Anonymous wrote:'Not care' may be much, players and parents probably pay attention to the national team but do they care enough to think there needs to be a change to build better teams going forward there? Not really.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All of the points people are making here are interesting, but I don't think they are realistic or constructive. Soccer and youth sports in the US are different than the rest of the world. That's a strength ! We should lean into our strengths and not try to imitate something we are not and will never be. The US formula can work in other sports. It works fairly well in women's soccer. Focus on what we can be great at and design our strategy, development, and rosters based on those strengths. Differentiate based on strengths, not a watered down version of somebody else.
Women's soccer works because of title ix. Now that pro leagues are starting to gain traction in europe, I doubt the US keeps its edge on the women's side
Who cares about an edge? That is not girls soccer in the US. It is about college not pro. Most do not care if we have some national edge. The product here is different.
What product is different? How?
Women's soccer in the US is built on collegiate soccer being the end goal, if you have ever watched a college soccer match you would see that it is night and day different than what is needed to play internationally. Nobody cares about the national team. This will change however with all of these new rules coming out for collegiate sports.
Nobody cares about the national team? Hook me up with whatever cocktail you are taking to cloud reality, please.
You must be new around here, most parents on this board don't care about the successes of the national team, only if their kid can get into college.
What kind of low-brow board is this not to care about the national team?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All of the points people are making here are interesting, but I don't think they are realistic or constructive. Soccer and youth sports in the US are different than the rest of the world. That's a strength ! We should lean into our strengths and not try to imitate something we are not and will never be. The US formula can work in other sports. It works fairly well in women's soccer. Focus on what we can be great at and design our strategy, development, and rosters based on those strengths. Differentiate based on strengths, not a watered down version of somebody else.
Women's soccer works because of title ix. Now that pro leagues are starting to gain traction in europe, I doubt the US keeps its edge on the women's side
Who cares about an edge? That is not girls soccer in the US. It is about college not pro. Most do not care if we have some national edge. The product here is different.
What product is different? How?
Women's soccer in the US is built on collegiate soccer being the end goal, if you have ever watched a college soccer match you would see that it is night and day different than what is needed to play internationally. Nobody cares about the national team. This will change however with all of these new rules coming out for collegiate sports.
Nobody cares about the national team? Hook me up with whatever cocktail you are taking to cloud reality, please.
You must be new around here, most parents on this board don't care about the successes of the national team, only if their kid can get into college.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All of the points people are making here are interesting, but I don't think they are realistic or constructive. Soccer and youth sports in the US are different than the rest of the world. That's a strength ! We should lean into our strengths and not try to imitate something we are not and will never be. The US formula can work in other sports. It works fairly well in women's soccer. Focus on what we can be great at and design our strategy, development, and rosters based on those strengths. Differentiate based on strengths, not a watered down version of somebody else.
Women's soccer works because of title ix. Now that pro leagues are starting to gain traction in europe, I doubt the US keeps its edge on the women's side
Who cares about an edge? That is not girls soccer in the US. It is about college not pro. Most do not care if we have some national edge. The product here is different.
What product is different? How?
Women's soccer in the US is built on collegiate soccer being the end goal, if you have ever watched a college soccer match you would see that it is night and day different than what is needed to play internationally. Nobody cares about the national team. This will change however with all of these new rules coming out for collegiate sports.
Nobody cares about the national team? Hook me up with whatever cocktail you are taking to cloud reality, please.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All of the points people are making here are interesting, but I don't think they are realistic or constructive. Soccer and youth sports in the US are different than the rest of the world. That's a strength ! We should lean into our strengths and not try to imitate something we are not and will never be. The US formula can work in other sports. It works fairly well in women's soccer. Focus on what we can be great at and design our strategy, development, and rosters based on those strengths. Differentiate based on strengths, not a watered down version of somebody else.
Women's soccer works because of title ix. Now that pro leagues are starting to gain traction in europe, I doubt the US keeps its edge on the women's side
Who cares about an edge? That is not girls soccer in the US. It is about college not pro. Most do not care if we have some national edge. The product here is different.
What product is different? How?
Women's soccer in the US is built on collegiate soccer being the end goal, if you have ever watched a college soccer match you would see that it is night and day different than what is needed to play internationally. Nobody cares about the national team. This will change however with all of these new rules coming out for collegiate sports.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All of the points people are making here are interesting, but I don't think they are realistic or constructive. Soccer and youth sports in the US are different than the rest of the world. That's a strength ! We should lean into our strengths and not try to imitate something we are not and will never be. The US formula can work in other sports. It works fairly well in women's soccer. Focus on what we can be great at and design our strategy, development, and rosters based on those strengths. Differentiate based on strengths, not a watered down version of somebody else.
Women's soccer works because of title ix. Now that pro leagues are starting to gain traction in europe, I doubt the US keeps its edge on the women's side
Who cares about an edge? That is not girls soccer in the US. It is about college not pro. Most do not care if we have some national edge. The product here is different.
What product is different? How?
Women's soccer in the US is built on collegiate soccer being the end goal, if you have ever watched a college soccer match you would see that it is night and day different than what is needed to play internationally. Nobody cares about the national team. This will change however with all of these new rules coming out for collegiate sports.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The problem with soccer in our country is that coaches at "top" clubs think that they need big and tall kids to win. They remove all creativity from the players. Possession, possession is all they say. The minute the players dribble or get creative they are taken out only to be told not to do that again. I have seen this at Bethesda, Potomac, SYC, etc. We have the worse teachers of soccer coaching and suppressing all creativity and talent. They promote win win at all cost. Cost of development. Most directors of these clubs have been trained in the same ineffective soccer philosophy. It will take a long time to change this culture. Then, add the $$ component to travel $occer and there you have it.
Could have stopped at your first sentence.
The focus on winning at early ages.
Instead of teaching and developing.
Their egos come first for the 'W'
Granted, the majority don't have the knowledge and experience to teach development properly.
Coaches canāt teach possession properly because players do not have the technical skills to execute possession play properly. And based on the threads, many parents donāt really understand what possession is.
Possession is not only quick passes, itās continuing to possess and move the ball (eg, dribble long, quick dribble and pass, 1 v 1) and frankly, there are not many players who can quickly decide to do something else and execute it under pressure. If a players go-to is to dribble all the time, telling that player to stop is not stifling their creativity, itās forcing them to think of other options.
Because coaches and parents want to win, even players with the technical skills donāt have the opportunity to make mistakes and learn to use their skills under pressure. They always use their safest option (quick pass or boot) or their go to (like dribbling).
Itās maddening that parents keep their kids on winning teams when their players arenāt learning anything new or getting better.
It's not just parents and coaches that want to win. Players want to win too Being on a team that loses every game is demoralizing especially at 8 or 9. Most kids wont grasp the concept of its ok to lose as long as they are individually developing . By nature for most winning is important. Other wise they Will stop playing if all they do is lose but 'develop'
If the kids are developing, they aren't losing every game. Unless wrongly placed way out of their depth
They learn from the reactions of their coaches and parents to losses.[/quote]
Haven't seen many kids that were playing by choice and not being forced to play like losing regardless of parents. I'm sure you have heard kids keeping score themselves during early rec years when games weren't officially scored and commenting about how they won or loss. At that stage and level most parents just want their kids to run around get tired then take a nap
2 and 3 years old?
Ha. Not quite but U6 āU8 when they were playing 5v5 and coaches still rolled the ball back into play
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All of the points people are making here are interesting, but I don't think they are realistic or constructive. Soccer and youth sports in the US are different than the rest of the world. That's a strength ! We should lean into our strengths and not try to imitate something we are not and will never be. The US formula can work in other sports. It works fairly well in women's soccer. Focus on what we can be great at and design our strategy, development, and rosters based on those strengths. Differentiate based on strengths, not a watered down version of somebody else.
Women's soccer works because of title ix. Now that pro leagues are starting to gain traction in europe, I doubt the US keeps its edge on the women's side
Who cares about an edge? That is not girls soccer in the US. It is about college not pro. Most do not care if we have some national edge. The product here is different.
What product is different? How?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All of the points people are making here are interesting, but I don't think they are realistic or constructive. Soccer and youth sports in the US are different than the rest of the world. That's a strength ! We should lean into our strengths and not try to imitate something we are not and will never be. The US formula can work in other sports. It works fairly well in women's soccer. Focus on what we can be great at and design our strategy, development, and rosters based on those strengths. Differentiate based on strengths, not a watered down version of somebody else.
Women's soccer works because of title ix. Now that pro leagues are starting to gain traction in europe, I doubt the US keeps its edge on the women's side
Who cares about an edge? That is not girls soccer in the US. It is about college not pro. Most do not care if we have some national edge. The product here is different.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:All of the points people are making here are interesting, but I don't think they are realistic or constructive. Soccer and youth sports in the US are different than the rest of the world. That's a strength ! We should lean into our strengths and not try to imitate something we are not and will never be. The US formula can work in other sports. It works fairly well in women's soccer. Focus on what we can be great at and design our strategy, development, and rosters based on those strengths. Differentiate based on strengths, not a watered down version of somebody else.
Women's soccer works because of title ix. Now that pro leagues are starting to gain traction in europe, I doubt the US keeps its edge on the women's side
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The problem with soccer in our country is that coaches at "top" clubs think that they need big and tall kids to win. They remove all creativity from the players. Possession, possession is all they say. The minute the players dribble or get creative they are taken out only to be told not to do that again. I have seen this at Bethesda, Potomac, SYC, etc. We have the worse teachers of soccer coaching and suppressing all creativity and talent. They promote win win at all cost. Cost of development. Most directors of these clubs have been trained in the same ineffective soccer philosophy. It will take a long time to change this culture. Then, add the $$ component to travel $occer and there you have it.
Could have stopped at your first sentence.
The focus on winning at early ages.
Instead of teaching and developing.
Their egos come first for the 'W'
Granted, the majority don't have the knowledge and experience to teach development properly.
Coaches canāt teach possession properly because players do not have the technical skills to execute possession play properly. And based on the threads, many parents donāt really understand what possession is.
Possession is not only quick passes, itās continuing to possess and move the ball (eg, dribble long, quick dribble and pass, 1 v 1) and frankly, there are not many players who can quickly decide to do something else and execute it under pressure. If a players go-to is to dribble all the time, telling that player to stop is not stifling their creativity, itās forcing them to think of other options.
Because coaches and parents want to win, even players with the technical skills donāt have the opportunity to make mistakes and learn to use their skills under pressure. They always use their safest option (quick pass or boot) or their go to (like dribbling).
Itās maddening that parents keep their kids on winning teams when their players arenāt learning anything new or getting better.
It's not just parents and coaches that want to win. Players want to win too Being on a team that loses every game is demoralizing especially at 8 or 9. Most kids wont grasp the concept of its ok to lose as long as they are individually developing . By nature for most winning is important. Other wise they Will stop playing if all they do is lose but 'develop'
If the kids are developing, they aren't losing every game. Unless wrongly placed way out of their depth
They learn from the reactions of their coaches and parents to losses.
Haven't seen many kids that were playing by choice and not being forced to play like losing regardless of parents. I'm sure you have heard kids keeping score themselves during early rec years when games weren't officially scored and commenting about how they won or loss. At that stage and level most parents just want their kids to run around get tired then take a nap
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The problem with soccer in our country is that coaches at "top" clubs think that they need big and tall kids to win. They remove all creativity from the players. Possession, possession is all they say. The minute the players dribble or get creative they are taken out only to be told not to do that again. I have seen this at Bethesda, Potomac, SYC, etc. We have the worse teachers of soccer coaching and suppressing all creativity and talent. They promote win win at all cost. Cost of development. Most directors of these clubs have been trained in the same ineffective soccer philosophy. It will take a long time to change this culture. Then, add the $$ component to travel $occer and there you have it.
Could have stopped at your first sentence.
The focus on winning at early ages.
Instead of teaching and developing.
Their egos come first for the 'W'
Granted, the majority don't have the knowledge and experience to teach development properly.
Coaches canāt teach possession properly because players do not have the technical skills to execute possession play properly. And based on the threads, many parents donāt really understand what possession is.
Possession is not only quick passes, itās continuing to possess and move the ball (eg, dribble long, quick dribble and pass, 1 v 1) and frankly, there are not many players who can quickly decide to do something else and execute it under pressure. If a players go-to is to dribble all the time, telling that player to stop is not stifling their creativity, itās forcing them to think of other options.
Because coaches and parents want to win, even players with the technical skills donāt have the opportunity to make mistakes and learn to use their skills under pressure. They always use their safest option (quick pass or boot) or their go to (like dribbling).
Itās maddening that parents keep their kids on winning teams when their players arenāt learning anything new or getting better.
It's not just parents and coaches that want to win. Players want to win too Being on a team that loses every game is demoralizing especially at 8 or 9. Most kids wont grasp the concept of its ok to lose as long as they are individually developing . By nature for most winning is important. Other wise they Will stop playing if all they do is lose but 'develop'
If the kids are developing, they aren't losing every game. Unless wrongly placed way out of their depth
They learn from the reactions of their coaches and parents to losses.