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A very different version is emerging than what we initially thought.

Anonymous wrote:55 is elderly?

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Anonymous wrote:Kayla Brown’s parents contacted 911 to seek help for their daughter who wasn’t acting normal after consuming drugs. Why did the authorities leave her unattended at the hospital? She should have been under constant supervision by hospital staff or security. I feel that this is the fault of our law enforcement and health care system. We need a better way to address mental illness and drug abuse. The law enforcement and hospital need to take some blame for this event.

Do you realize how much staffing is necessary to stay with every patient like the carjacker? Good luck with that.

I had a family member taken into a an ER on psych watch —- two different hospitals and they both had someone stationed at her door to watch. That’s standard protocol for psych admits. Possible she overpowered that person — they aren’t cops, just staffers. But they do typically assign one on one observation for psych cases. And my family member was just a little depressed—not “acting crazy” like this.

Do we know if the carjacker was a psych admit?

I don't even think she'd been admitted yet. From the sounds of the court documents that were released, she and the woman who died just had the misfortune of arriving at the ER at the same time. It does not sound like a mental health crisis, it sounds like she took bad drugs.

She should absolutely be in jail for carjacking - drugs are no excuse. Unfortunately I have no faith in the DC courts to bother if it was just carjacking. However, the court documents also make it sound like the woman who died was mid-heart attack or stroke en route to the ER entrance. So it will be very, very difficult to prove that Kayla killed her. I certainly don't think she died in the crash - if she died, why wasn't Kayla seriously injured?

If the elderly woman was dead at the time Kayla took the car, it isn’t carjacking. You can’t carjack a vehicle from a dead person.

No one is suggesting she carjacked it from the dead woman. The car didn't even belong to the decedent. The car belonged to the decedent's very-much-alive adult daughter. That is who it was carjacked from.

Carjacking isn’t the same as auto theft. It requires that the suspect take the vehicle from the victim’s immediate actual possession. If the victim is inside the hospital getting a wheelchair, she can’t possibly be in immediate actual possession of a vehicle that’s outside.

So. If a mom runs into the store and it's stolen with a 13 year old child inside, itself not carjacking because the kid doesn't own the car?

No. Try to keep up. If the only person in/around the car is dead, Kayle is guilty of auto theft but not carjacking. It has nothing to do with who owns the car.

DP. It's kidnapping and felony murder unless Brown can prove that the passenger was already deceased before she came anywhere near the vehicle.

She doesn’t have to prove a thing. The prosecution will need to prove the decedent was alive at the moment she took the car.

Yes, the prosecution needs to prove it's case. Not difficult - needing a wheelchair is not something that dead people do.

She had MS and was experiencing a medical emergency that left her unable to feel her legs. Is it really that far fetched to believe that she was deceased at the time the car was taken?

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Anonymous wrote:Kayla Brown’s parents contacted 911 to seek help for their daughter who wasn’t acting normal after consuming drugs. Why did the authorities leave her unattended at the hospital? She should have been under constant supervision by hospital staff or security. I feel that this is the fault of our law enforcement and health care system. We need a better way to address mental illness and drug abuse. The law enforcement and hospital need to take some blame for this event.

Do you realize how much staffing is necessary to stay with every patient like the carjacker? Good luck with that.

I had a family member taken into a an ER on psych watch —- two different hospitals and they both had someone stationed at her door to watch. That’s standard protocol for psych admits. Possible she overpowered that person — they aren’t cops, just staffers. But they do typically assign one on one observation for psych cases. And my family member was just a little depressed—not “acting crazy” like this.

Do we know if the carjacker was a psych admit?

I don't even think she'd been admitted yet. From the sounds of the court documents that were released, she and the woman who died just had the misfortune of arriving at the ER at the same time. It does not sound like a mental health crisis, it sounds like she took bad drugs.

She should absolutely be in jail for carjacking - drugs are no excuse. Unfortunately I have no faith in the DC courts to bother if it was just carjacking. However, the court documents also make it sound like the woman who died was mid-heart attack or stroke en route to the ER entrance. So it will be very, very difficult to prove that Kayla killed her. I certainly don't think she died in the crash - if she died, why wasn't Kayla seriously injured?

If the elderly woman was dead at the time Kayla took the car, it isn’t carjacking. You can’t carjack a vehicle from a dead person.

No one is suggesting she carjacked it from the dead woman. The car didn't even belong to the decedent. The car belonged to the decedent's very-much-alive adult daughter. That is who it was carjacked from.

Carjacking isn’t the same as auto theft. It requires that the suspect take the vehicle from the victim’s immediate actual possession. If the victim is inside the hospital getting a wheelchair, she can’t possibly be in immediate actual possession of a vehicle that’s outside.

So. If a mom runs into the store and it's stolen with a 13 year old child inside, itself not carjacking because the kid doesn't own the car?

No. Try to keep up. If the only person in/around the car is dead, Kayle is guilty of auto theft but not carjacking. It has nothing to do with who owns the car.

DP. It's kidnapping and felony murder unless Brown can prove that the passenger was already deceased before she came anywhere near the vehicle.

She doesn’t have to prove a thing. The prosecution will need to prove the decedent was alive at the moment she took the car.

Yes, the prosecution needs to prove it's case. Not difficult - needing a wheelchair is not something that dead people do.

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Anonymous wrote:This will get plead down thankfully. That young woman deserves a second chance.

A second chance at what? Killing?

Anonymous wrote:The old woman was already dead when she got in the car. Case closed. Sorry you racists won’t get to incarcerate another Black child for life.

Anonymous wrote:The old woman was already dead when she got in the car. Case closed. Sorry you racists won’t get to incarcerate another Black child for life.

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Anonymous wrote:Kayla Brown’s parents contacted 911 to seek help for their daughter who wasn’t acting normal after consuming drugs. Why did the authorities leave her unattended at the hospital? She should have been under constant supervision by hospital staff or security. I feel that this is the fault of our law enforcement and health care system. We need a better way to address mental illness and drug abuse. The law enforcement and hospital need to take some blame for this event.

Do you realize how much staffing is necessary to stay with every patient like the carjacker? Good luck with that.

I had a family member taken into a an ER on psych watch —- two different hospitals and they both had someone stationed at her door to watch. That’s standard protocol for psych admits. Possible she overpowered that person — they aren’t cops, just staffers. But they do typically assign one on one observation for psych cases. And my family member was just a little depressed—not “acting crazy” like this.

Do we know if the carjacker was a psych admit?

I don't even think she'd been admitted yet. From the sounds of the court documents that were released, she and the woman who died just had the misfortune of arriving at the ER at the same time. It does not sound like a mental health crisis, it sounds like she took bad drugs.

She should absolutely be in jail for carjacking - drugs are no excuse. Unfortunately I have no faith in the DC courts to bother if it was just carjacking. However, the court documents also make it sound like the woman who died was mid-heart attack or stroke en route to the ER entrance. So it will be very, very difficult to prove that Kayla killed her. I certainly don't think she died in the crash - if she died, why wasn't Kayla seriously injured?

If the elderly woman was dead at the time Kayla took the car, it isn’t carjacking. You can’t carjack a vehicle from a dead person.

So you can shoot the car owner dead and steal their car and it won’t be carjacking?

I’ll make note.

What on earth are you talking about? That is dumb. Seriously. Try to be coherent.

If you murder someone in their house and then walk outside and steal their car then you are guilty of homicide and car theft but no that is not the same as carjacking.

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Anonymous wrote:Kayla Brown’s parents contacted 911 to seek help for their daughter who wasn’t acting normal after consuming drugs. Why did the authorities leave her unattended at the hospital? She should have been under constant supervision by hospital staff or security. I feel that this is the fault of our law enforcement and health care system. We need a better way to address mental illness and drug abuse. The law enforcement and hospital need to take some blame for this event.

Do you realize how much staffing is necessary to stay with every patient like the carjacker? Good luck with that.

I had a family member taken into a an ER on psych watch —- two different hospitals and they both had someone stationed at her door to watch. That’s standard protocol for psych admits. Possible she overpowered that person — they aren’t cops, just staffers. But they do typically assign one on one observation for psych cases. And my family member was just a little depressed—not “acting crazy” like this.

Do we know if the carjacker was a psych admit?

I don't even think she'd been admitted yet. From the sounds of the court documents that were released, she and the woman who died just had the misfortune of arriving at the ER at the same time. It does not sound like a mental health crisis, it sounds like she took bad drugs.

She should absolutely be in jail for carjacking - drugs are no excuse. Unfortunately I have no faith in the DC courts to bother if it was just carjacking. However, the court documents also make it sound like the woman who died was mid-heart attack or stroke en route to the ER entrance. So it will be very, very difficult to prove that Kayla killed her. I certainly don't think she died in the crash - if she died, why wasn't Kayla seriously injured?

If the elderly woman was dead at the time Kayla took the car, it isn’t carjacking. You can’t carjack a vehicle from a dead person.

No one is suggesting she carjacked it from the dead woman. The car didn't even belong to the decedent. The car belonged to the decedent's very-much-alive adult daughter. That is who it was carjacked from.

Carjacking isn’t the same as auto theft. It requires that the suspect take the vehicle from the victim’s immediate actual possession. If the victim is inside the hospital getting a wheelchair, she can’t possibly be in immediate actual possession of a vehicle that’s outside.

So. If a mom runs into the store and it's stolen with a 13 year old child inside, itself not carjacking because the kid doesn't own the car?

No. Try to keep up. If the only person in/around the car is dead, Kayle is guilty of auto theft but not carjacking. It has nothing to do with who owns the car.

DP. It's kidnapping and felony murder unless Brown can prove that the passenger was already deceased before she came anywhere near the vehicle.

She doesn’t have to prove a thing. The prosecution will need to prove the decedent was alive at the moment she took the car.

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Anonymous wrote:Kayla Brown’s parents contacted 911 to seek help for their daughter who wasn’t acting normal after consuming drugs. Why did the authorities leave her unattended at the hospital? She should have been under constant supervision by hospital staff or security. I feel that this is the fault of our law enforcement and health care system. We need a better way to address mental illness and drug abuse. The law enforcement and hospital need to take some blame for this event.

Do you realize how much staffing is necessary to stay with every patient like the carjacker? Good luck with that.

I had a family member taken into a an ER on psych watch —- two different hospitals and they both had someone stationed at her door to watch. That’s standard protocol for psych admits. Possible she overpowered that person — they aren’t cops, just staffers. But they do typically assign one on one observation for psych cases. And my family member was just a little depressed—not “acting crazy” like this.

Do we know if the carjacker was a psych admit?

I don't even think she'd been admitted yet. From the sounds of the court documents that were released, she and the woman who died just had the misfortune of arriving at the ER at the same time. It does not sound like a mental health crisis, it sounds like she took bad drugs.

She should absolutely be in jail for carjacking - drugs are no excuse. Unfortunately I have no faith in the DC courts to bother if it was just carjacking. However, the court documents also make it sound like the woman who died was mid-heart attack or stroke en route to the ER entrance. So it will be very, very difficult to prove that Kayla killed her. I certainly don't think she died in the crash - if she died, why wasn't Kayla seriously injured?

If the elderly woman was dead at the time Kayla took the car, it isn’t carjacking. You can’t carjack a vehicle from a dead person.

No one is suggesting she carjacked it from the dead woman. The car didn't even belong to the decedent. The car belonged to the decedent's very-much-alive adult daughter. That is who it was carjacked from.

Carjacking isn’t the same as auto theft. It requires that the suspect take the vehicle from the victim’s immediate actual possession. If the victim is inside the hospital getting a wheelchair, she can’t possibly be in immediate actual possession of a vehicle that’s outside.

So. If a mom runs into the store and it's stolen with a 13 year old child inside, itself not carjacking because the kid doesn't own the car?

No. Try to keep up. If the only person in/around the car is dead, Kayle is guilty of auto theft but not carjacking. It has nothing to do with who owns the car.

DP. It's kidnapping and felony murder unless Brown can prove that the passenger was already deceased before she came anywhere near the vehicle.

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Anonymous wrote:Kayla Brown’s parents contacted 911 to seek help for their daughter who wasn’t acting normal after consuming drugs. Why did the authorities leave her unattended at the hospital? She should have been under constant supervision by hospital staff or security. I feel that this is the fault of our law enforcement and health care system. We need a better way to address mental illness and drug abuse. The law enforcement and hospital need to take some blame for this event.

Do you realize how much staffing is necessary to stay with every patient like the carjacker? Good luck with that.

I had a family member taken into a an ER on psych watch —- two different hospitals and they both had someone stationed at her door to watch. That’s standard protocol for psych admits. Possible she overpowered that person — they aren’t cops, just staffers. But they do typically assign one on one observation for psych cases. And my family member was just a little depressed—not “acting crazy” like this.

Do we know if the carjacker was a psych admit?

I don't even think she'd been admitted yet. From the sounds of the court documents that were released, she and the woman who died just had the misfortune of arriving at the ER at the same time. It does not sound like a mental health crisis, it sounds like she took bad drugs.

She should absolutely be in jail for carjacking - drugs are no excuse. Unfortunately I have no faith in the DC courts to bother if it was just carjacking. However, the court documents also make it sound like the woman who died was mid-heart attack or stroke en route to the ER entrance. So it will be very, very difficult to prove that Kayla killed her. I certainly don't think she died in the crash - if she died, why wasn't Kayla seriously injured?

If the elderly woman was dead at the time Kayla took the car, it isn’t carjacking. You can’t carjack a vehicle from a dead person.

No one is suggesting she carjacked it from the dead woman. The car didn't even belong to the decedent. The car belonged to the decedent's very-much-alive adult daughter. That is who it was carjacked from.

Carjacking isn’t the same as auto theft. It requires that the suspect take the vehicle from the victim’s immediate actual possession. If the victim is inside the hospital getting a wheelchair, she can’t possibly be in immediate actual possession of a vehicle that’s outside.

So. If a mom runs into the store and it's stolen with a 13 year old child inside, itself not carjacking because the kid doesn't own the car?

No. Try to keep up. If the only person in/around the car is dead, Kayle is guilty of auto theft but not carjacking. It has nothing to do with who owns the car.

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Anonymous wrote:Kayla Brown’s parents contacted 911 to seek help for their daughter who wasn’t acting normal after consuming drugs. Why did the authorities leave her unattended at the hospital? She should have been under constant supervision by hospital staff or security. I feel that this is the fault of our law enforcement and health care system. We need a better way to address mental illness and drug abuse. The law enforcement and hospital need to take some blame for this event.

Do you realize how much staffing is necessary to stay with every patient like the carjacker? Good luck with that.

I had a family member taken into a an ER on psych watch —- two different hospitals and they both had someone stationed at her door to watch. That’s standard protocol for psych admits. Possible she overpowered that person — they aren’t cops, just staffers. But they do typically assign one on one observation for psych cases. And my family member was just a little depressed—not “acting crazy” like this.

Do we know if the carjacker was a psych admit?

I don't even think she'd been admitted yet. From the sounds of the court documents that were released, she and the woman who died just had the misfortune of arriving at the ER at the same time. It does not sound like a mental health crisis, it sounds like she took bad drugs.

She should absolutely be in jail for carjacking - drugs are no excuse. Unfortunately I have no faith in the DC courts to bother if it was just carjacking. However, the court documents also make it sound like the woman who died was mid-heart attack or stroke en route to the ER entrance. So it will be very, very difficult to prove that Kayla killed her. I certainly don't think she died in the crash - if she died, why wasn't Kayla seriously injured?

If the elderly woman was dead at the time Kayla took the car, it isn’t carjacking. You can’t carjack a vehicle from a dead person.

No one is suggesting she carjacked it from the dead woman. The car didn't even belong to the decedent. The car belonged to the decedent's very-much-alive adult daughter. That is who it was carjacked from.

Carjacking isn’t the same as auto theft. It requires that the suspect take the vehicle from the victim’s immediate actual possession. If the victim is inside the hospital getting a wheelchair, she can’t possibly be in immediate actual possession of a vehicle that’s outside.

So. If a mom runs into the store and it's stolen with a 13 year old child inside, itself not carjacking because the kid doesn't own the car?

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Anonymous wrote:Kayla Brown’s parents contacted 911 to seek help for their daughter who wasn’t acting normal after consuming drugs. Why did the authorities leave her unattended at the hospital? She should have been under constant supervision by hospital staff or security. I feel that this is the fault of our law enforcement and health care system. We need a better way to address mental illness and drug abuse. The law enforcement and hospital need to take some blame for this event.

Do you realize how much staffing is necessary to stay with every patient like the carjacker? Good luck with that.

I had a family member taken into a an ER on psych watch —- two different hospitals and they both had someone stationed at her door to watch. That’s standard protocol for psych admits. Possible she overpowered that person — they aren’t cops, just staffers. But they do typically assign one on one observation for psych cases. And my family member was just a little depressed—not “acting crazy” like this.

Do we know if the carjacker was a psych admit?

I don't even think she'd been admitted yet. From the sounds of the court documents that were released, she and the woman who died just had the misfortune of arriving at the ER at the same time. It does not sound like a mental health crisis, it sounds like she took bad drugs.

She should absolutely be in jail for carjacking - drugs are no excuse. Unfortunately I have no faith in the DC courts to bother if it was just carjacking. However, the court documents also make it sound like the woman who died was mid-heart attack or stroke en route to the ER entrance. So it will be very, very difficult to prove that Kayla killed her. I certainly don't think she died in the crash - if she died, why wasn't Kayla seriously injured?

If the elderly woman was dead at the time Kayla took the car, it isn’t carjacking. You can’t carjack a vehicle from a dead person.

No one is suggesting she carjacked it from the dead woman. The car didn't even belong to the decedent. The car belonged to the decedent's very-much-alive adult daughter. That is who it was carjacked from.

Carjacking isn’t the same as auto theft. It requires that the suspect take the vehicle from the victim’s immediate actual possession. If the victim is inside the hospital getting a wheelchair, she can’t possibly be in immediate actual possession of a vehicle that’s outside.

So. If a mom runs into the store and it's stolen with a 13 year old child inside, itself not carjacking because the kid doesn't own the car?