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Anonymous wrote:But are the kids applying to 20 really getting into 15?

My own kid got into Wisconsin and Michigan Friday and is so thrilled with Michigan she’s not waiting to hear from her Ivy ED deferral or any more T20s. Withdrawing everything this week, declining her safety admits and enjoying the rest of her year.

She’s not waiting for her Ivy? Why not? She can still decline safeties.

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Anonymous wrote:You people really like Michigan. At $80k/yr consider your options.

If an academically comparable Ivy (say, Penn/Cornell/Columbia) costs 90K a year, what would you pay for Michigan?

Not comparable but also look at the resources available per student. It is a large public university but priced like an Ivy without the benefits.

I'd say academically comparable but far from comparable from a resources available perspective. Have a kid at Michigan and an Ivy, so know this first hand.

Could you please elaborate. Very interested. This would be helpful to everyone. What is the resource difference that you see?

Not PP but the issues at large publics are extremely large classes, difficulty enrolling in required courses and courses of interest due to limited space, limited personal interaction with faculty, limited advising, the quality of housing and dining services, etc. The resources per student are much smaller and it can have a real impact such as having to delay graduation because of difficulty enrolling in courses and the challenges of getting to know faculty that write recommendation letters.

Anonymous wrote:But are the kids applying to 20 really getting into 15?

My own kid got into Wisconsin and Michigan Friday and is so thrilled with Michigan she’s not waiting to hear from her Ivy ED deferral or any more T20s. Withdrawing everything this week, declining her safety admits and enjoying the rest of her year.

Anonymous wrote:But are the kids applying to 20 really getting into 15?

My own kid got into Wisconsin and Michigan Friday and is so thrilled with Michigan she’s not waiting to hear from her Ivy ED deferral or any more T20s. Withdrawing everything this week, declining her safety admits and enjoying the rest of her year.

Anonymous wrote:But are the kids applying to 20 really getting into 15?

My own kid got into Wisconsin and Michigan Friday and is so thrilled with Michigan she’s not waiting to hear from her Ivy ED deferral or any more T20s. Withdrawing everything this week, declining her safety admits and enjoying the rest of her year.

Anonymous wrote:Oh actually I understand now. So do you think not many accepted from deferred but waitlisted? And who in the world can wait for waitlist? Don't you have to commit 5-1?

Anonymous wrote:Oh actually I understand now. So do you think not many accepted from deferred but waitlisted? And who in the world can wait for waitlist? Don't you have to commit 5-1?

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Anonymous wrote:You people really like Michigan. At $80k/yr consider your options.

If an academically comparable Ivy (say, Penn/Cornell/Columbia) costs 90K a year, what would you pay for Michigan?

Not comparable but also look at the resources available per student. It is a large public university but priced like an Ivy without the benefits.

I'd say academically comparable but far from comparable from a resources available perspective. Have a kid at Michigan and an Ivy, so know this first hand.

Could you please elaborate. Very interested. This would be helpful to everyone. What is the resource difference that you see?

Not PP but the issues at large publics are extremely large classes, difficulty enrolling in required courses and courses of interest due to limited space, limited personal interaction with faculty, limited advising, the quality of housing and dining services, etc. The resources per student are much smaller and it can have a real impact such as having to delay graduation because of difficulty enrolling in courses and the challenges of getting to know faculty that write recommendation letters.

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My view - these schools have over-rotated on 1G/LI/URM in the early round with these kids sitting in many EA/ED offers and most waiting for RD (financial aid)

Do you honestly think this is the issue and not kids applying to 20+ schools?

My view - these schools have over-rotated on 1G/LI/URM in the early round with these kids sitting in many EA/ED offers and most waiting for RD (financial aid)

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I have either had kids or close friends with kids graduating HS over the last six or so years and this year seems like a departure from the last three years as HS '21 was a departure from HS '20 and preceding years. Am hearing about "last year Cornell took 5 and the year before 4 but this year 1" or the MI example above with a lot more frequency. It always seems tough when it is your kid's year, but from my POV, looking at it over this span, this feels like another inflection point.

Exactly what we're seeing in our circle - our school is a small private prep and out of 60ish kids and for many years we've sent at least one to every Ivy, and usually 1-3 to each of the Ivy +'s (Duke, Vandy, Stanford, MIT, UChicago, NU) and 3-5 to Michigan. Consistently for years... so far this year we only have one Ivy ED and one Ivy+. The rest just flat out rejections and everyone waiting on RD. It's definitely different at our school than prior cycles.

So what is going to happen to these kids?

Waitlists are going to be crazy this year.

My view - these schools have over-rotated on 1G/LI/URM in the early round with these kids sitting in many EA/ED offers and most waiting for RD (financial aid) so that it’s entirely possible to see some kids getting acceptances to all T15 or T20 schools. (Seeing it at our private). But they can only go to one school.

So they’ll visit the top choices in April, compare $$ offers, and accept. Meanwhile declining 14-19 spots, opening the door for WL movement.

Without effective algorithms and yield management, this could be a flurry of WL activity.

The other kids fight for a spot but realistically prob go OPS flagship or a T50 if they applied widely.