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Anonymous wrote:I’m just not interested in competing against SAHMs who have time to learn all the hacks and systems. I’m busy, so it sounds like way too much work.

I work full time and know most of the good hacks - it’s really not that hard. It’s just like planning a regular vacation. Most of the actual “work” is time on the phone getting LL’s when you’re actually there.

Not 100% sure why you tried to make this a SAHM vs. working mom issue.

I don't understand PPs point about working/not working but there are some serious Disney fanatics (of all types) a newbie is up against and it can be very overwhelming for a first time visitor to get up to speed which sucks the fun out of a vacation.

I do. Disney is a perfect for vacation with a SAHM with a lot of time on her hands. A woman who is type A and doesn’t have an outlet for it. I see HS classmates who are SAHMs taking Disney vacations and it’s perfect for them.

You would be shocked at how many childless adults are Disney addicts then. You clearly don't understand the fan base.

It's perfect for anyone who is type A, loves to plan, and has time on their hands to do all that planning - not matter of they have kids or not.

Sounds like a horrible way to vacation!

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Anonymous wrote:I’m just not interested in competing against SAHMs who have time to learn all the hacks and systems. I’m busy, so it sounds like way too much work.

I work full time and know most of the good hacks - it’s really not that hard. It’s just like planning a regular vacation. Most of the actual “work” is time on the phone getting LL’s when you’re actually there.

Not 100% sure why you tried to make this a SAHM vs. working mom issue.

I don't understand PPs point about working/not working but there are some serious Disney fanatics (of all types) a newbie is up against and it can be very overwhelming for a first time visitor to get up to speed which sucks the fun out of a vacation.

I do. Disney is a perfect for vacation with a SAHM with a lot of time on her hands. A woman who is type A and doesn’t have an outlet for it. I see HS classmates who are SAHMs taking Disney vacations and it’s perfect for them.

You would be shocked at how many childless adults are Disney addicts then. You clearly don't understand the fan base.

It's perfect for anyone who is type A, loves to plan, and has time on their hands to do all that planning - not matter of they have kids or not.

Sounds like a horrible way to vacation!

DP. I don’t think the amount of planning for Disney is really much different from the amount of planning you’d do for any vacation where there are a lot of different activities and you have to choose between them and maybe know in advance which you prioritize. The real issue is that there is so much to do in a limited time period so you have to plan, if you have preferences. It’s not like there’s some place just like Disney, but requires less planning. And the Genie+ app actually is quite easy to use.

About the only “trick” you really need is to understand that you need to get right online at 6:59 for those few super popular rides, or plan to “rope drop” them. You can have a perfectly great time even without that. But just like you wouldn’t expect to waltz into the hottest restaurant on your vacation with no reservation, you do have to plan if you want to ride the most popular rides.

This is a terrible analogy. When I go on vacation there are maybe one or two activities I need reservations for and I can get those reservations (or know I haven't gotten them) weeks in advance, and plan around that. I'm not spending my vacation trying to get reservations for the things I want to do.

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Anonymous wrote:All of the discussions in this thread literally prove beyond a doubt now terrible it is to go to Disney. Look at how much work you all describe it being just to go there.

This. Why the hell would I look forward to spending an insane amount of money after spending 50 hours pre-planning the visit. International travel is far easier and cheaper.

I find it hard to believe there isn’t a lot of preplanning involved with an international trip.

Exactly. You don't just show up in Paris or Rome without planning and getting advance museum tickets, tour tickets, etc.

I mean I usually do. I’ve never pre booked anything for a trip except hotels. There’s always plenty to see and do and explore without scheduling ourselves ahead of time. Much nicer to take each day as we feel like.

Anonymous wrote:I mean, I know the old FastPass isn't coming back, but especially for families with special needs members, it was great. Made it much easier to plan everything out from finding restaurants that accommodate restricted diets, to figuring out timing of rides. My family previously loved Disney (we've done three separate week-long Disney trips as a family of four in the past decade), but now that things are so much more expensive and crowded, we're skipping it on a California road trip.

Anonymous wrote:I think it is a one & done experience. It’s cool, but the hassles (heat, lines, etc) are a preventative crime going back.

You’ve been with your kids, so you had the experience- why do you want them to go back?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m just not interested in competing against SAHMs who have time to learn all the hacks and systems. I’m busy, so it sounds like way too much work.

I work full time and know most of the good hacks - it’s really not that hard. It’s just like planning a regular vacation. Most of the actual “work” is time on the phone getting LL’s when you’re actually there.

Not 100% sure why you tried to make this a SAHM vs. working mom issue.

I don't understand PPs point about working/not working but there are some serious Disney fanatics (of all types) a newbie is up against and it can be very overwhelming for a first time visitor to get up to speed which sucks the fun out of a vacation.

I do. Disney is a perfect for vacation with a SAHM with a lot of time on her hands. A woman who is type A and doesn’t have an outlet for it. I see HS classmates who are SAHMs taking Disney vacations and it’s perfect for them.

You would be shocked at how many childless adults are Disney addicts then. You clearly don't understand the fan base.

It's perfect for anyone who is type A, loves to plan, and has time on their hands to do all that planning - not matter of they have kids or not.

Sounds like a horrible way to vacation!

DP. I don’t think the amount of planning for Disney is really much different from the amount of planning you’d do for any vacation where there are a lot of different activities and you have to choose between them and maybe know in advance which you prioritize. The real issue is that there is so much to do in a limited time period so you have to plan, if you have preferences. It’s not like there’s some place just like Disney, but requires less planning. And the Genie+ app actually is quite easy to use.

About the only “trick” you really need is to understand that you need to get right online at 6:59 for those few super popular rides, or plan to “rope drop” them. You can have a perfectly great time even without that. But just like you wouldn’t expect to waltz into the hottest restaurant on your vacation with no reservation, you do have to plan if you want to ride the most popular rides.

This is a terrible analogy. When I go on vacation there are maybe one or two activities I need reservations for and I can get those reservations (or know I haven't gotten them) weeks in advance, and plan around that. I'm not spending my vacation trying to get reservations for the things I want to do.

It’s an active vacation with lots to do. If you don’t like fast paced, action packed, multiple experiences offered such that you can’t possibly do them all, then it’s not for you. My family would be bored sitting on a beach all day with little to do.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok I don’t have any feedback for OP but I am now intrigued by the whole DAS controversy. What were the rules and what are they now?

So, Disney has changed their requirements for being issued a DAS. Some people who may have been previously approved for one, may not now be. It seems to be rather unclear exactly who qualifies, and people are getting varied results in applying for it. There are some accomodations that Disney is suggesting for those not approved, such as Return to Queue and rider swap. Genie+ is NOT listed as one by Disney, despite what the ableist poster here keeps braying about.

This same poster also thinks that everyone who had a DAS was clogging up the lightening lanes in the most popular rides, multiple times a day. As someone whose dc has used DAS and know many others who have traveled to Disney who use it, I know that it is more likely to NOT be the case-rather, the DAS makes it possible for them to experience the park at all. I happen to think that the idea that the lightening lanes will now suddenly be sparse, is crazy-most likely Disney is just going to sell more Genie+ to fill them. We shall see I guess.

I'm sure the ableist poster will continue to complain about DAS users, regardless of how the change plays out!

You can say all of this but Disney posted the stats on who was using the lightening lanes. It was 60% DAS. True people with disabilities would not be able to do nonstop rides like this, I agree with you about that.

I just think DAS should have at least had the same rules as Genie+ (just a free version for disabled kids), instead of it being significantly better.

I don't necessarily disagree with your last statement, but did Disney really say that DAS users made up 60% of LL users? I have seen Disney "experts" claiming that, but not straight from Disney. Also, many of the accounts I read had high numbers for particular popular attractions at a particular time, not for all LLs.

So explain the recent news that the rules changed. What possible reason could there be?

Only when you answer my question. Where did Disney say DAS users made up 60% of all LLs?

You're the one who has to prove that there was no abuse. Disney said there was and made changes accordingly. The onus is on you to prove that they are wrong.

DP here. Disney did say there was abuse - both intentional and unintentional. However they never stated a precise number. Many so called “experts” have guessed though.

It remains to be seen if LL will actually get any short or if Disney will just sell more G+.

Right, so the PP keeps repeating a false statement.

It will be interesting to see how things play out.

From reading comments in various forums about how the DAS interviews have been going, the Cast Members are proposing ways to encourage individuals to proactively manage their disabilities and trying to grant DAS only to those who are unable to manage on their own. If Disney would consider more ways to ensure that every guest has a good experience, that would help disabled people most of all. As the complaints in this thread demonstrate, problems like paying for Genie+ and not getting the times you want or not getting popular attractions at all. Other complaints center on long lines, heat, and cost. These factors have an even greater impact on disabled people than the general public. Many (maybe most) DAS users can't be in the parks all day, even with DAS. Disney's operation of the parks makes it harder than ever to manage disabilities without DAS (and I'm sure that contributes to why people have taken advantage). Years ago, the parks had longer operating hours, so there was more time each day to leave, take breaks, and return to the parks. Now, the parks close earlier (AK being the earliest - closes as early as 6:00 p.m. and is never open later than 8:00 p.m.) HS - the park with the fewest attractions and Genie+ attractions like Slinky Dog that sell out early in the day, frequently closes at 9:00 p.m., as does Epcot. Extended hours are offered only for deluxe resort guests. Because Genie+ return times are unknown in advance, sell out, or allegedly may have additional slots released during the day, you can't plan your day in advance, which makes things harder for people to be proactive in managing their disabilities.

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Anonymous wrote:Ok I don’t have any feedback for OP but I am now intrigued by the whole DAS controversy. What were the rules and what are they now?

So, Disney has changed their requirements for being issued a DAS. Some people who may have been previously approved for one, may not now be. It seems to be rather unclear exactly who qualifies, and people are getting varied results in applying for it. There are some accomodations that Disney is suggesting for those not approved, such as Return to Queue and rider swap. Genie+ is NOT listed as one by Disney, despite what the ableist poster here keeps braying about.

This same poster also thinks that everyone who had a DAS was clogging up the lightening lanes in the most popular rides, multiple times a day. As someone whose dc has used DAS and know many others who have traveled to Disney who use it, I know that it is more likely to NOT be the case-rather, the DAS makes it possible for them to experience the park at all. I happen to think that the idea that the lightening lanes will now suddenly be sparse, is crazy-most likely Disney is just going to sell more Genie+ to fill them. We shall see I guess.

I'm sure the ableist poster will continue to complain about DAS users, regardless of how the change plays out!

You can say all of this but Disney posted the stats on who was using the lightening lanes. It was 60% DAS. True people with disabilities would not be able to do nonstop rides like this, I agree with you about that.

I just think DAS should have at least had the same rules as Genie+ (just a free version for disabled kids), instead of it being significantly better.

I don't necessarily disagree with your last statement, but did Disney really say that DAS users made up 60% of LL users? I have seen Disney "experts" claiming that, but not straight from Disney. Also, many of the accounts I read had high numbers for particular popular attractions at a particular time, not for all LLs.

So explain the recent news that the rules changed. What possible reason could there be?

Only when you answer my question. Where did Disney say DAS users made up 60% of all LLs?

You're the one who has to prove that there was no abuse. Disney said there was and made changes accordingly. The onus is on you to prove that they are wrong.

DP here. Disney did say there was abuse - both intentional and unintentional. However they never stated a precise number. Many so called “experts” have guessed though.

It remains to be seen if LL will actually get any short or if Disney will just sell more G+.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m just not interested in competing against SAHMs who have time to learn all the hacks and systems. I’m busy, so it sounds like way too much work.

I work full time and know most of the good hacks - it’s really not that hard. It’s just like planning a regular vacation. Most of the actual “work” is time on the phone getting LL’s when you’re actually there.

Not 100% sure why you tried to make this a SAHM vs. working mom issue.

I don't understand PPs point about working/not working but there are some serious Disney fanatics (of all types) a newbie is up against and it can be very overwhelming for a first time visitor to get up to speed which sucks the fun out of a vacation.

I do. Disney is a perfect for vacation with a SAHM with a lot of time on her hands. A woman who is type A and doesn’t have an outlet for it. I see HS classmates who are SAHMs taking Disney vacations and it’s perfect for them.

You would be shocked at how many childless adults are Disney addicts then. You clearly don't understand the fan base.

It's perfect for anyone who is type A, loves to plan, and has time on their hands to do all that planning - not matter of they have kids or not.

Sounds like a horrible way to vacation!

DP. I don’t think the amount of planning for Disney is really much different from the amount of planning you’d do for any vacation where there are a lot of different activities and you have to choose between them and maybe know in advance which you prioritize. The real issue is that there is so much to do in a limited time period so you have to plan, if you have preferences. It’s not like there’s some place just like Disney, but requires less planning. And the Genie+ app actually is quite easy to use.

About the only “trick” you really need is to understand that you need to get right online at 6:59 for those few super popular rides, or plan to “rope drop” them. You can have a perfectly great time even without that. But just like you wouldn’t expect to waltz into the hottest restaurant on your vacation with no reservation, you do have to plan if you want to ride the most popular rides.

This is a terrible analogy. When I go on vacation there are maybe one or two activities I need reservations for and I can get those reservations (or know I haven't gotten them) weeks in advance, and plan around that. I'm not spending my vacation trying to get reservations for the things I want to do.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m just not interested in competing against SAHMs who have time to learn all the hacks and systems. I’m busy, so it sounds like way too much work.

I work full time and know most of the good hacks - it’s really not that hard. It’s just like planning a regular vacation. Most of the actual “work” is time on the phone getting LL’s when you’re actually there.

Not 100% sure why you tried to make this a SAHM vs. working mom issue.

I don't understand PPs point about working/not working but there are some serious Disney fanatics (of all types) a newbie is up against and it can be very overwhelming for a first time visitor to get up to speed which sucks the fun out of a vacation.

I do. Disney is a perfect for vacation with a SAHM with a lot of time on her hands. A woman who is type A and doesn’t have an outlet for it. I see HS classmates who are SAHMs taking Disney vacations and it’s perfect for them.

You would be shocked at how many childless adults are Disney addicts then. You clearly don't understand the fan base.

It's perfect for anyone who is type A, loves to plan, and has time on their hands to do all that planning - not matter of they have kids or not.

Sounds like a horrible way to vacation!

DP. I don’t think the amount of planning for Disney is really much different from the amount of planning you’d do for any vacation where there are a lot of different activities and you have to choose between them and maybe know in advance which you prioritize. The real issue is that there is so much to do in a limited time period so you have to plan, if you have preferences. It’s not like there’s some place just like Disney, but requires less planning. And the Genie+ app actually is quite easy to use.

About the only “trick” you really need is to understand that you need to get right online at 6:59 for those few super popular rides, or plan to “rope drop” them. You can have a perfectly great time even without that. But just like you wouldn’t expect to waltz into the hottest restaurant on your vacation with no reservation, you do have to plan if you want to ride the most popular rides.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m just not interested in competing against SAHMs who have time to learn all the hacks and systems. I’m busy, so it sounds like way too much work.

I work full time and know most of the good hacks - it’s really not that hard. It’s just like planning a regular vacation. Most of the actual “work” is time on the phone getting LL’s when you’re actually there.

Not 100% sure why you tried to make this a SAHM vs. working mom issue.

I don't understand PPs point about working/not working but there are some serious Disney fanatics (of all types) a newbie is up against and it can be very overwhelming for a first time visitor to get up to speed which sucks the fun out of a vacation.

I do. Disney is a perfect for vacation with a SAHM with a lot of time on her hands. A woman who is type A and doesn’t have an outlet for it. I see HS classmates who are SAHMs taking Disney vacations and it’s perfect for them.

You would be shocked at how many childless adults are Disney addicts then. You clearly don't understand the fan base.

It's perfect for anyone who is type A, loves to plan, and has time on their hands to do all that planning - not matter of they have kids or not.

Sounds like a horrible way to vacation!

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Anonymous wrote:Disney has come out to say that DAS is now only for kids with Autism. Which I totally don't get because there are so many more serious illnesses that could cause issues standing in line.

Regardless, I agree with others that Disney World is a total nightmare if you don't know when to make reservations and so on and so forth.

DAS is *not* about physically waiting in line, because it doesn’t shorten the line any more than Genie+. It’s about getting priorty for reserving rides that non-DAS users cannot get. With Genie+ you take whatever is available when it is available; but with DAS you get to pick any ride you want whenever you want it (within the standby period). And you get to bring your whole family with you, not just one caregiver. The end result was DAS users riding more rides than anyone else.

But it now is about physically waiting in line and whether you can or can't. To qualify you have to explain why you/your child can't wait in a normal line. Because for whatever issue you have they will make other suggestions. Use the return to queue if you have to go to the bathroom, use a wheelchair if you can't stand, and so on.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m just not interested in competing against SAHMs who have time to learn all the hacks and systems. I’m busy, so it sounds like way too much work.

I work full time and know most of the good hacks - it’s really not that hard. It’s just like planning a regular vacation. Most of the actual “work” is time on the phone getting LL’s when you’re actually there.

Not 100% sure why you tried to make this a SAHM vs. working mom issue.

I don't understand PPs point about working/not working but there are some serious Disney fanatics (of all types) a newbie is up against and it can be very overwhelming for a first time visitor to get up to speed which sucks the fun out of a vacation.

I do. Disney is a perfect for vacation with a SAHM with a lot of time on her hands. A woman who is type A and doesn’t have an outlet for it. I see HS classmates who are SAHMs taking Disney vacations and it’s perfect for them.

You would be shocked at how many childless adults are Disney addicts then. You clearly don't understand the fan base.

It's perfect for anyone who is type A, loves to plan, and has time on their hands to do all that planning - not matter of they have kids or not.

Sounds like a horrible way to vacation!

Maybe for you. Which is fine. For us it’s like a fun challenge. We have yet to have a bad or even mediocre Disney vacation.