Anonymous
Post 01/23/2024 14:21     Subject: What do you think of adults who never learned to drive?
Anonymous wrote:My mom grew up in NYC with six sisters. They all moved out to the suburbs and she and 3 other sisters learned to drive in their 20s.

The three sisters who didn't learn how to drive also did not take much agency over their lives - they were homemakers or secretaries and their husbands picked them up and dropped them off, they did not have a lot of outside hobbies or activities.

Those 3 sisters (out of 7 girls) are the only ones to suffer from dementia in their 70s. One passed away, and the remaining 2 are quite advanced. The other sisters are all pretty healthy cognitively in their 80s.

I'm not trying to say not driving = cognitive decline, but certainly, I see a correlation in my own family between low personal agency and declining cognitive health.

Blame "low personal agency" and driving was just part of it. If one of those sisters had learned to drive, they'd still be behind because of LPA. No need to give too much importance to driving. Keeping a job or getting a job into later years would have helped more than driving.
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Post 01/23/2024 14:20     Subject: Re:What do you think of adults who never learned to drive?
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Anonymous wrote:I think that they must have a reason and that their life is already difficult enough without my judgment on top of it.


How much do you go out of your way to help these people with difficult lives? Like would you drive them everywhere, all the time?


How many of "those people" do you help out? Ever?

I doubt you do because if you did you wouldn't be on here bi&&&ng about it. IF not, it's none of your business how they get around.


I frequently drive my mooching friends around.

Notice you didn't answer the question.


I'm not the one judging them or belittling them, moron. I am an immigrant who has a parent that never learned how to drive so I extend this kid of help all the time. now you? How often do you drive people who can't drive?


to state again: "I frequently drive my mooching friends around."

But you seem to be coating the initial question with a lot of assumptions about what I'm asking. Why so escalated about asking about your limits?


So stop "helping" your mooching friends if you're going to be an ass about it. Simple.

If you can't help with an open heart, don't help at all.


This is probably the only way she is able to keep friends. She is so insufferable that if they didn’t need her for driving they’d most likely have nothing to do with her.


Methinks you might be a mooching friend.


No one can mooch off of you unless you let them so I guess you're the dumb one.


You aren’t really speaking very highly of people who can’t figure out how to drive.


I can see why your friends would only use you for rides.


You are correct that they are shallow and immature and are not good friends. I am dumb for thinking they are good people.


Glad we agree.


This is obviously touching a nerve for you and I wonder why. Are you also on the kissing thread complaining that no one should car what other people do?


It's touching about as much nerve for me as it is for you. Again, if giving rides to others bothers you so much, just don't do it. Problem solved.


I am purely enjoying aggravating you, at this point.


Bahahaha....yet here you are in histrionics when someone can't/won't do something arbitrary YOU think they should do. How dare they be different!!!!!


This started as someone asking what the limits are related to a person choosing not to learn to drive and it drove you insane.

Also, there appears to be more than one person driving you insane here.

Why is it driving you insane?
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2024 14:16     Subject: What do you think of adults who never learned to drive?
I think they have bad anxiety. I think it must be hard. I think that despite my own problems, I'd hate to have that one. Being able to get in my car to go wherever I need to with no need for advance planning or involvement of someone else is something I cherish
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Post 01/23/2024 14:15     Subject: Re:What do you think of adults who never learned to drive?
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Anonymous wrote:I think that they must have a reason and that their life is already difficult enough without my judgment on top of it.


How much do you go out of your way to help these people with difficult lives? Like would you drive them everywhere, all the time?


How many of "those people" do you help out? Ever?

I doubt you do because if you did you wouldn't be on here bi&&&ng about it. IF not, it's none of your business how they get around.


I frequently drive my mooching friends around.

Notice you didn't answer the question.


I'm not the one judging them or belittling them, moron. I am an immigrant who has a parent that never learned how to drive so I extend this kid of help all the time. now you? How often do you drive people who can't drive?


to state again: "I frequently drive my mooching friends around."

But you seem to be coating the initial question with a lot of assumptions about what I'm asking. Why so escalated about asking about your limits?


So stop "helping" your mooching friends if you're going to be an ass about it. Simple.

If you can't help with an open heart, don't help at all.


This is probably the only way she is able to keep friends. She is so insufferable that if they didn’t need her for driving they’d most likely have nothing to do with her.


Methinks you might be a mooching friend.


No one can mooch off of you unless you let them so I guess you're the dumb one.


You aren’t really speaking very highly of people who can’t figure out how to drive.


I can see why your friends would only use you for rides.


You are correct that they are shallow and immature and are not good friends. I am dumb for thinking they are good people.


Glad we agree.


This is obviously touching a nerve for you and I wonder why. Are you also on the kissing thread complaining that no one should car what other people do?


It's touching about as much nerve for me as it is for you. Again, if giving rides to others bothers you so much, just don't do it. Problem solved.


I am purely enjoying aggravating you, at this point.


Bahahaha....yet here you are in histrionics when someone can't/won't do something arbitrary YOU think they should do. How dare they be different!!!!!
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2024 14:13     Subject: What do you think of adults who never learned to drive?
My mom grew up in NYC with six sisters. They all moved out to the suburbs and she and 3 other sisters learned to drive in their 20s.

The three sisters who didn't learn how to drive also did not take much agency over their lives - they were homemakers or secretaries and their husbands picked them up and dropped them off, they did not have a lot of outside hobbies or activities.

Those 3 sisters (out of 7 girls) are the only ones to suffer from dementia in their 70s. One passed away, and the remaining 2 are quite advanced. The other sisters are all pretty healthy cognitively in their 80s.

I'm not trying to say not driving = cognitive decline, but certainly, I see a correlation in my own family between low personal agency and declining cognitive health.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2024 14:11     Subject: What do you think of adults who never learned to drive?
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Anonymous wrote:This thread is wild to me. All of you associating the ability to operate a single type of machine with maturity. Do you have a similar level of judgement on people who don’t go to college? Don’t own houses in their own names? Hire other people to do their taxes? Don’t have a passport?


I'd compare it more to cooking or figuring out your bills.

People may say they have anxiety about doing those things, but I do think that if they can't get over that to have basic adult skills, then they are immature.


That’s a terrible comparison. No one dies if your cooking sucks or if you can’t figure out your bills. So the anxiety connected to driving is significantly higher!
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Post 01/23/2024 14:11     Subject: Re:What do you think of adults who never learned to drive?
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Anonymous wrote:I think that they must have a reason and that their life is already difficult enough without my judgment on top of it.


How much do you go out of your way to help these people with difficult lives? Like would you drive them everywhere, all the time?


How many of "those people" do you help out? Ever?

I doubt you do because if you did you wouldn't be on here bi&&&ng about it. IF not, it's none of your business how they get around.


I frequently drive my mooching friends around.

Notice you didn't answer the question.


I'm not the one judging them or belittling them, moron. I am an immigrant who has a parent that never learned how to drive so I extend this kid of help all the time. now you? How often do you drive people who can't drive?


to state again: "I frequently drive my mooching friends around."

But you seem to be coating the initial question with a lot of assumptions about what I'm asking. Why so escalated about asking about your limits?


So stop "helping" your mooching friends if you're going to be an ass about it. Simple.

If you can't help with an open heart, don't help at all.


This is probably the only way she is able to keep friends. She is so insufferable that if they didn’t need her for driving they’d most likely have nothing to do with her.


Methinks you might be a mooching friend.


No one can mooch off of you unless you let them so I guess you're the dumb one.


You aren’t really speaking very highly of people who can’t figure out how to drive.


I can see why your friends would only use you for rides.


You are correct that they are shallow and immature and are not good friends. I am dumb for thinking they are good people.


Glad we agree.


This is obviously touching a nerve for you and I wonder why. Are you also on the kissing thread complaining that no one should car what other people do?


It's touching about as much nerve for me as it is for you. Again, if giving rides to others bothers you so much, just don't do it. Problem solved.


I am purely enjoying aggravating you, at this point.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2024 14:10     Subject: Re:What do you think of adults who never learned to drive?
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Anonymous wrote:I think that they must have a reason and that their life is already difficult enough without my judgment on top of it.


How much do you go out of your way to help these people with difficult lives? Like would you drive them everywhere, all the time?


How many of "those people" do you help out? Ever?

I doubt you do because if you did you wouldn't be on here bi&&&ng about it. IF not, it's none of your business how they get around.


I frequently drive my mooching friends around.

Notice you didn't answer the question.


I'm not the one judging them or belittling them, moron. I am an immigrant who has a parent that never learned how to drive so I extend this kid of help all the time. now you? How often do you drive people who can't drive?


to state again: "I frequently drive my mooching friends around."

But you seem to be coating the initial question with a lot of assumptions about what I'm asking. Why so escalated about asking about your limits?


So stop "helping" your mooching friends if you're going to be an ass about it. Simple.

If you can't help with an open heart, don't help at all.


This is probably the only way she is able to keep friends. She is so insufferable that if they didn’t need her for driving they’d most likely have nothing to do with her.


Methinks you might be a mooching friend.


No one can mooch off of you unless you let them so I guess you're the dumb one.


You aren’t really speaking very highly of people who can’t figure out how to drive.


I can see why your friends would only use you for rides.


You are correct that they are shallow and immature and are not good friends. I am dumb for thinking they are good people.


Glad we agree.


This is obviously touching a nerve for you and I wonder why. Are you also on the kissing thread complaining that no one should car what other people do?


It's touching about as much nerve for me as it is for you. Again, if giving rides to others bothers you so much, just don't do it. Problem solved.
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Post 01/23/2024 14:09     Subject: Re:What do you think of adults who never learned to drive?
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Anonymous wrote:I think that they must have a reason and that their life is already difficult enough without my judgment on top of it.


How much do you go out of your way to help these people with difficult lives? Like would you drive them everywhere, all the time?


How many of "those people" do you help out? Ever?

I doubt you do because if you did you wouldn't be on here bi&&&ng about it. IF not, it's none of your business how they get around.


I frequently drive my mooching friends around.

Notice you didn't answer the question.


I'm not the one judging them or belittling them, moron. I am an immigrant who has a parent that never learned how to drive so I extend this kid of help all the time. now you? How often do you drive people who can't drive?


to state again: "I frequently drive my mooching friends around."

But you seem to be coating the initial question with a lot of assumptions about what I'm asking. Why so escalated about asking about your limits?


So stop "helping" your mooching friends if you're going to be an ass about it. Simple.

If you can't help with an open heart, don't help at all.


This is probably the only way she is able to keep friends. She is so insufferable that if they didn’t need her for driving they’d most likely have nothing to do with her.


Methinks you might be a mooching friend.


No one can mooch off of you unless you let them so I guess you're the dumb one.


You aren’t really speaking very highly of people who can’t figure out how to drive.


I can see why your friends would only use you for rides.


You are correct that they are shallow and immature and are not good friends. I am dumb for thinking they are good people.


Glad we agree.


This is obviously touching a nerve for you and I wonder why. Are you also on the kissing thread complaining that no one should car what other people do?


But I don't care what other people do. You are the one so bothered by something that has no impact on your life (unless you let it, of course).
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2024 14:07     Subject: Re:What do you think of adults who never learned to drive?
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Anonymous wrote:I think that they must have a reason and that their life is already difficult enough without my judgment on top of it.


How much do you go out of your way to help these people with difficult lives? Like would you drive them everywhere, all the time?


How many of "those people" do you help out? Ever?

I doubt you do because if you did you wouldn't be on here bi&&&ng about it. IF not, it's none of your business how they get around.


I frequently drive my mooching friends around.

Notice you didn't answer the question.


I'm not the one judging them or belittling them, moron. I am an immigrant who has a parent that never learned how to drive so I extend this kid of help all the time. now you? How often do you drive people who can't drive?


to state again: "I frequently drive my mooching friends around."

But you seem to be coating the initial question with a lot of assumptions about what I'm asking. Why so escalated about asking about your limits?


So stop "helping" your mooching friends if you're going to be an ass about it. Simple.

If you can't help with an open heart, don't help at all.


This is probably the only way she is able to keep friends. She is so insufferable that if they didn’t need her for driving they’d most likely have nothing to do with her.


Methinks you might be a mooching friend.


No one can mooch off of you unless you let them so I guess you're the dumb one.


You aren’t really speaking very highly of people who can’t figure out how to drive.


I can see why your friends would only use you for rides.


You are correct that they are shallow and immature and are not good friends. I am dumb for thinking they are good people.


Glad we agree.


This is obviously touching a nerve for you and I wonder why. Are you also on the kissing thread complaining that no one should car what other people do?
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2024 14:05     Subject: Re:What do you think of adults who never learned to drive?
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Anonymous wrote:I think that they must have a reason and that their life is already difficult enough without my judgment on top of it.


How much do you go out of your way to help these people with difficult lives? Like would you drive them everywhere, all the time?


How many of "those people" do you help out? Ever?

I doubt you do because if you did you wouldn't be on here bi&&&ng about it. IF not, it's none of your business how they get around.


I frequently drive my mooching friends around.

Notice you didn't answer the question.


I'm not the one judging them or belittling them, moron. I am an immigrant who has a parent that never learned how to drive so I extend this kid of help all the time. now you? How often do you drive people who can't drive?


to state again: "I frequently drive my mooching friends around."

But you seem to be coating the initial question with a lot of assumptions about what I'm asking. Why so escalated about asking about your limits?


So stop "helping" your mooching friends if you're going to be an ass about it. Simple.

If you can't help with an open heart, don't help at all.


This is probably the only way she is able to keep friends. She is so insufferable that if they didn’t need her for driving they’d most likely have nothing to do with her.


Methinks you might be a mooching friend.


No one can mooch off of you unless you let them so I guess you're the dumb one.


You aren’t really speaking very highly of people who can’t figure out how to drive.


I can see why your friends would only use you for rides.


You are correct that they are shallow and immature and are not good friends. I am dumb for thinking they are good people.


Glad we agree.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2024 14:03     Subject: What do you think of adults who never learned to drive?
You don't want me on the road driving with you.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2024 14:03     Subject: Re:What do you think of adults who never learned to drive?
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Anonymous wrote:I think that they must have a reason and that their life is already difficult enough without my judgment on top of it.


How much do you go out of your way to help these people with difficult lives? Like would you drive them everywhere, all the time?


How many of "those people" do you help out? Ever?

I doubt you do because if you did you wouldn't be on here bi&&&ng about it. IF not, it's none of your business how they get around.


I frequently drive my mooching friends around.

Notice you didn't answer the question.


I'm not the one judging them or belittling them, moron. I am an immigrant who has a parent that never learned how to drive so I extend this kid of help all the time. now you? How often do you drive people who can't drive?


to state again: "I frequently drive my mooching friends around."

But you seem to be coating the initial question with a lot of assumptions about what I'm asking. Why so escalated about asking about your limits?


So stop "helping" your mooching friends if you're going to be an ass about it. Simple.

If you can't help with an open heart, don't help at all.


This is probably the only way she is able to keep friends. She is so insufferable that if they didn’t need her for driving they’d most likely have nothing to do with her.


Methinks you might be a mooching friend.


No one can mooch off of you unless you let them so I guess you're the dumb one.


You aren’t really speaking very highly of people who can’t figure out how to drive.


I can see why your friends would only use you for rides.


You are correct that they are shallow and immature and are not good friends. I am dumb for thinking they are good people.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2024 14:01     Subject: Re:What do you think of adults who never learned to drive?
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Anonymous wrote:I think that they must have a reason and that their life is already difficult enough without my judgment on top of it.


How much do you go out of your way to help these people with difficult lives? Like would you drive them everywhere, all the time?


How many of "those people" do you help out? Ever?

I doubt you do because if you did you wouldn't be on here bi&&&ng about it. IF not, it's none of your business how they get around.


I frequently drive my mooching friends around.

Notice you didn't answer the question.


I'm not the one judging them or belittling them, moron. I am an immigrant who has a parent that never learned how to drive so I extend this kid of help all the time. now you? How often do you drive people who can't drive?


to state again: "I frequently drive my mooching friends around."

But you seem to be coating the initial question with a lot of assumptions about what I'm asking. Why so escalated about asking about your limits?


So stop "helping" your mooching friends if you're going to be an ass about it. Simple.

If you can't help with an open heart, don't help at all.


This is probably the only way she is able to keep friends. She is so insufferable that if they didn’t need her for driving they’d most likely have nothing to do with her.


Methinks you might be a mooching friend.


No one can mooch off of you unless you let them so I guess you're the dumb one.


You aren’t really speaking very highly of people who can’t figure out how to drive.


I can see why your friends would only use you for rides.
Anonymous
Post 01/23/2024 14:00     Subject: Re:What do you think of adults who never learned to drive?
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Anonymous wrote:I think that they must have a reason and that their life is already difficult enough without my judgment on top of it.


How much do you go out of your way to help these people with difficult lives? Like would you drive them everywhere, all the time?


How many of "those people" do you help out? Ever?

I doubt you do because if you did you wouldn't be on here bi&&&ng about it. IF not, it's none of your business how they get around.


I frequently drive my mooching friends around.

Notice you didn't answer the question.


I'm not the one judging them or belittling them, moron. I am an immigrant who has a parent that never learned how to drive so I extend this kid of help all the time. now you? How often do you drive people who can't drive?


to state again: "I frequently drive my mooching friends around."

But you seem to be coating the initial question with a lot of assumptions about what I'm asking. Why so escalated about asking about your limits?


So stop "helping" your mooching friends if you're going to be an ass about it. Simple.

If you can't help with an open heart, don't help at all.


This is probably the only way she is able to keep friends. She is so insufferable that if they didn’t need her for driving they’d most likely have nothing to do with her.


Methinks you might be a mooching friend.


No one can mooch off of you unless you let them so I guess you're the dumb one.


You aren’t really speaking very highly of people who can’t figure out how to drive.