Anonymous
09/05/2024 11:22
Subject: Has the Bayesian yacht sinking been discussed?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Some of you have never had any human factors education, and it shows.
What does this mean?
It means that if a $50 million yacht sinks because a crew member doesn't close a hath, the design is shoddy.
Oh yea, I see that. I was trying to make that point earlier but not expressing it clearly. I’m sure there are things the crew did or didn’t do that weren’t perfect, but you’d think a $40m blue water yacht designed to cross oceans could handle a weather event like this at port and not capsize and sink in 6 minutes. Seems like something’s not right in the design if it provides for zero human error.
Anonymous
09/05/2024 11:19
Subject: Has the Bayesian yacht sinking been discussed?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Some of you have never had any human factors education, and it shows.
What does this mean?
Like I said.
Sorry to be daft, but I don’t follow. Can you break it down? What’s your point?
Anonymous
09/05/2024 11:15
Subject: Has the Bayesian yacht sinking been discussed?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Some of you have never had any human factors education, and it shows.
What does this mean?
It means that if a $50 million yacht sinks because a crew member doesn't close a hath, the design is shoddy.
The boatmaker is probably freaking out because there's likely a few boats currently under construction in their yard that is using similar design elements as the Bayesian. So not only is the boat maker looking at lawsuits from the victims, but they may need to halt current production on projects until an investigation is complete. And this is in addition to reputational risk which would affect brand value, future business, etc.
Anonymous
09/05/2024 10:39
Subject: Has the Bayesian yacht sinking been discussed?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Some of you have never had any human factors education, and it shows.
What does this mean?
It means that if a $50 million yacht sinks because a crew member doesn't close a hath, the design is shoddy.
Anonymous
09/05/2024 10:33
Subject: Re:Has the Bayesian yacht sinking been discussed?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Aren’t crew quarters generally below guest suites? How did most of the crew survive but the guests did not?
It was around 4am, so guests were in cabins, crew on deck due to the storm. The chef was sleeping because chefs are off duty at night, so he died too. The captain should have been at dock and not out during the storm. Is it possible the guest insisted on it despite captain's advice? Sure. Still terrible and it made me have more respect for Captain Sandy on Below Deck: she will tell the guests she's staying at dock despite protests and them being very upset, to avoid situations like these.
Boats like this do not "dock" at night. Ever. First there really are not docks that can support it -- Below Deck boats no where near the size of this and you cannot compare the two at all. But no -- this boat would not dock -- it would anchor or moor. So nothing unusual. If this boat came to NY or even DC it would not dock
Perhaps a question for another thread but I've always wondered what people on these yachts do all day, all week. When they anchor or moor, do the passengers just chill on the yacht all day, for days on end? Or do guests frequently take dingies (?) or whatever to shore to go out to eat and booze? Seems like it'd be boring after a while, but I really have no idea what the routine is.
My only window into that life was a weekend I spent on a rich friend’s boat. We were both poor when we met but he went on to become wealthy.
He had a $20+M yacht with a fairly large crew. As far as I could tell it was mostly just a life of goofing off. If you tried to do something like take a dish to the kitchen, the crew would be horrified and not allow it. Apparently on some boats the crew can’t talk to the owner. You have to tell whatever it is to the majordomo and he tells the wife, who in turn has a written with her hubby. It’s all very silly. I’d be happy to have silly existence like that though.
I prefer a fun and meaningful human existence with caring friends and loving family. So many better ways to spend thet money to create joy and comfort.
Anonymous
09/05/2024 09:49
Subject: Has the Bayesian yacht sinking been discussed?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Some of you have never had any human factors education, and it shows.
What does this mean?
Like I said.
Anonymous
09/05/2024 09:47
Subject: Re:Has the Bayesian yacht sinking been discussed?
Four victims of Bayesian superyacht 'had no water in their lungs' amid fears they 'suffocated in cabin air pocket'
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/bayesian-superyacht-four-victims-no-water-lungs-fears-suffocated/
https://www.lbc.co.uk/news/bayesian-superyacht-four-victims-no-water-lungs-fears-suffocated/
Anonymous
09/04/2024 21:42
Subject: Has the Bayesian yacht sinking been discussed?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder whether some of the guest going upstairs to see what was going on (e.g. the wife/owner) left too many doors open.
One of the crew said he had to force open the sliding door of the Bayesian in order to escape (forward to 3:00)
https://youtu.be/Dh2AQMMtbbQ?si=0nRV-ysxvo1Hod9N
What a mess. Hey, billionaire above, might be time to pick up a blue water luxury yacht on the cheap!
Not exactly. The doors on a yacht like that are very much akin to the sliding glass doors you would see on a typical suburban house leading to the back deck.
As vessels roll and heel at sea, there would have to be a mechanism that would prevent gravity from allowing the door to slide open on its own, potentially allowing water ingress. A young man woken at 4:00 a.m. and likely near panic in the crisis may not think of or remember the mechanism and how to disable it, allowing him to easily open the door.
{Latter is pure speculation.}
It’s been reported that the sliding glass doors on this boat were a problem as they would slide on their own whenever the boat heeled too much.
I've read that too, but it's not consistent with a young crew member's report, who was actually there, that he had to "force" the doors open.
Anonymous
09/04/2024 21:08
Subject: Has the Bayesian yacht sinking been discussed?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder whether some of the guest going upstairs to see what was going on (e.g. the wife/owner) left too many doors open.
One of the crew said he had to force open the sliding door of the Bayesian in order to escape (forward to 3:00)
https://youtu.be/Dh2AQMMtbbQ?si=0nRV-ysxvo1Hod9N
What a mess. Hey, billionaire above, might be time to pick up a blue water luxury yacht on the cheap!
Not exactly. The doors on a yacht like that are very much akin to the sliding glass doors you would see on a typical suburban house leading to the back deck.
As vessels roll and heel at sea, there would have to be a mechanism that would prevent gravity from allowing the door to slide open on its own, potentially allowing water ingress. A young man woken at 4:00 a.m. and likely near panic in the crisis may not think of or remember the mechanism and how to disable it, allowing him to easily open the door.
{Latter is pure speculation.}
It’s been reported that the sliding glass doors on this boat were a problem as they would slide on their own whenever the boat heeled too much.
Anonymous
09/04/2024 20:39
Subject: Has the Bayesian yacht sinking been discussed?
^word not written.
Anonymous
09/04/2024 20:38
Subject: Re:Has the Bayesian yacht sinking been discussed?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Aren’t crew quarters generally below guest suites? How did most of the crew survive but the guests did not?
It was around 4am, so guests were in cabins, crew on deck due to the storm. The chef was sleeping because chefs are off duty at night, so he died too. The captain should have been at dock and not out during the storm. Is it possible the guest insisted on it despite captain's advice? Sure. Still terrible and it made me have more respect for Captain Sandy on Below Deck: she will tell the guests she's staying at dock despite protests and them being very upset, to avoid situations like these.
Boats like this do not "dock" at night. Ever. First there really are not docks that can support it -- Below Deck boats no where near the size of this and you cannot compare the two at all. But no -- this boat would not dock -- it would anchor or moor. So nothing unusual. If this boat came to NY or even DC it would not dock
Perhaps a question for another thread but I've always wondered what people on these yachts do all day, all week. When they anchor or moor, do the passengers just chill on the yacht all day, for days on end? Or do guests frequently take dingies (?) or whatever to shore to go out to eat and booze? Seems like it'd be boring after a while, but I really have no idea what the routine is.
My only window into that life was a weekend I spent on a rich friend’s boat. We were both poor when we met but he went on to become wealthy.
He had a $20+M yacht with a fairly large crew. As far as I could tell it was mostly just a life of goofing off. If you tried to do something like take a dish to the kitchen, the crew would be horrified and not allow it. Apparently on some boats the crew can’t talk to the owner. You have to tell whatever it is to the majordomo and he tells the wife, who in turn has a written with her hubby. It’s all very silly. I’d be happy to have silly existence like that though.
Anonymous
09/04/2024 19:33
Subject: Has the Bayesian yacht sinking been discussed?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder whether some of the guest going upstairs to see what was going on (e.g. the wife/owner) left too many doors open.
One of the crew said he had to force open the sliding door of the Bayesian in order to escape (forward to 3:00)
https://youtu.be/Dh2AQMMtbbQ?si=0nRV-ysxvo1Hod9N
What a mess. Hey, billionaire above, might be time to pick up a blue water luxury yacht on the cheap!
Not exactly. The doors on a yacht like that are very much akin to the sliding glass doors you would see on a typical suburban house leading to the back deck.
As vessels roll and heel at sea, there would have to be a mechanism that would prevent gravity from allowing the door to slide open on its own, potentially allowing water ingress. A young man woken at 4:00 a.m. and likely near panic in the crisis may not think of or remember the mechanism and how to disable it, allowing him to easily open the door.
{Latter is pure speculation.}
Anonymous
09/04/2024 19:19
Subject: Has the Bayesian yacht sinking been discussed?
Anonymous wrote:So more of a regular sailboat? This seemed like more of a luxury hotel with a big mast
I just wonder if with a crew that size that someone was dealing with cushions but others were closing down the other openings.
Maybe, maybe not. The vessel was flagged in England and the British Admiralty will investigate and issue a formal report, probably in about a year. They're not interested in blame, but identifying what happened to help ensure it never happens again.
Anonymous
09/04/2024 19:13
Subject: Has the Bayesian yacht sinking been discussed?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I wonder whether some of the guest going upstairs to see what was going on (e.g. the wife/owner) left too many doors open.
One of the crew said he had to force open the sliding door of the Bayesian in order to escape (forward to 3:00)
https://youtu.be/Dh2AQMMtbbQ?si=0nRV-ysxvo1Hod9N
What a mess. Hey, billionaire above, might be time to pick up a blue water luxury yacht on the cheap!
Anonymous
09/04/2024 19:10
Subject: Has the Bayesian yacht sinking been discussed?
Anonymous wrote:Some of you have never had any human factors education, and it shows.
What does this mean?