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Anonymous wrote:I live in Brooklyn, and Prospect Park designates three off-leash areas before 9 am for dogs to run around. Sure, there are sometimes dog spats and once in a while dogs get bitten (my own included once), but I have never seen a "bloodbath." There are also runners, birders, and assorted random people in the park at that time, and we all somehow manage to rub along together. This is my dog's favorite part of the day and truly a godsend for me, since he is a very energetic 70 lb German Shepherd/Huskie mix, and I honestly don't think I could exercise him enough solely through my own efforts and my spouse's combined. I can't run around at top speed like he does with the other dogs!

I live in a city with a similar situation. It's been great for the dogs and by 9am, they are leashed. Works out well.

Well, the reason it works well is because you are following the rules. Show up at 11 with your unleashed dog while the local sitters are there with 10 preschoolers, and you've got a problem.

Sure, but some people seem to just be arguing that a dog should never be off leash outside their own home.

The aggressive dog owners are such jerks. They want everyone to walk around on high alert because they insist on keeping dogs that can literally kill around others. Sick and depraved

The thread-derailing anti-pit bullies are such jerks. They want everyone to share their paranoid take because they insist their paranoia is reality, despite copious evidence to the contrary being regularly provided (and ignored). Sick and deranged.

We get it. You hate pit bulls. If it's making it hard for you to focus, stay on task, and get through your day without unhinged ranting, you should seek help

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What copious evidence is there to the contrary? When I chat gpt aggressive dog breeds, pit comes up first. Is chargpt wrong but you are right?

The Pit Bull breed is statistically associated with the highest number of fatal dog attacks in the United States. According to studies and reports from organizations like DogsBite.org and CDC data, Pit Bulls are responsible for the majority of fatal attacks on humans, often accounting for 60-70% of dog-related fatalities annually, despite making up a smaller percentage of the dog population.

Other breeds that have been involved in fatal attacks include:
• Rottweilers
• German Shepherds
• Huskies
• Mastiffs
• American Bulldogs

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Anonymous wrote:When my DD was 6 years old, we were in a relatively empty park pretending to play baseball. She would bat the pretend ball and then run the bases for a home run. We were having fun. Then an off-leash dog decided that this looked like a fun game. It came tearing after her barking and lunging and she screamed and ran faster. Of course, this really made the dog want to chase her. She finally fell to the ground screaming and the dog bit her. It was a small dog but she was also small. The whole thing was really terrifying. The owner just said sorry my (little angel dog) has never done anything like that before. This is the problem.

That’s not ideal obviously but was your daughter killed? That’s the issue

And this is exactly why nobody sane takes the anti-pit bullies seriously. "but was your daughter killed?" So it's totally fine that off-leash dogs bite small children, because they're not 'pit bulls'.

Absolutely ridiculous thinking from a ridiculous person with a completely nonsensical, ridiculous position.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in Brooklyn, and Prospect Park designates three off-leash areas before 9 am for dogs to run around. Sure, there are sometimes dog spats and once in a while dogs get bitten (my own included once), but I have never seen a "bloodbath." There are also runners, birders, and assorted random people in the park at that time, and we all somehow manage to rub along together. This is my dog's favorite part of the day and truly a godsend for me, since he is a very energetic 70 lb German Shepherd/Huskie mix, and I honestly don't think I could exercise him enough solely through my own efforts and my spouse's combined. I can't run around at top speed like he does with the other dogs!

I live in a city with a similar situation. It's been great for the dogs and by 9am, they are leashed. Works out well.

Well, the reason it works well is because you are following the rules. Show up at 11 with your unleashed dog while the local sitters are there with 10 preschoolers, and you've got a problem.

Sure, but some people seem to just be arguing that a dog should never be off leash outside their own home.

The aggressive dog owners are such jerks. They want everyone to walk around on high alert because they insist on keeping dogs that can literally kill around others. Sick and depraved

The thread-derailing anti-pit bullies are such jerks. They want everyone to share their paranoid take because they insist their paranoia is reality, despite copious evidence to the contrary being regularly provided (and ignored). Sick and deranged.

We get it. You hate pit bulls. If it's making it hard for you to focus, stay on task, and get through your day without unhinged ranting, you should seek help

.

What copious evidence is there to the contrary? When I chat gpt aggressive dog breeds, pit comes up first. Is chargpt wrong but you are right?

The Pit Bull breed is statistically associated with the highest number of fatal dog attacks in the United States. According to studies and reports from organizations like DogsBite.org and CDC data, Pit Bulls are responsible for the majority of fatal attacks on humans, often accounting for 60-70% of dog-related fatalities annually, despite making up a smaller percentage of the dog population.

Other breeds that have been involved in fatal attacks include:
• Rottweilers
• German Shepherds
• Huskies
• Mastiffs
• American Bulldogs

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Anonymous wrote:I live in Brooklyn, and Prospect Park designates three off-leash areas before 9 am for dogs to run around. Sure, there are sometimes dog spats and once in a while dogs get bitten (my own included once), but I have never seen a "bloodbath." There are also runners, birders, and assorted random people in the park at that time, and we all somehow manage to rub along together. This is my dog's favorite part of the day and truly a godsend for me, since he is a very energetic 70 lb German Shepherd/Huskie mix, and I honestly don't think I could exercise him enough solely through my own efforts and my spouse's combined. I can't run around at top speed like he does with the other dogs!

I live in a city with a similar situation. It's been great for the dogs and by 9am, they are leashed. Works out well.

Well, the reason it works well is because you are following the rules. Show up at 11 with your unleashed dog while the local sitters are there with 10 preschoolers, and you've got a problem.

Sure, but some people seem to just be arguing that a dog should never be off leash outside their own home.

The aggressive dog owners are such jerks. They want everyone to walk around on high alert because they insist on keeping dogs that can literally kill around others. Sick and depraved

The thread-derailing anti-pit bullies are such jerks. They want everyone to share their paranoid take because they insist their paranoia is reality, despite copious evidence to the contrary being regularly provided (and ignored). Sick and deranged.

We get it. You hate pit bulls. If it's making it hard for you to focus, stay on task, and get through your day without unhinged ranting, you should seek help

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What copious evidence is there to the contrary? When I chat gpt aggressive dog breeds, pit comes up first. Is chargpt wrong but you are right?

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Anonymous wrote:When my DD was 6 years old, we were in a relatively empty park pretending to play baseball. She would bat the pretend ball and then run the bases for a home run. We were having fun. Then an off-leash dog decided that this looked like a fun game. It came tearing after her barking and lunging and she screamed and ran faster. Of course, this really made the dog want to chase her. She finally fell to the ground screaming and the dog bit her. It was a small dog but she was also small. The whole thing was really terrifying. The owner just said sorry my (little angel dog) has never done anything like that before. This is the problem.

Yes, exactly this. I also had an experience like this when my kid was young and it totally alerted me to the dangers if off leash dogs. Kids can be really unpredictable and loud, and a lot of the very normal things kids do will be interesting, exciting, or scary for a dog. No one should have to worry that if their kids darts behind a tree, calls out in excitement, or falls off the slide.

Also, a lot of common dog names and common kid names are the same or similar now. Please don't take your dog named Luna or Charlie to a local park unleashed as the odds some parent or kid will yell your dog's name is a really really high.

Yes. This also explains away the whole 'no one was using the playground' argument. The playground is for children, and good parents aren't going to let their kids play if there are unleashed dogs. We also don't take our kids to the dog park, because the dog park is for unleashed dogs.

A place for everything, and everything in its place.

I’ve never seen a kid or parent when I’ve taken my dog to the playground at 5:30 am during the summer. If they came, I’d leave.

This isn't the point. The law isn't "no leashes unless you see someone, then (try to) leash your dog". The law is clear, as is your stupidity.

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Anonymous wrote:I live in Brooklyn, and Prospect Park designates three off-leash areas before 9 am for dogs to run around. Sure, there are sometimes dog spats and once in a while dogs get bitten (my own included once), but I have never seen a "bloodbath." There are also runners, birders, and assorted random people in the park at that time, and we all somehow manage to rub along together. This is my dog's favorite part of the day and truly a godsend for me, since he is a very energetic 70 lb German Shepherd/Huskie mix, and I honestly don't think I could exercise him enough solely through my own efforts and my spouse's combined. I can't run around at top speed like he does with the other dogs!

I live in a city with a similar situation. It's been great for the dogs and by 9am, they are leashed. Works out well.

Well, the reason it works well is because you are following the rules. Show up at 11 with your unleashed dog while the local sitters are there with 10 preschoolers, and you've got a problem.

Sure, but some people seem to just be arguing that a dog should never be off leash outside their own home.

The aggressive dog owners are such jerks. They want everyone to walk around on high alert because they insist on keeping dogs that can literally kill around others. Sick and depraved

The thread-derailing anti-pit bullies are such jerks. They want everyone to share their paranoid take because they insist their paranoia is reality, despite copious evidence to the contrary being regularly provided (and ignored). Sick and deranged.

We get it. You hate pit bulls. If it's making it hard for you to focus, stay on task, and get through your day without unhinged ranting, you should seek help

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Anonymous wrote:When my DD was 6 years old, we were in a relatively empty park pretending to play baseball. She would bat the pretend ball and then run the bases for a home run. We were having fun. Then an off-leash dog decided that this looked like a fun game. It came tearing after her barking and lunging and she screamed and ran faster. Of course, this really made the dog want to chase her. She finally fell to the ground screaming and the dog bit her. It was a small dog but she was also small. The whole thing was really terrifying. The owner just said sorry my (little angel dog) has never done anything like that before. This is the problem.

Yes, exactly this. I also had an experience like this when my kid was young and it totally alerted me to the dangers if off leash dogs. Kids can be really unpredictable and loud, and a lot of the very normal things kids do will be interesting, exciting, or scary for a dog. No one should have to worry that if their kids darts behind a tree, calls out in excitement, or falls off the slide.

Also, a lot of common dog names and common kid names are the same or similar now. Please don't take your dog named Luna or Charlie to a local park unleashed as the odds some parent or kid will yell your dog's name is a really really high.

Yes. This also explains away the whole 'no one was using the playground' argument. The playground is for children, and good parents aren't going to let their kids play if there are unleashed dogs. We also don't take our kids to the dog park, because the dog park is for unleashed dogs.

A place for everything, and everything in its place.

I’ve never seen a kid or parent when I’ve taken my dog to the playground at 5:30 am during the summer. If they came, I’d leave.

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Anonymous wrote:When my DD was 6 years old, we were in a relatively empty park pretending to play baseball. She would bat the pretend ball and then run the bases for a home run. We were having fun. Then an off-leash dog decided that this looked like a fun game. It came tearing after her barking and lunging and she screamed and ran faster. Of course, this really made the dog want to chase her. She finally fell to the ground screaming and the dog bit her. It was a small dog but she was also small. The whole thing was really terrifying. The owner just said sorry my (little angel dog) has never done anything like that before. This is the problem.

Yes, exactly this. I also had an experience like this when my kid was young and it totally alerted me to the dangers if off leash dogs. Kids can be really unpredictable and loud, and a lot of the very normal things kids do will be interesting, exciting, or scary for a dog. No one should have to worry that if their kids darts behind a tree, calls out in excitement, or falls off the slide.

Also, a lot of common dog names and common kid names are the same or similar now. Please don't take your dog named Luna or Charlie to a local park unleashed as the odds some parent or kid will yell your dog's name is a really really high.

Yes. This also explains away the whole 'no one was using the playground' argument. The playground is for children, and good parents aren't going to let their kids play if there are unleashed dogs. We also don't take our kids to the dog park, because the dog park is for unleashed dogs.

A place for everything, and everything in its place.

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Anonymous wrote:There is no such thing as an "informal dog run". There may be a group of dog owners regularly breaking the law. That doesn't make it legal. The park is not your personal or collective doggy socialization zone. They do have dog parks for this, if you're interested. That's the appropriate location (or your backyard, but something tells me you'll see the liability issue there, in which case, just apply it to the potential disaster you're creating in a public park and you can answer your own question).

Yes, you should immediately begin following the laws that say you must not only have your dog leashed, but under your control. Do not let your dog approach, sniff, or bark at people without their consent. It's not "being friendly" or "socializing", it's illegal. If you use a retractable leash, STOP. They break, they're dangerous, and they don't allow for sufficient control of your animal.

While you're at it, put your phone away, and make sure your dog's license is visible and their shots are up to date (just in case).

The BS logic of "my dog would never hurt a flea" makes you sound like an idiot, BTW. You know this. I don't. My dog definitely doesn't. And, most importantly, it's not the responsibility of every other person at the public park to learn and know this about you/your dog. It's your job, as a responsible owner, to keep your dog fully under your control at all times.

You've been lucky up until now. Don't push it. You know better, so do better, and tell "all your neighbors" so they can suck less, too.

Have you ever met a golden retriever who bites? I have not. I do know Pitt bulls who have maimed and killed other animals, and various other breeds who have attacked but not with the same lethality as pitts.

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Anonymous wrote:When my DD was 6 years old, we were in a relatively empty park pretending to play baseball. She would bat the pretend ball and then run the bases for a home run. We were having fun. Then an off-leash dog decided that this looked like a fun game. It came tearing after her barking and lunging and she screamed and ran faster. Of course, this really made the dog want to chase her. She finally fell to the ground screaming and the dog bit her. It was a small dog but she was also small. The whole thing was really terrifying. The owner just said sorry my (little angel dog) has never done anything like that before. This is the problem.

That’s not ideal obviously but was your daughter killed? That’s the issue

Uh, that is not the issue.

Like obviously we should take actions to ensure dogs aren't mauling 1st graders in the park but also dogs shouldn't be chasing 1st graders until they fall down and then biting them either.

BTW experiences like that are a great way to ensure that kids in your neighborhood don't like dogs which will make their parents much less tolerant of your dogs. My kid became terrified of dogs after an off leash dog barked really loud at her on the street. It was such a stupid situation -- we were in a crowded shopping district and this woman's dog encountered my 3 yr old and started barking at her and then the woman came up a second later and just stood there. The dog didn't attack or bite but was taller than my kid and SUPER loud and scared her really bad. We picked her up as it happened and calmed her down but after that she became very nervous around dogs and still doesn't really like them. Even friend and family dogs, she mostly just tolerates.

So just an FYI that your crappy dog owner behavior is creating a generation of kids who dislike dogs. Good work.

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Anonymous wrote:When my DD was 6 years old, we were in a relatively empty park pretending to play baseball. She would bat the pretend ball and then run the bases for a home run. We were having fun. Then an off-leash dog decided that this looked like a fun game. It came tearing after her barking and lunging and she screamed and ran faster. Of course, this really made the dog want to chase her. She finally fell to the ground screaming and the dog bit her. It was a small dog but she was also small. The whole thing was really terrifying. The owner just said sorry my (little angel dog) has never done anything like that before. This is the problem.

That’s not ideal obviously but was your daughter killed? That’s the issue

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Anonymous wrote:I live in Brooklyn, and Prospect Park designates three off-leash areas before 9 am for dogs to run around. Sure, there are sometimes dog spats and once in a while dogs get bitten (my own included once), but I have never seen a "bloodbath." There are also runners, birders, and assorted random people in the park at that time, and we all somehow manage to rub along together. This is my dog's favorite part of the day and truly a godsend for me, since he is a very energetic 70 lb German Shepherd/Huskie mix, and I honestly don't think I could exercise him enough solely through my own efforts and my spouse's combined. I can't run around at top speed like he does with the other dogs!

I live in a city with a similar situation. It's been great for the dogs and by 9am, they are leashed. Works out well.

Well, the reason it works well is because you are following the rules. Show up at 11 with your unleashed dog while the local sitters are there with 10 preschoolers, and you've got a problem.

Sure, but some people seem to just be arguing that a dog should never be off leash outside their own home.

The aggressive dog owners are such jerks. They want everyone to walk around on high alert because they insist on keeping dogs that can literally kill around others. Sick and depraved

Oh, BS! We're minding our business when your lawless jerk self let your "friendly" dogs in our space.

Mind your own business and there won't be a problem

Aggressive dog breeds should be banned in high density areas. We shouldn’t have to worry that a minor slip up will result in serious injury. This is not that hard