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This has blatant falsehoods, unless you plan to produce verifiable data.

This is peak anon posting.

“Your post is blatantly false in my opinion, unless you show me proof, and in that case, I will reject your proof because I just don’t like your post, it offends my self-interest and/or preconception.”

Well, all you have to do is produce the easy to find proof from reputable sources showing that biobanding and relative age effect is a figment of the imagination and has no impact on selection in youth sports.

Then all those countries in Europe for example can drop their silly biobanding programs.

You brought up biobanding, that’s your issue, not mine.

Providing you research that’s easy to find on your own isn’t my job - google is an easy tool to help you find research on relative age and talent ID (ie. team placements) - you can go on your own path of enlightenment, since it’s clear you only listen to yourself.

Never said it wasn’t real. I said it’s effects are narrower over the long term, and the biggest issue of RA is people quit or don’t persevere due to their perceived (a perception or belief is a feeling, not a fact) disadvantage (and that is where you brought in biobanding…because ironically…biobanding is an attempt to solve this specific issue (keeping more players involved in a sport by giving them RA based competition vs making them feel left behind which leads to more drop outs) which you claim is “blatantly false” and you believe that I suggested was a “figment of the imagination”)

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Anonymous wrote:This whole thread is hilarious since people actually think that ECNL cares about kids playing in HS

Right, they don't care about HS. It's just a coincidence that they have their seasons scheduled around each state's HS schedule.

Clubs make the schedule with ECNL and have a lot of say since it’s their fields. Our club (Virginia) has no games April and May but other VA clubs go right through. It’s really up to the clubs as to what they want to do…but agree they don’t care really all that much about high school other than the fact that it gives them a differentiating edge with players/parents against prior DA and MLS which made it difficult if not impossible to play HS soccer unless you are on scholarship. Some kids want that experience (not for the soccer but for the social). What ECNL really cares about is college placement record of its players, hence this thread about the move from birth to college calendar year…They are now putting additional rigor/focus on boys track record here (which never really used to be a focus given their origination as a girls league)…for girls they already have the market cornered hwre (pure numbers of college placements via a via other leagues). and they now need to capture the white space on boys side…which is a fractured pipeline coming from multiple leagues sources and countries…

Sounds like ECNL using slight of hand to make gullible parents feel this increases chances for their sons to get into their desired college through soccer

You're going to graduate HS when you're going to graduate, regardless of what you're doing in club soccer.
The colleges want you for your qualities that matches what they need.

How does ecnl changing from calendar year to school year help a kid's recruitment odds over his competition at Bethesda playing in MLS Next?

If ECNL switches their age groups from starting Jan 1 to starting Aug1 (the year prior) it means their equivalent age groups to calendar defined teams will have players potentially 5 months older.

See how it works

Also calender based teams can play in ECNL tournaments but ECNL teams can't play in calendar based tournaments.

See how it works

Also also ECNL clubs can't switch over to GA without switching up their teams but GA clubs can switch over to ECNL without changing anything.

See how it works

It seems like the change is for the kids but it's not.

Who is moving a club from ECNL to GA without being kicked out of ECNL? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

You never know. Things change all the time.

It doesn't change the real rationale behind ECNL considering an age cutoff change.

It's not to help out the the "trapped" players. It's to give ECNL an advantage of older players and put up a virtual fence around ECNL clubs so they don't participate in other leagues events.

At the risk of stoking a completely different flame (war), ECNL doesn’t need any advantage of older or more mature player than GA. GA, with about 86% as many teams (and maybe 85-88% as many girls) as ECNL , has significantly poorer outcomes for ex-placement. I’m not sure what the advantage ECNL would gain would be when they’re already dominating D1, YNT and WNTs ranks.

Right...

So ECNL gains nothing from making it so its member clubs can't play in other League tournaments and its players are 5 months older then other leagues.

Keep drinking the Koolaid

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This has blatant falsehoods, unless you plan to produce verifiable data.

This is peak anon posting.

“Your post is blatantly false in my opinion, unless you show me proof, and in that case, I will reject your proof because I just don’t like your post, it offends my self-interest and/or preconception.”

Well, all you have to do is produce the easy to find proof from reputable sources showing that biobanding and relative age effect is a figment of the imagination and has no impact on selection in youth sports.

Then all those countries in Europe for example can drop their silly biobanding programs.

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Anonymous wrote:This whole thread is hilarious since people actually think that ECNL cares about kids playing in HS

Right, they don't care about HS. It's just a coincidence that they have their seasons scheduled around each state's HS schedule.

Clubs make the schedule with ECNL and have a lot of say since it’s their fields. Our club (Virginia) has no games April and May but other VA clubs go right through. It’s really up to the clubs as to what they want to do…but agree they don’t care really all that much about high school other than the fact that it gives them a differentiating edge with players/parents against prior DA and MLS which made it difficult if not impossible to play HS soccer unless you are on scholarship. Some kids want that experience (not for the soccer but for the social). What ECNL really cares about is college placement record of its players, hence this thread about the move from birth to college calendar year…They are now putting additional rigor/focus on boys track record here (which never really used to be a focus given their origination as a girls league)…for girls they already have the market cornered hwre (pure numbers of college placements via a via other leagues). and they now need to capture the white space on boys side…which is a fractured pipeline coming from multiple leagues sources and countries…

Sounds like ECNL using slight of hand to make gullible parents feel this increases chances for their sons to get into their desired college through soccer

You're going to graduate HS when you're going to graduate, regardless of what you're doing in club soccer.
The colleges want you for your qualities that matches what they need.

How does ecnl changing from calendar year to school year help a kid's recruitment odds over his competition at Bethesda playing in MLS Next?

If ECNL switches their age groups from starting Jan 1 to starting Aug1 (the year prior) it means their equivalent age groups to calendar defined teams will have players potentially 5 months older.

See how it works

Also calender based teams can play in ECNL tournaments but ECNL teams can't play in calendar based tournaments.

See how it works

Also also ECNL clubs can't switch over to GA without switching up their teams but GA clubs can switch over to ECNL without changing anything.

See how it works

It seems like the change is for the kids but it's not.

Who is moving a club from ECNL to GA without being kicked out of ECNL? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

You never know. Things change all the time.

It doesn't change the real rationale behind ECNL considering an age cutoff change.

It's not to help out the the "trapped" players. It's to give ECNL an advantage of older players and put up a virtual fence around ECNL clubs so they don't participate in other leagues events.

At the risk of stoking a completely different flame (war), ECNL doesn’t need any advantage of older or more mature player than GA. GA, with about 86% as many teams (and maybe 85-88% as many girls) as ECNL , has significantly poorer outcomes for ex-placement. I’m not sure what the advantage ECNL would gain would be when they’re already dominating D1, YNT and WNTs ranks.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This has blatant falsehoods, unless you plan to produce verifiable data.

This is peak anon posting.

“Your post is blatantly false in my opinion, unless you show me proof, and in that case, I will reject your proof because I just don’t like your post, it offends my self-interest and/or preconception.”

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole thread is hilarious since people actually think that ECNL cares about kids playing in HS

Right, they don't care about HS. It's just a coincidence that they have their seasons scheduled around each state's HS schedule.

Clubs make the schedule with ECNL and have a lot of say since it’s their fields. Our club (Virginia) has no games April and May but other VA clubs go right through. It’s really up to the clubs as to what they want to do…but agree they don’t care really all that much about high school other than the fact that it gives them a differentiating edge with players/parents against prior DA and MLS which made it difficult if not impossible to play HS soccer unless you are on scholarship. Some kids want that experience (not for the soccer but for the social). What ECNL really cares about is college placement record of its players, hence this thread about the move from birth to college calendar year…They are now putting additional rigor/focus on boys track record here (which never really used to be a focus given their origination as a girls league)…for girls they already have the market cornered hwre (pure numbers of college placements via a via other leagues). and they now need to capture the white space on boys side…which is a fractured pipeline coming from multiple leagues sources and countries…

Sounds like ECNL using slight of hand to make gullible parents feel this increases chances for their sons to get into their desired college through soccer

You're going to graduate HS when you're going to graduate, regardless of what you're doing in club soccer.
The colleges want you for your qualities that matches what they need.

How does ecnl changing from calendar year to school year help a kid's recruitment odds over his competition at Bethesda playing in MLS Next?

If ECNL switches their age groups from starting Jan 1 to starting Aug1 (the year prior) it means their equivalent age groups to calendar defined teams will have players potentially 5 months older.

See how it works

Also calender based teams can play in ECNL tournaments but ECNL teams can't play in calendar based tournaments.

See how it works

Also also ECNL clubs can't switch over to GA without switching up their teams but GA clubs can switch over to ECNL without changing anything.

See how it works

It seems like the change is for the kids but it's not.

Who is moving a club from ECNL to GA without being kicked out of ECNL? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

You never know. Things change all the time.

It doesn't change the real rationale behind ECNL considering an age cutoff change.

It's not to help out the the "trapped" players. It's to give ECNL an advantage of older players and put up a virtual fence around ECNL clubs so they don't participate in other leagues events.

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This has blatant falsehoods, unless you plan to produce verifiable data.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole thread is hilarious since people actually think that ECNL cares about kids playing in HS

Right, they don't care about HS. It's just a coincidence that they have their seasons scheduled around each state's HS schedule.

Clubs make the schedule with ECNL and have a lot of say since it’s their fields. Our club (Virginia) has no games April and May but other VA clubs go right through. It’s really up to the clubs as to what they want to do…but agree they don’t care really all that much about high school other than the fact that it gives them a differentiating edge with players/parents against prior DA and MLS which made it difficult if not impossible to play HS soccer unless you are on scholarship. Some kids want that experience (not for the soccer but for the social). What ECNL really cares about is college placement record of its players, hence this thread about the move from birth to college calendar year…They are now putting additional rigor/focus on boys track record here (which never really used to be a focus given their origination as a girls league)…for girls they already have the market cornered hwre (pure numbers of college placements via a via other leagues). and they now need to capture the white space on boys side…which is a fractured pipeline coming from multiple leagues sources and countries…

Sounds like ECNL using slight of hand to make gullible parents feel this increases chances for their sons to get into their desired college through soccer

You're going to graduate HS when you're going to graduate, regardless of what you're doing in club soccer.
The colleges want you for your qualities that matches what they need.

How does ecnl changing from calendar year to school year help a kid's recruitment odds over his competition at Bethesda playing in MLS Next?

Ohhh yes all parents of trapped players must be gullible.

There are only two main times where the kids get trapped:

8th grade and 12th grade.

Most of the kids trapped at 12th grade have already gotten their looks and have enough of a record on film and statistics.

The 8th graders are the ones that sort of miss a year of good challenging development with their grade peers - but not really much in the case of true development because ECNL teams aren’t built for “school friends” anyway - so it’s so sort of 90% a feeling and 10% a truth / fact.

There are some ECNL teams that have more Q4 kids than others - but they are the exception.

If you look at the pyramid too, developmentally at the top levels there is a normal distribution for birth quarters - only at the club and NT regional camps is there any relative age incidence. The national teams and professional teams do a good job looking at talent, potential, discipline, character, family life / environment, etc.

The research shows that the relative age effect is real, but its impact is specific, and narrow. And more than anything it is a limiting belief (feeling) than a long term impact (fact) - that said that belief does cause many families to use it as an excuse for why they or their athlete didn’t do the work to get the outcome that felt entitled to getting.

This has blatant falsehoods, unless you plan to produce verifiable data.

The main reason for biobanding resulting from relative age effect research and studies is the fact that Q4 at the academy levels is very underrepresented.
If that wasn't the case, biobanding wouldn't exist.

Your words can't override facts regardless of edumacated they may sound.

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Anonymous wrote:This whole thread is hilarious since people actually think that ECNL cares about kids playing in HS

Right, they don't care about HS. It's just a coincidence that they have their seasons scheduled around each state's HS schedule.

Clubs make the schedule with ECNL and have a lot of say since it’s their fields. Our club (Virginia) has no games April and May but other VA clubs go right through. It’s really up to the clubs as to what they want to do…but agree they don’t care really all that much about high school other than the fact that it gives them a differentiating edge with players/parents against prior DA and MLS which made it difficult if not impossible to play HS soccer unless you are on scholarship. Some kids want that experience (not for the soccer but for the social). What ECNL really cares about is college placement record of its players, hence this thread about the move from birth to college calendar year…They are now putting additional rigor/focus on boys track record here (which never really used to be a focus given their origination as a girls league)…for girls they already have the market cornered hwre (pure numbers of college placements via a via other leagues). and they now need to capture the white space on boys side…which is a fractured pipeline coming from multiple leagues sources and countries…

Sounds like ECNL using slight of hand to make gullible parents feel this increases chances for their sons to get into their desired college through soccer

You're going to graduate HS when you're going to graduate, regardless of what you're doing in club soccer.
The colleges want you for your qualities that matches what they need.

How does ecnl changing from calendar year to school year help a kid's recruitment odds over his competition at Bethesda playing in MLS Next?

Ohhh yes all parents of trapped players must be gullible.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole thread is hilarious since people actually think that ECNL cares about kids playing in HS

Right, they don't care about HS. It's just a coincidence that they have their seasons scheduled around each state's HS schedule.

Clubs make the schedule with ECNL and have a lot of say since it’s their fields. Our club (Virginia) has no games April and May but other VA clubs go right through. It’s really up to the clubs as to what they want to do…but agree they don’t care really all that much about high school other than the fact that it gives them a differentiating edge with players/parents against prior DA and MLS which made it difficult if not impossible to play HS soccer unless you are on scholarship. Some kids want that experience (not for the soccer but for the social). What ECNL really cares about is college placement record of its players, hence this thread about the move from birth to college calendar year…They are now putting additional rigor/focus on boys track record here (which never really used to be a focus given their origination as a girls league)…for girls they already have the market cornered hwre (pure numbers of college placements via a via other leagues). and they now need to capture the white space on boys side…which is a fractured pipeline coming from multiple leagues sources and countries…

Sounds like ECNL using slight of hand to make gullible parents feel this increases chances for their sons to get into their desired college through soccer

You're going to graduate HS when you're going to graduate, regardless of what you're doing in club soccer.
The colleges want you for your qualities that matches what they need.

How does ecnl changing from calendar year to school year help a kid's recruitment odds over his competition at Bethesda playing in MLS Next?

If ECNL switches their age groups from starting Jan 1 to starting Aug1 (the year prior) it means their equivalent age groups to calendar defined teams will have players potentially 5 months older.

See how it works

Also calender based teams can play in ECNL tournaments but ECNL teams can't play in calendar based tournaments.

See how it works

Also also ECNL clubs can't switch over to GA without switching up their teams but GA clubs can switch over to ECNL without changing anything.

See how it works

It seems like the change is for the kids but it's not.

Who is moving a club from ECNL to GA without being kicked out of ECNL? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

You never know. Things change all the time.

It doesn't change the real rationale behind ECNL considering an age cutoff change.

It's not to help out the the "trapped" players. It's to give ECNL an advantage of older players and put up a virtual fence around ECNL clubs so they don't participate in other leagues events.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole thread is hilarious since people actually think that ECNL cares about kids playing in HS

Right, they don't care about HS. It's just a coincidence that they have their seasons scheduled around each state's HS schedule.

Clubs make the schedule with ECNL and have a lot of say since it’s their fields. Our club (Virginia) has no games April and May but other VA clubs go right through. It’s really up to the clubs as to what they want to do…but agree they don’t care really all that much about high school other than the fact that it gives them a differentiating edge with players/parents against prior DA and MLS which made it difficult if not impossible to play HS soccer unless you are on scholarship. Some kids want that experience (not for the soccer but for the social). What ECNL really cares about is college placement record of its players, hence this thread about the move from birth to college calendar year…They are now putting additional rigor/focus on boys track record here (which never really used to be a focus given their origination as a girls league)…for girls they already have the market cornered hwre (pure numbers of college placements via a via other leagues). and they now need to capture the white space on boys side…which is a fractured pipeline coming from multiple leagues sources and countries…

Sounds like ECNL using slight of hand to make gullible parents feel this increases chances for their sons to get into their desired college through soccer

You're going to graduate HS when you're going to graduate, regardless of what you're doing in club soccer.
The colleges want you for your qualities that matches what they need.

How does ecnl changing from calendar year to school year help a kid's recruitment odds over his competition at Bethesda playing in MLS Next?

Ohhh yes all parents of trapped players must be gullible.

There are only two main times where the kids get trapped:

8th grade and 12th grade.

Most of the kids trapped at 12th grade have already gotten their looks and have enough of a record on film and statistics.

The 8th graders are the ones that sort of miss a year of good challenging development with their grade peers - but not really much in the case of true development because ECNL teams aren’t built for “school friends” anyway - so it’s so sort of 90% a feeling and 10% a truth / fact.

There are some ECNL teams that have more Q4 kids than others - but they are the exception.

If you look at the pyramid too, developmentally at the top levels there is a normal distribution for birth quarters - only at the club and NT regional camps is there any relative age incidence. The national teams and professional teams do a good job looking at talent, potential, discipline, character, family life / environment, etc.

The research shows that the relative age effect is real, but its impact is specific, and narrow. And more than anything it is a limiting belief (feeling) than a long term impact (fact) - that said that belief does cause many families to use it as an excuse for why they or their athlete didn’t do the work to get the outcome that felt entitled to getting.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole thread is hilarious since people actually think that ECNL cares about kids playing in HS

Right, they don't care about HS. It's just a coincidence that they have their seasons scheduled around each state's HS schedule.

Clubs make the schedule with ECNL and have a lot of say since it’s their fields. Our club (Virginia) has no games April and May but other VA clubs go right through. It’s really up to the clubs as to what they want to do…but agree they don’t care really all that much about high school other than the fact that it gives them a differentiating edge with players/parents against prior DA and MLS which made it difficult if not impossible to play HS soccer unless you are on scholarship. Some kids want that experience (not for the soccer but for the social). What ECNL really cares about is college placement record of its players, hence this thread about the move from birth to college calendar year…They are now putting additional rigor/focus on boys track record here (which never really used to be a focus given their origination as a girls league)…for girls they already have the market cornered hwre (pure numbers of college placements via a via other leagues). and they now need to capture the white space on boys side…which is a fractured pipeline coming from multiple leagues sources and countries…

Sounds like ECNL using slight of hand to make gullible parents feel this increases chances for their sons to get into their desired college through soccer

You're going to graduate HS when you're going to graduate, regardless of what you're doing in club soccer.
The colleges want you for your qualities that matches what they need.

How does ecnl changing from calendar year to school year help a kid's recruitment odds over his competition at Bethesda playing in MLS Next?

If ECNL switches their age groups from starting Jan 1 to starting Aug1 (the year prior) it means their equivalent age groups to calendar defined teams will have players potentially 5 months older.

See how it works

Also calender based teams can play in ECNL tournaments but ECNL teams can't play in calendar based tournaments.

See how it works

Also also ECNL clubs can't switch over to GA without switching up their teams but GA clubs can switch over to ECNL without changing anything.

See how it works

It seems like the change is for the kids but it's not.

Who is moving a club from ECNL to GA without being kicked out of ECNL? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole thread is hilarious since people actually think that ECNL cares about kids playing in HS

Right, they don't care about HS. It's just a coincidence that they have their seasons scheduled around each state's HS schedule.

Clubs make the schedule with ECNL and have a lot of say since it’s their fields. Our club (Virginia) has no games April and May but other VA clubs go right through. It’s really up to the clubs as to what they want to do…but agree they don’t care really all that much about high school other than the fact that it gives them a differentiating edge with players/parents against prior DA and MLS which made it difficult if not impossible to play HS soccer unless you are on scholarship. Some kids want that experience (not for the soccer but for the social). What ECNL really cares about is college placement record of its players, hence this thread about the move from birth to college calendar year…They are now putting additional rigor/focus on boys track record here (which never really used to be a focus given their origination as a girls league)…for girls they already have the market cornered hwre (pure numbers of college placements via a via other leagues). and they now need to capture the white space on boys side…which is a fractured pipeline coming from multiple leagues sources and countries…

Sounds like ECNL using slight of hand to make gullible parents feel this increases chances for their sons to get into their desired college through soccer

You're going to graduate HS when you're going to graduate, regardless of what you're doing in club soccer.
The colleges want you for your qualities that matches what they need.

How does ecnl changing from calendar year to school year help a kid's recruitment odds over his competition at Bethesda playing in MLS Next?

If ECNL switches their age groups from starting Jan 1 to starting Aug1 (the year prior) it means their equivalent age groups to calendar defined teams will have players potentially 5 months older.

See how it works

Also calender based teams can play in ECNL tournaments but ECNL teams can't play in calendar based tournaments.

See how it works

Also also ECNL clubs can't switch over to GA without switching up their teams but GA clubs can switch over to ECNL without changing anything.

See how it works

It seems like the change is for the kids but it's not.