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Anonymous wrote:I promise I'm not a paranoid still wearing masks, but can the folks saying no say why? At this point, why isn't it any different from getting the flu shot?

My teens don't get a flu shot either.

Honestly, we have no idea what the long term effects of yearly shots (like flu shots and Covid shots) will have. So, we pass.

My teens are fully vaccinated otherwise, so I'm not an anti-vaxxer. Just don't see enough benefit to warrant yearly flu/Covid shots.

We also have no idea what the long terms effects of yearly covid infections are. Seems like it’s looking bad for lots of people from what little data we have.

Well, since annual boosters don't prevent anyone from getting infected, you are just adding an avoidable uncertainty to an unavoidable one.

I mean, you don’t know that either. I can easily imagine severity of illness playing in a role in long term outcomes, can’t you? If Covid is damaging vital organs I would think the less severe the infection, and the quicker you’re able to fight it off, the less chance for severe or lasting damage.

But I don’t know. Neither do you.

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Anonymous wrote:No European country recommends Covid boosters for kids, so no. The US is an outlier with their indiscriminate recommendation, which is clearly driven by Pfizer lobbying.

What are your thoughts on the US auto lobby?

How is this relevant here? I'm sure it's strong, lol.

The same people that are against European innovations such as functioning public transportation and universal healthcare (they’re socialists! It would never work here! Etc.) suddenly citing European policies and recommendations when it comes to their anti vaccination beliefs just strikes me as funny.

Ha! I figured that was what you were trying to imply. Sorry to break it to you, but I am from Europe, a liberal, firmly in favor of public transportation and universal healthcare, currently losing sleep over the prospect of Trump winning the election, and YET I think American liberals have been crazy in their approach to Covid, particularly school closures, masks, and vaccines. No other country has politicized Covid to this degree, and that you still assume that someone who thinks that teens don't need Covid boosters must be a right-wing "anti-vaxxer" only proves my point. Good luck, America. This shit is what might win Trump the election.

Yes, people who are against routine vaccinations recommended by the CDC (as the Covid boosters are) are a segment of the anti-vaxxer crowd. You have more in common with the Trump supporters than you think.

Vaccinations shouldn’t be politicized, I agree with you there; it is you and your ilk who are firmly against official public health policy recommendations who are the folks politicizing it, however. (“But I did muh own research!” Yeah, we get it.)

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Anonymous wrote:My post is above. Think of us people on cancer drugs that lower our immunity! If the fever is over 100.5 we’re supposed to call the doctor and it can mean ending up in the hospital in an isolation room. I had 103 fever with Covid and my lungs hurt so bad with the coughing. I didn’t call because at that point I didn’t think they could do anything. It would be more preventative than anything.

Then you by all means should be getting every booster. My kids not getting one has absolutely no impact on you. Sure it might lessen their symptoms (which were a minor cold btw) if they get it.

How is it 2024 and people still don't know this?

Actually, herd immunity is a vital part of public health. It's very sad that we've had such a breakdown in our cultural sense of responsibility to one another. Polio is actually a very mild illness for most people (and, like covid, actually worse for adults than children), but we decided that the risk of potentially deadly and debilitating illness for a few is worth vaccinating everyone. What has happened to our sense of obligation to the public good?

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Anonymous wrote:No way.

Our family got the first 2 shots. The whole vaccine situation in this country was handled with clear profits in mind for pharma, trust on my end is gone. I’d rather not feed that beast every year. Plus shots made me feel worse than actual covid did (I got omicron in March 2022)

Data shows such a minimal protection and for such a short period of time. Covid was such a nothing burger for my 14 year old and my 16 yo has either never had it (or if she did, she was asymptomatic). My family is vaccinated with the required shots but none of us have ever gotten a flu shot either and my kids have gotten the flu once and I haven’t had the flu since 1999. Blah blah science but I’ve never found any real studies comparing people who never get flu shots and people who get them yearly - I feel there is something there. I still remember 2009 h1n1 and that the people who got the standard flu shot that year were more susceptible to h1n1 and that is curious to me. The covid shot is always behind the variants so think about it …

The bolded shows us who you are. The vaccines were developed quickly to save lives. You don't get to lie and act like this virus was a nothingburger. How many people died of the virus? Wait, you also believe in chem trails and Jewish space lasers controlling the weather.

These vaccines were not developed to make money. People were dying. Lots of us lost people who died due to covid and, no, they weren't all people over the age of 50.

Take your deceitful manipulations over to the politics board drumper.

Initially, yes. But remember, two members of the FDA advisory board resigned over the administration’s decision to push boosters for everyone. It wasn’t unanimous among the experts.

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Anonymous wrote:No way.

Our family got the first 2 shots. The whole vaccine situation in this country was handled with clear profits in mind for pharma, trust on my end is gone. I’d rather not feed that beast every year. Plus shots made me feel worse than actual covid did (I got omicron in March 2022)

Data shows such a minimal protection and for such a short period of time. Covid was such a nothing burger for my 14 year old and my 16 yo has either never had it (or if she did, she was asymptomatic). My family is vaccinated with the required shots but none of us have ever gotten a flu shot either and my kids have gotten the flu once and I haven’t had the flu since 1999. Blah blah science but I’ve never found any real studies comparing people who never get flu shots and people who get them yearly - I feel there is something there. I still remember 2009 h1n1 and that the people who got the standard flu shot that year were more susceptible to h1n1 and that is curious to me. The covid shot is always behind the variants so think about it …

The bolded shows us who you are. The vaccines were developed quickly to save lives. You don't get to lie and act like this virus was a nothingburger. How many people died of the virus? Wait, you also believe in chem trails and Jewish space lasers controlling the weather.

These vaccines were not developed to make money. People were dying. Lots of us lost people who died due to covid and, no, they weren't all people over the age of 50.

Take your deceitful manipulations over to the politics board drumper.

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Anonymous wrote:No way.

Our family got the first 2 shots. The whole vaccine situation in this country was handled with clear profits in mind for pharma, trust on my end is gone. I’d rather not feed that beast every year. Plus shots made me feel worse than actual covid did (I got omicron in March 2022)

Data shows such a minimal protection and for such a short period of time. Covid was such a nothing burger for my 14 year old and my 16 yo has either never had it (or if she did, she was asymptomatic). My family is vaccinated with the required shots but none of us have ever gotten a flu shot either and my kids have gotten the flu once and I haven’t had the flu since 1999. Blah blah science but I’ve never found any real studies comparing people who never get flu shots and people who get them yearly - I feel there is something there. I still remember 2009 h1n1 and that the people who got the standard flu shot that year were more susceptible to h1n1 and that is curious to me. The covid shot is always behind the variants so think about it …

The bolded shows us who you are. The vaccines were developed quickly to save lives. You don't get to lie and act like this virus was a nothingburger. How many people died of the virus? Wait, you also believe in chem trails and Jewish space lasers controlling the weather.

These vaccines were not developed to make money. People were dying. Lots of us lost people who died due to covid and, no, they weren't all people over the age of 50.

Take your deceitful manipulations over to the politics board drumper.

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Anonymous wrote:No way.

Our family got the first 2 shots. The whole vaccine situation in this country was handled with clear profits in mind for pharma, trust on my end is gone. I’d rather not feed that beast every year. Plus shots made me feel worse than actual covid did (I got omicron in March 2022)

Data shows such a minimal protection and for such a short period of time. Covid was such a nothing burger for my 14 year old and my 16 yo has either never had it (or if she did, she was asymptomatic). My family is vaccinated with the required shots but none of us have ever gotten a flu shot either and my kids have gotten the flu once and I haven’t had the flu since 1999. Blah blah science but I’ve never found any real studies comparing people who never get flu shots and people who get them yearly - I feel there is something there. I still remember 2009 h1n1 and that the people who got the standard flu shot that year were more susceptible to h1n1 and that is curious to me. The covid shot is always behind the variants so think about it …

The bolded shows us who you are. The vaccines were developed quickly to save lives. You don't get to lie and act like this virus was a nothingburger. How many people died of the virus? Wait, you also believe in chem trails and Jewish space lasers controlling the weather.

These vaccines were not developed to make money. People were dying. Lots of us lost people who died due to covid and, no, they weren't all people over the age of 50.

Take your deceitful manipulations over to the politics board drumper.

Anonymous wrote:No way.

Our family got the first 2 shots. The whole vaccine situation in this country was handled with clear profits in mind for pharma, trust on my end is gone. I’d rather not feed that beast every year. Plus shots made me feel worse than actual covid did (I got omicron in March 2022)

Data shows such a minimal protection and for such a short period of time. Covid was such a nothing burger for my 14 year old and my 16 yo has either never had it (or if she did, she was asymptomatic). My family is vaccinated with the required shots but none of us have ever gotten a flu shot either and my kids have gotten the flu once and I haven’t had the flu since 1999. Blah blah science but I’ve never found any real studies comparing people who never get flu shots and people who get them yearly - I feel there is something there. I still remember 2009 h1n1 and that the people who got the standard flu shot that year were more susceptible to h1n1 and that is curious to me. The covid shot is always behind the variants so think about it …

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Anonymous wrote:To pp who says he would find new pediatrician if they recommended the Covid booster - that is ridiculous. The cdc recommends it so that pediatrician would just be doing their job! Not recommended it would actually go against professional guidelines. I'd be surprised by pediatricians at least not offering the vaccine.

I’m not the PP you’re responding to and I wouldn’t switch pediatricians, even though our teen boys haven’t gotten any boosters. But their pediatrician doesn’t carry the vaccine or recommend it to kids.

I am the PP who said I would find a new pediatrician if ours were "pushing" Covid boosters on my boys. Ours did actually offer boosters to us last year, but when I said that my kids had three shots and weren't getting any more, didn't bat an eye and moved on, and didn't bring it up again at this fall's physical.

I personally don't think they should even offer them because there is no evidence that benefits outweigh the risks, but I know they probably have to due to the CDC recommendation. I would only hold it against them if they insisted and showed that they truly believed it was a good idea.

Hmmm… why do you think the CDC recommends boosters? Do you think the doctors working there are more or less qualified to make recommendations as to infectious diseases than your local pediatrician?

Why doesn't anyone every grapple with the fact that NO OTHER PEER country recommends COVID boosters for kids/teens? Are we so sure only the US gets this right (and every other country/UK/Europe etc gets it wrong)?

Most other countries recommendations have nothing whatsoever to do with vaccine “risk” to young people, which is what most of the anti-vaxxers (who don’t want to be called anti-vaxxers) are arguing in this thread. Their recommendations have to do with cost and resource allocation.

We can afford it, so we recommend it. It’s that simple.

This is not a primary vaccine and ok to opt out. This is not a vaccine that does much of anything. Staying home when sick and masking is far better.

Europeans can stay home when sick, not so much in the US. People get fired here.

This is about teens. Are teens going to get fired?

Do teens not have to go to school anymore? And it seems generally that the adults against the vaccines for their teens are also against it for themselves.

Y’all are really twisting yourselves into knots here defending your mistrust of vaccines (but only some vaccines so it doesn’t count, right?). Don’t get it if you’re too scared, but understand that your hesitation and skepticism isn’t based in reality.

OMG. stfu already about “reality” until you deal intelligently with the very real risks of myocarditis for boys and young men from the vaccine, as well as their very low risk from covid. And my kid does get all the other shots. It’s truly the height of delusion and arrogance to pretend you have some lock on “reality.”

Fixed it for you.

OMG. stfu already about “reality” until you deal intelligently with the very real risks of myocarditis for boys and young men from having Covid, as well as their very low risk of complications from the vaccine. It’s truly the height of delusion and arrogance to pretend you have some lock on “reality.”

DP. The problem is that the vaccine doesn't prevent Covid infection, so the risk of myocarditis from the vaccine gets added on to the risk of myocarditis from infection. If you want to dispute that by claiming that the vaccine lessens the risk of getting myocarditis from the inevitable infection, please present evidence. There is none. There isn't even evidence that annual boosters lessen disease severity in people who are already vaccinated and/or have already had Covid, and there certainly isn't evidence that the risk of myocarditis from Covid infection is lowered by getting boosted.

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Anonymous wrote:I promise I'm not a paranoid still wearing masks, but can the folks saying no say why? At this point, why isn't it any different from getting the flu shot?

We all got three covid shots in our family (my teen boys are 17 and 18 now). No more covid shots for us for a few small reasons that add up to a totally unnecessary shot in our opinion --
1. We all caught covid (some of us have had it twice) in the 3 years since being vaccinated in 2021, and it was always just a very mild cold (sore throat, fever, slight cough for a day or two)
2. The covid shots made us feel blah and feverish for a day or two
3. No doctors (at our family practice, at the college health center, at the ER after a broken bone, at the ortho) are asking us if we have had a covid booster. They only ask if we have had our flu shot (which we all have).

So we always get a flu shot (and have for the past 20 years) in September. But we do not see any reason to get a covid shot. It is no longer a novel virus. Our bodies fight this coronavirus very easily, and getting a shot does not prevent us from spreading it to others.

So I hope that helps you understand our reasoning!

The mildness of your covid symptoms is an argument for the booster, not against.

They never consider this when they make this argument.

Pre covid the exact same posts popped up every fall with people going on about not getting flu shots. The arguments are almost exactly the same with it boiling down to people who don't trust the gubment vs those who think they are just inherently more intelligent than everyone else.