against Justin Baldoni and the insidious attempt to steal the intellectual property rights of the Colleen Hoover book.

I mindlessly consumed the narrative Taylor told about herself as a perpetual innocent ingénue who is a victim to the machinations of evil Hollywood types. Color me truly surprised to find that she is one of the worst. For the first time, I am glad I did not attend the Eras tour.

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Anonymous wrote:Did you ever notice she can’t feel anger in her songs? It is always dressed in either sarcasm, seeking vengeance or delivered in a monotone.
But she doesn’t really allow herself to feel it in her music.

Blank space- she is angry but uses “satire”. Look what you made me do: monotone.
The song about killing someone’s wife: monotone.

Even in mad woman, she covers up angry lyrics with peaceful piano. This is the biggest level of misogyny out there (that women shouldn’t express anger) and she does little to break the barrier.
DO you think she plays it safe when it comes to anger? I think she never really owns anger with her voice and feelings, but she talks about it in a removed way.

Have you listened to The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived?

I just tried. The first 40 seconds are the same 3 notes, with a tinkly piano. It’s mean, but not angry. The music behind her is tinkly and her voice is far too smooth to denote anger even though the words may come from anger, it doesn’t show in her voice or the music. Later on the piano gets a little more strident, but then she is singing about not being able to say anything and just “dying inside.”

Own that anger, Taylor, say it to the person you are mad at, don’t make a tinkly song about it half denying your feelings. (By that, I mean the musical half).

This is where the idea that she is always a victim comes from. Her lyrics don’t match the tone of the songs and her vocal style, she claims anger, but it never shows in the music or her voice, and then her lyrics come across as mean.

OTOH, if she were up there getting righteously angry, she wouldn’t be the good girl role model for young girls. A true Catch 22 this misogyny stuff.

Interesting. I can feel the anger and hurt, so different strokes. Fans may also have a different experience because they’re familiar with her live shows. Songs like “The Smallest Man…” and “Illicit Affairs” are sung differently live. There’s a reason they call her show/latest album “Female Rage: The Musical.”

Anonymous wrote:Did you ever notice she can’t feel anger in her songs? It is always dressed in either sarcasm, seeking vengeance or delivered in a monotone.
But she doesn’t really allow herself to feel it in her music.

Blank space- she is angry but uses “satire”. Look what you made me do: monotone.
The song about killing someone’s wife: monotone.

Even in mad woman, she covers up angry lyrics with peaceful piano. This is the biggest level of misogyny out there (that women shouldn’t express anger) and she does little to break the barrier.
DO you think she plays it safe when it comes to anger? I think she never really owns anger with her voice and feelings, but she talks about it in a removed way.

very interesting take, you’re right, it may be deliberate, I think she was saying in Miss Americana that her whole public persona was about being seen as ‘good girl’, keep center to attract both sides; I prefer her more passionate and wonder if she’s that soft in private

her voice is mediocre, her music is unremarkable, do like the themes in her songs and the simplicity of her lyrics, she is not charismatic but her boyfriend drama repeat story telling sells

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Anonymous wrote:Did you ever notice she can’t feel anger in her songs? It is always dressed in either sarcasm, seeking vengeance or delivered in a monotone.
But she doesn’t really allow herself to feel it in her music.

Blank space- she is angry but uses “satire”. Look what you made me do: monotone.
The song about killing someone’s wife: monotone.

Even in mad woman, she covers up angry lyrics with peaceful piano. This is the biggest level of misogyny out there (that women shouldn’t express anger) and she does little to break the barrier.
DO you think she plays it safe when it comes to anger? I think she never really owns anger with her voice and feelings, but she talks about it in a removed way.

Have you listened to The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived?

I just tried. The first 40 seconds are the same 3 notes, with a tinkly piano. It’s mean, but not angry. The music behind her is tinkly and her voice is far too smooth to denote anger even though the words may come from anger, it doesn’t show in her voice or the music. Later on the piano gets a little more strident, but then she is singing about not being able to say anything and just “dying inside.”

Own that anger, Taylor, say it to the person you are mad at, don’t make a tinkly song about it half denying your feelings. (By that, I mean the musical half).

This is where the idea that she is always a victim comes from. Her lyrics don’t match the tone of the songs and her vocal style, she claims anger, but it never shows in the music or her voice, and then her lyrics come across as mean.

OTOH, if she were up there getting righteously angry, she wouldn’t be the good girl role model for young girls. A true Catch 22 this misogyny stuff.

She does not care about your like or dislike. You are nobody to her. Rightly so.

Anonymous wrote:Did you ever notice she can’t feel anger in her songs? It is always dressed in either sarcasm, seeking vengeance or delivered in a monotone.
But she doesn’t really allow herself to feel it in her music.

Blank space- she is angry but uses “satire”. Look what you made me do: monotone.
The song about killing someone’s wife: monotone.

Even in mad woman, she covers up angry lyrics with peaceful piano. This is the biggest level of misogyny out there (that women shouldn’t express anger) and she does little to break the barrier.
DO you think she plays it safe when it comes to anger? I think she never really owns anger with her voice and feelings, but she talks about it in a removed way.

Have you listened to The Smallest Man Who Ever Lived?

I watch a lot of football. The amount of focus and attention she got last year was grating on my nerves. I think the NFL and media heard the fans loud and clear and the spotlight is not on her this year.

She’s back to being a person whose songs I recognize on the radio. I like her just fine and hope she and Kelce get married and have cute football kids.

Did you ever notice she can’t feel anger in her songs? It is always dressed in either sarcasm, seeking vengeance or delivered in a monotone.
But she doesn’t really allow herself to feel it in her music.

Blank space- she is angry but uses “satire”. Look what you made me do: monotone.
The song about killing someone’s wife: monotone.

Even in mad woman, she covers up angry lyrics with peaceful piano. This is the biggest level of misogyny out there (that women shouldn’t express anger) and she does little to break the barrier.
DO you think she plays it safe when it comes to anger? I think she never really owns anger with her voice and feelings, but she talks about it in a removed way.

She’s a talented songwriter and decent musician. I enjoy her songs but don’t seek them out. The last album of hers I really listened to came out about 10 years ago. She’s an extremely talented businesswoman and marketer. She knows what she’s doing. I’m amazed that she has fans of literally all ages. Personality wise, it’s hard to say. IMO she comes off as extremely disingenuous. I find it laughable that her fans think of her as someone who is open/honest.