I understand the people who say she can always transfer, but is that really true? It's been shown that kids at community college are told they can transfer but it rarely ever happens. This is different of course but would it still be possible?
Will she be able to get into the Colgate/Lehigh level college from ES?

I am just starting this journey with my high school junior but I went to Colgate and I never heard of anyone transferring in from another school that was not about the same level of rigor.

I don't know if this ever works but could she start at the best of the schools she got into and try and get money later at another school? Do transfers get money?
It's a gamble but turning down admission to those schools right now with so few kids getting in seems really tough.

My kid could not handle Colgate (I remember how tough it was) so I'm now trying to find less competitive schools that still have a decent name that don't overwhelm a smart kid with terrible ADHD. If he could handle Colgate/Lehigh, I'd be over the moon!

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Anonymous wrote:I’d be really concerned about ESU’s 36% 4-year graduation rate. That’s incredibly low. I’m sure your child would be fine and get across the finish line, but it seems rather depressing to go to college with a group of peers where most are not going to graduate with you.

Some of those peers are older adults who are managing work and school -- that could easily explain why graduation rates are lower. I attended for two years to get a second bachelor's degree; I left when I hired into my current job (which I've had for 22 years now). Some of my classmates were young aspiring students who likely graduated; others were older adults like me, who had outside obligations that may or may not have impacted their own graduation.

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And all of that will affect campus atmosphere and social environment. Having younger students that quit for financial reasons, older students with family obligations, etc. That’s what we’re getting at. It would be a very different college environment compared to Villanova or the other options. OP and the child should understand this as it does impact the dynamics and overall student experience.

Anonymous wrote:I’d be really concerned about ESU’s 36% 4-year graduation rate. That’s incredibly low. I’m sure your child would be fine and get across the finish line, but it seems rather depressing to go to college with a group of peers where most are not going to graduate with you.

Some of those peers are older adults who are managing work and school -- that could easily explain why graduation rates are lower. I attended for two years to get a second bachelor's degree; I left when I hired into my current job (which I've had for 22 years now). Some of my classmates were young aspiring students who likely graduated; others were older adults like me, who had outside obligations that may or may not have impacted their own graduation.

Anonymous wrote:I’d be really concerned about ESU’s 36% 4-year graduation rate. That’s incredibly low. I’m sure your child would be fine and get across the finish line, but it seems rather depressing to go to college with a group of peers where most are not going to graduate with you.

It would be good perspective to meet normal kids not from the DMV. They often drop out due to financial issues normally, not because they’re not smart.

I’d be really concerned about ESU’s 36% 4-year graduation rate. That’s incredibly low. I’m sure your child would be fine and get across the finish line, but it seems rather depressing to go to college with a group of peers where most are not going to graduate with you.

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Anonymous wrote:How many of you urging OP’s DD to go to ESU would send your own kid there, turning down Lehigh?
My concern would be that your DD may not be able transfer, coming from ESU, regardless of her grades.

[crickets]

I would. I went to ESU!

Here is my perspective: let DC go to East Stroudsburg, because it will be free. I went there for physics and I loved it. The classes were small, and the teachers were great.

Another perspective: a friend of mine attended a no-name Christian college in the Midwest because she got a full ride. She did really well there and was able to get into medical school after that. She is now a very successful physician. Undergrad really doesn’t matter! Your DV will be fine.

Op, don't be afraid to have DD, with you, approach the Head of Guidance at the high school. Lay out your situation. They may know a logical "in" somewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, don’t send your highly capable kid to a no name regional school. Stretch and send her to Colgate. Just do it. This is a no brainer.

Maybe a no brainer for you, but that’s your opinion.

Pretty sure OP was asking for our opinions

Do you acknowledge for some folks in the DMV choosing ESU would be a no brainer?

Explain? I can't envision for any folks in the DMV that choosing ESU would be a "no brainer"...none.

Considering the academic quality of the school is not a factor, there are many schools that will offer this kid $0 tuition to attend that still will have better outcomes and provide a better college experience.

Someone may still take ESU...but it's not a a "no brainer" for anyone.

That’s your opinion. Why can’t you acknowledge for others ESU is a no brainer?

Maybe for a really poor kid on a very generous scholarship? Struggling to think of who that could conceivably be on DCUM would consider it a no brainer though.

Other folks could have values different from yours.

What the heck does that mean? It's not a religious school...what do you values have to do with anything.

Do you value prestige? Others might not.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, don’t send your highly capable kid to a no name regional school. Stretch and send her to Colgate. Just do it. This is a no brainer.

Maybe a no brainer for you, but that’s your opinion.

Pretty sure OP was asking for our opinions

Do you acknowledge for some folks in the DMV choosing ESU would be a no brainer?

Explain? I can't envision for any folks in the DMV that choosing ESU would be a "no brainer"...none.

Considering the academic quality of the school is not a factor, there are many schools that will offer this kid $0 tuition to attend that still will have better outcomes and provide a better college experience.

Someone may still take ESU...but it's not a a "no brainer" for anyone.

That’s your opinion. Why can’t you acknowledge for others ESU is a no brainer?

I could if you could lay out a scenario that made any sense. You do realize that a "no brainer" means...you don't even have to think about it because the decision is so obvious to everyone. It doesn't mean someone ultimately chooses it after thinking about it...that's not a "no brainer".

The financial aspect alone could easily make this a no brainer for many people.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, don’t send your highly capable kid to a no name regional school. Stretch and send her to Colgate. Just do it. This is a no brainer.

Maybe a no brainer for you, but that’s your opinion.

Pretty sure OP was asking for our opinions

Do you acknowledge for some folks in the DMV choosing ESU would be a no brainer?

Explain? I can't envision for any folks in the DMV that choosing ESU would be a "no brainer"...none.

Considering the academic quality of the school is not a factor, there are many schools that will offer this kid $0 tuition to attend that still will have better outcomes and provide a better college experience.

Someone may still take ESU...but it's not a a "no brainer" for anyone.

That’s your opinion. Why can’t you acknowledge for others ESU is a no brainer?

Maybe for a really poor kid on a very generous scholarship? Struggling to think of who that could conceivably be on DCUM would consider it a no brainer though.

Other folks could have values different from yours.

What the heck does that mean? It's not a religious school...what do you values have to do with anything.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, don’t send your highly capable kid to a no name regional school. Stretch and send her to Colgate. Just do it. This is a no brainer.

Maybe a no brainer for you, but that’s your opinion.

Pretty sure OP was asking for our opinions

Do you acknowledge for some folks in the DMV choosing ESU would be a no brainer?

Explain? I can't envision for any folks in the DMV that choosing ESU would be a "no brainer"...none.

Considering the academic quality of the school is not a factor, there are many schools that will offer this kid $0 tuition to attend that still will have better outcomes and provide a better college experience.

Someone may still take ESU...but it's not a a "no brainer" for anyone.

That’s your opinion. Why can’t you acknowledge for others ESU is a no brainer?

Maybe for a really poor kid on a very generous scholarship? Struggling to think of who that could conceivably be on DCUM would consider it a no brainer though.

Other folks could have values different from yours.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, don’t send your highly capable kid to a no name regional school. Stretch and send her to Colgate. Just do it. This is a no brainer.

Maybe a no brainer for you, but that’s your opinion.

Pretty sure OP was asking for our opinions

Do you acknowledge for some folks in the DMV choosing ESU would be a no brainer?

Explain? I can't envision for any folks in the DMV that choosing ESU would be a "no brainer"...none.

Considering the academic quality of the school is not a factor, there are many schools that will offer this kid $0 tuition to attend that still will have better outcomes and provide a better college experience.

Someone may still take ESU...but it's not a a "no brainer" for anyone.

That’s your opinion. Why can’t you acknowledge for others ESU is a no brainer?

Loans are a thing.

-DP

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Anonymous wrote:OP, don’t send your highly capable kid to a no name regional school. Stretch and send her to Colgate. Just do it. This is a no brainer.

Maybe a no brainer for you, but that’s your opinion.

Pretty sure OP was asking for our opinions

Do you acknowledge for some folks in the DMV choosing ESU would be a no brainer?

Explain? I can't envision for any folks in the DMV that choosing ESU would be a "no brainer"...none.

Considering the academic quality of the school is not a factor, there are many schools that will offer this kid $0 tuition to attend that still will have better outcomes and provide a better college experience.

Someone may still take ESU...but it's not a a "no brainer" for anyone.

That’s your opinion. Why can’t you acknowledge for others ESU is a no brainer?

I could if you could lay out a scenario that made any sense. You do realize that a "no brainer" means...you don't even have to think about it because the decision is so obvious to everyone. It doesn't mean someone ultimately chooses it after thinking about it...that's not a "no brainer".

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Anonymous wrote:OP, don’t send your highly capable kid to a no name regional school. Stretch and send her to Colgate. Just do it. This is a no brainer.

Maybe a no brainer for you, but that’s your opinion.

Pretty sure OP was asking for our opinions

Do you acknowledge for some folks in the DMV choosing ESU would be a no brainer?

Explain? I can't envision for any folks in the DMV that choosing ESU would be a "no brainer"...none.

Considering the academic quality of the school is not a factor, there are many schools that will offer this kid $0 tuition to attend that still will have better outcomes and provide a better college experience.

Someone may still take ESU...but it's not a a "no brainer" for anyone.

That’s your opinion. Why can’t you acknowledge for others ESU is a no brainer?

Maybe for a really poor kid on a very generous scholarship? Struggling to think of who that could conceivably be on DCUM would consider it a no brainer though.