Anonymous
Post 11/26/2024 12:21     Subject: William & Mary admission rates
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Anonymous wrote:Will continue to fall


We’ll see. It has largely fallen due to the change in the formula USNWR uses that seems to more heavily preference big state schools (and of course super well endowed prjvages) so that a lot of the great things about W&M are now discounted and they are counting things that are not an issue for most of DCUM posters like Firat Gen and Pell grants.


Exactly. When looking at schools I would focus a whole lot more on their CDS and the caliber of students who go there. I don’t know too many people who prioritized the number of Pell grants given over, say, class size, access to actual professors, student qualifications, etc.


Quite so. The latest ranking criteria give weight to "social equity" measures which are unrelated to student academic qualifications, academic environments and student outcomes. The value is dubious of rankings based on such extraneous factors.


This change did not affect the truly elite schools though and helped state flagships. Seems like a double whammy of bad news for W and M.
Anonymous
Post 11/26/2024 12:11     Subject: William & Mary admission rates
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Anonymous wrote:Probably. Do you have a son or daughter? If son, more likely to be accepted as the gender balance is out of whack.


That’s nearly all schools. Not just W&M. Look at the gender numbers at other schools, too. More women are pursuing higher education than men.


I think engineering is still dominated by boys.


Men. Boys don't attent college. Men do.


Oh, no. I teach college. I have yet to meet an undergraduate of any gender who is actually an adult. Full psychological and biological maturity doesn't occur until the 20s, and it shows. Especially when we put them into an environment where their legitimate responsibility is to focus on _themselves_. They are wonderful in any number of ways, but they are not adults. Otherwise we wouldn't need so many offices and personnel dedicated to dealing with vulnerabilities, problems, and bad decisions. And courses on adulting. Consider this: if your college freshman came home and told you they were going to be a parent, would you consider them ready? They need a great deal of guidance, at this age in some ways more than ever.


Yes, I used to consider college age kids to be men & women, but not these days. Males especially are still firmly rooted in childish behavior. I do think 18/19 is different than 20/21. A lot of maturing happens in those years.

But also — don’t take that frequently touted “26 year” to be set in stone. Things are fluid when we talk about developmental milestones. Some mature sooner than others, and some are quite mature despite their frontal lobe not being full developed. Females mature significantly sooner.
Anonymous
Post 11/26/2024 10:58     Subject: William & Mary admission rates
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Will continue to fall


We’ll see. It has largely fallen due to the change in the formula USNWR uses that seems to more heavily preference big state schools (and of course super well endowed prjvages) so that a lot of the great things about W&M are now discounted and they are counting things that are not an issue for most of DCUM posters like Firat Gen and Pell grants.


Exactly. When looking at schools I would focus a whole lot more on their CDS and the caliber of students who go there. I don’t know too many people who prioritized the number of Pell grants given over, say, class size, access to actual professors, student qualifications, etc.


Quite so. The latest ranking criteria give weight to "social equity" measures which are unrelated to student academic qualifications, academic environments and student outcomes. The value is dubious of rankings based on such extraneous factors.
Anonymous
Post 11/26/2024 10:28     Subject: William & Mary admission rates
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Probably. Do you have a son or daughter? If son, more likely to be accepted as the gender balance is out of whack.


That’s nearly all schools. Not just W&M. Look at the gender numbers at other schools, too. More women are pursuing higher education than men.


I think engineering is still dominated by boys.


Men. Boys don't attent college. Men do.


Oh, no. I teach college. I have yet to meet an undergraduate of any gender who is actually an adult. Full psychological and biological maturity doesn't occur until the 20s, and it shows. Especially when we put them into an environment where their legitimate responsibility is to focus on _themselves_. They are wonderful in any number of ways, but they are not adults. Otherwise we wouldn't need so many offices and personnel dedicated to dealing with vulnerabilities, problems, and bad decisions. And courses on adulting. Consider this: if your college freshman came home and told you they were going to be a parent, would you consider them ready? They need a great deal of guidance, at this age in some ways more than ever.


Thank you.

I am sick of the knee jerk response that college students are adults. And that any support offered by parents at this stage OF ADOLESCENCE is helicoptering.

https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/153/Supplement%202/e2023063678D/196583/Child-Health-Needs-and-the-Adolescent-Medicine
Anonymous
Post 11/26/2024 10:21     Subject: William & Mary admission rates
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Anonymous wrote:Imo the school of Computing and Data Sciences, and the new undergraduate Marine Science program are going to shake admissions up a lot over the next couple years so there's no point in fighting over selectivity


W&M salaries are barely subsistence-level and the WBURG area is very $$$

poses challenges in faculty recruitment


That's an arts and sciences specific issue which is why CS, Data Science, and Physics are leaving it. Business, law, and education are able to pay their professors a lot more. For a lot of A&S majors the market rate for profs is a lot lower, but obviously not these majors.
Anonymous
Post 11/26/2024 10:11     Subject: William & Mary admission rates
Anonymous wrote:Imo the school of Computing and Data Sciences, and the new undergraduate Marine Science program are going to shake admissions up a lot over the next couple years so there's no point in fighting over selectivity


W&M salaries are barely subsistence-level and the WBURG area is very $$$

poses challenges in faculty recruitment
Anonymous
Post 11/26/2024 09:39     Subject: William & Mary admission rates
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Will continue to fall


We’ll see. It has largely fallen due to the change in the formula USNWR uses that seems to more heavily preference big state schools (and of course super well endowed prjvages) so that a lot of the great things about W&M are now discounted and they are counting things that are not an issue for most of DCUM posters like Firat Gen and Pell grants.


Exactly. When looking at schools I would focus a whole lot more on their CDS and the caliber of students who go there. I don’t know too many people who prioritized the number of Pell grants given over, say, class size, access to actual professors, student qualifications, etc.
Anonymous
Post 11/26/2024 09:38     Subject: William & Mary admission rates
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Anonymous wrote:Wow W&M 75% SAT is at 1530!

Almost ivy league levels, which are at 1550+

VT for reference is 1430
UVa: 1520


Keep in mind all these numbers have almost half the student body (and all of the athletes and URMs) not reporting any scores at all.


Do you have stats backing this up? Or is it just your dumbass opinion?
Anonymous
Post 11/26/2024 09:35     Subject: William & Mary admission rates
Anonymous wrote:true. A lot of self selection in reporting of SAT scores.



Yes, but that was true of almost every school up to last year, so that’s a less significant point.
Anonymous
Post 11/26/2024 08:48     Subject: William & Mary admission rates
true. A lot of self selection in reporting of SAT scores.

Anonymous
Post 11/26/2024 08:44     Subject: William & Mary admission rates
Anonymous wrote:Wow W&M 75% SAT is at 1530!

Almost ivy league levels, which are at 1550+

VT for reference is 1430
UVa: 1520


Keep in mind all these numbers have almost half the student body (and all of the athletes and URMs) not reporting any scores at all.
Anonymous
Post 11/26/2024 08:42     Subject: William & Mary admission rates
Wow W&M 75% SAT is at 1530!

Almost ivy league levels, which are at 1550+

VT for reference is 1430
UVa: 1520
Anonymous
Post 11/26/2024 08:18     Subject: William & Mary admission rates
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Probably. Do you have a son or daughter? If son, more likely to be accepted as the gender balance is out of whack.


That’s nearly all schools. Not just W&M. Look at the gender numbers at other schools, too. More women are pursuing higher education than men.


I think engineering is still dominated by boys.


Men. Boys don't attent college. Men do.


Oh, no. I teach college. I have yet to meet an undergraduate of any gender who is actually an adult. Full psychological and biological maturity doesn't occur until the 20s, and it shows. Especially when we put them into an environment where their legitimate responsibility is to focus on _themselves_. They are wonderful in any number of ways, but they are not adults. Otherwise we wouldn't need so many offices and personnel dedicated to dealing with vulnerabilities, problems, and bad decisions. And courses on adulting. Consider this: if your college freshman came home and told you they were going to be a parent, would you consider them ready? They need a great deal of guidance, at this age in some ways more than ever.
Anonymous
Post 11/26/2024 07:06     Subject: William & Mary admission rates
^ privates
Anonymous
Post 11/26/2024 07:05     Subject: William & Mary admission rates
Anonymous wrote:Will continue to fall


We’ll see. It has largely fallen due to the change in the formula USNWR uses that seems to more heavily preference big state schools (and of course super well endowed prjvages) so that a lot of the great things about W&M are now discounted and they are counting things that are not an issue for most of DCUM posters like Firat Gen and Pell grants.