Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Abortion - grew up thinking there was nothing wrong with having one, but now I think it's morally wrong except in the most extreme circumstances like incest rape. I think in many circumstances an abortion is one of the most cruel and selfish things a woman can do.
Public health care - I think all people should have access to medical care and used to think we needed a UK-style NHS, but working with the VA made me seriously rethink the US government's role ability to run a single payer system.
Gay rights - even in my liberal 80s home growing up my parents (like most I knew in the era) didn't think very highly about gay people and I was very late to the game to support gay marriage and adoption. I'm now very grateful we have national marriage equality.
Wow, this is the only abortion position I DONT understand! How is it so bad to force a raped woman to gestate that you would murder a baby to keep it from happening, but it’s okay to do it if she just got pregnant by accident and doesn’t want to gestate? And why is incest in there at all? The fetus doesn’t know or care about rape or incest? I just don’t get this. Like if the incest is consensual, why does that woman get to have an elective abortion but not other women?
+1 I've always been staunchly pro choice. But if you believe that abortion is murdering babies, then why would the circumstances of the pregnancy matter?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Abortion - grew up thinking there was nothing wrong with having one, but now I think it's morally wrong except in the most extreme circumstances like incest rape. I think in many circumstances an abortion is one of the most cruel and selfish things a woman can do.
Public health care - I think all people should have access to medical care and used to think we needed a UK-style NHS, but working with the VA made me seriously rethink the US government's role ability to run a single payer system.
Gay rights - even in my liberal 80s home growing up my parents (like most I knew in the era) didn't think very highly about gay people and I was very late to the game to support gay marriage and adoption. I'm now very grateful we have national marriage equality.
Wow, this is the only abortion position I DONT understand! How is it so bad to force a raped woman to gestate that you would murder a baby to keep it from happening, but it’s okay to do it if she just got pregnant by accident and doesn’t want to gestate? And why is incest in there at all? The fetus doesn’t know or care about rape or incest? I just don’t get this. Like if the incest is consensual, why does that woman get to have an elective abortion but not other women?
Anonymous wrote:Homelessness. Working in a field where the issue was adjacent to what we did, I learned a lot about them. The majority of them don't want "help" and "services" which means giving up their freedom and agency or means having to do something in return for shelter. They don't want job training or drug treatment. They don't want to live in a shelter. We should just give people housing and have some rules with it but there is a certain subset of people who are never going to function in society and there is no cure for it and they need to have a bathroom and bed and be able to sit inside during the day (shelters are only a place to sleep so they spend the day outdoors or prefer their tents). We also need to bring back mental institutions and allow families the ability to commit family members. It is a broken, useless system for most people. For those who do want a leg up and the help provided, more power to them! But it's a minority who do.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Abortion - grew up thinking there was nothing wrong with having one, but now I think it's morally wrong except in the most extreme circumstances like incest rape. I think in many circumstances an abortion is one of the most cruel and selfish things a woman can do.
Public health care - I think all people should have access to medical care and used to think we needed a UK-style NHS, but working with the VA made me seriously rethink the US government's role ability to run a single payer system.
Gay rights - even in my liberal 80s home growing up my parents (like most I knew in the era) didn't think very highly about gay people and I was very late to the game to support gay marriage and adoption. I'm now very grateful we have national marriage equality.
Wow, this is the only abortion position I DONT understand! How is it so bad to force a raped woman to gestate that you would murder a baby to keep it from happening, but it’s okay to do it if she just got pregnant by accident and doesn’t want to gestate? And why is incest in there at all? The fetus doesn’t know or care about rape or incest? I just don’t get this. Like if the incest is consensual, why does that woman get to have an elective abortion but not other women?
I agree. Life is life and making abortion policy/law based off of very rare examples as opposed to the vast majority of abortions which are basically a means of birth control from consensual sex is ridiculous.
Anonymous wrote:Donald Trump. Will
be voting for him in November.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Abortion - grew up thinking there was nothing wrong with having one, but now I think it's morally wrong except in the most extreme circumstances like incest rape. I think in many circumstances an abortion is one of the most cruel and selfish things a woman can do.
Public health care - I think all people should have access to medical care and used to think we needed a UK-style NHS, but working with the VA made me seriously rethink the US government's role ability to run a single payer system.
Gay rights - even in my liberal 80s home growing up my parents (like most I knew in the era) didn't think very highly about gay people and I was very late to the game to support gay marriage and adoption. I'm now very grateful we have national marriage equality.
Wow, this is the only abortion position I DONT understand! How is it so bad to force a raped woman to gestate that you would murder a baby to keep it from happening, but it’s okay to do it if she just got pregnant by accident and doesn’t want to gestate? And why is incest in there at all? The fetus doesn’t know or care about rape or incest? I just don’t get this. Like if the incest is consensual, why does that woman get to have an elective abortion but not other women?
Anonymous wrote:Abortion - grew up thinking there was nothing wrong with having one, but now I think it's morally wrong except in the most extreme circumstances like incest rape. I think in many circumstances an abortion is one of the most cruel and selfish things a woman can do.
Public health care - I think all people should have access to medical care and used to think we needed a UK-style NHS, but working with the VA made me seriously rethink the US government's role ability to run a single payer system.
Gay rights - even in my liberal 80s home growing up my parents (like most I knew in the era) didn't think very highly about gay people and I was very late to the game to support gay marriage and adoption. I'm now very grateful we have national marriage equality.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Covid vaccination. I've had every shot they recommend, 6 to date and I was very down on people who refused to get the shot in that first year. I wasn't sympathetic to the medical workers and others who got fired for their refusal. Now I am very sympathetic and respect anyone's choice. I still think they are wrong but in the beginning, we were told the shot will keep you from getting the virus and end Covid just as we were able to wipe out polio and so many other diseases with vaccination. I've had Covid twice now and we now know it doesn't work at all to prevent it, but probably makes the symptoms less severe if you do come down with Covid. The many people in my life who never got the shot don't seem to prove that out. Most of them have never had Covid, or maybe only once with symptoms no worse than mine. So yes, I've completely changed my mind about other people's personal choices where at first I blamed them for it not going away.
Your opinion of how well something prevents death or serious illness doesn't make vaccination more or less of a personal choice. Vaccinations aren't a personal choice, it's part of living in society. Grow up.
I changed my mind on vaccines in large part because of attitudes like this. I simply don’t believe that anybody owes anything to “society” just because they happened to be born in a specific place. To be clear, I want everyone to safely and voluntarily participate in vaccines. But you can’t push that on to someone.
I also changed my mind on military service. Went from my experience leading me to believe everyone should serve because of the tremendous benefits (mandatory conscription) to now thinking the draft should be abolished. If the country cannot raise a volunteer military force during time of war then the people are telling you the country is not worth fighting for.
So you also are against measles vaccines? Or just the highly politicized vaccines?
And you do owe society - if you want to live with us and reap the benefits, economically, socially, emotionally, you need to agree to the basic health standards. Are you going to stop using public sewer systems or a zoning approved septic system because you think you don’t owe society a cholera free world? Cmon
I am against all vaccine mandates. To be clear, I want full, voluntary vaccination. But society shouldn’t allocate risk via mandate on the theory that it will benefit the majority at the cost of an extremely small minority.
And nobody owes society their body by virtue of simply being born somewhere.
We accept far more onerous mandates for far less benefit all the time. You’re espousing a view point that turns back progress 100 years. It’s so sad and I’m so sorry people have led you so far astray.
Not that involve one’s body and personal autonomy. In what way have I been led astray?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Covid vaccination. I've had every shot they recommend, 6 to date and I was very down on people who refused to get the shot in that first year. I wasn't sympathetic to the medical workers and others who got fired for their refusal. Now I am very sympathetic and respect anyone's choice. I still think they are wrong but in the beginning, we were told the shot will keep you from getting the virus and end Covid just as we were able to wipe out polio and so many other diseases with vaccination. I've had Covid twice now and we now know it doesn't work at all to prevent it, but probably makes the symptoms less severe if you do come down with Covid. The many people in my life who never got the shot don't seem to prove that out. Most of them have never had Covid, or maybe only once with symptoms no worse than mine. So yes, I've completely changed my mind about other people's personal choices where at first I blamed them for it not going away.
Your opinion of how well something prevents death or serious illness doesn't make vaccination more or less of a personal choice. Vaccinations aren't a personal choice, it's part of living in society. Grow up.
I changed my mind on vaccines in large part because of attitudes like this. I simply don’t believe that anybody owes anything to “society” just because they happened to be born in a specific place. To be clear, I want everyone to safely and voluntarily participate in vaccines. But you can’t push that on to someone.
I also changed my mind on military service. Went from my experience leading me to believe everyone should serve because of the tremendous benefits (mandatory conscription) to now thinking the draft should be abolished. If the country cannot raise a volunteer military force during time of war then the people are telling you the country is not worth fighting for.
So you also are against measles vaccines? Or just the highly politicized vaccines?
And you do owe society - if you want to live with us and reap the benefits, economically, socially, emotionally, you need to agree to the basic health standards. Are you going to stop using public sewer systems or a zoning approved septic system because you think you don’t owe society a cholera free world? Cmon
I am against all vaccine mandates. To be clear, I want full, voluntary vaccination. But society shouldn’t allocate risk via mandate on the theory that it will benefit the majority at the cost of an extremely small minority.
And nobody owes society their body by virtue of simply being born somewhere.
We accept far more onerous mandates for far less benefit all the time. You’re espousing a view point that turns back progress 100 years. It’s so sad and I’m so sorry people have led you so far astray.