Anonymous wrote:My son verbal 122
Q 145
NV 132
Comp 141
Is there a good chance to get in AAP?

Definitely good enough when talking about capability and potential.
Teachers' opinion is another story.

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Anonymous wrote:Weird, our schools Teachers refused to discuss AAP with parents, they said they were not allowed to. The closest we had was a Teacher saying that they knew DS would be placed in Advanced Math but that is a school placement so it was ok to discuss. I am amazed that so many people have Teachers willing to say that they think that kids belong in AAP or not.

'not allowed' is sometimes code for mediocre or bad GBRS. I'm friends with other moms with DDs in the same class, and our collectuve teacher conferences have had different vibes for AAP- bound kids v. GenEd- bound v. On-the-fence kids.
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My kid received 3 CO and 1 FO on his GBRSs and was in on the first round.

Teachers are instructed, across the County, to not discuss AAP eligibility with parents. Some schools enforce that, like mine, and some schools ignore that. The Teachers at our schools politely tell people the County policy and parents have learned to mention it once and then never again. It saves the Teachers the headache of having to have the AAP conversation with Parents. It also means that Teachers don’t have to answer why they gave scores that they gave and why your child should have gotten in when they didn’t and all sorts of other fun conversations reported here.

AARTs are told not to give out copies of packets until a certain time, some ignore that policy. The inconsistencies cause issues across the County. Some parents get frustrated with their schools toeing the line. Some parents abuse the AARTs and Teachers who don’t toe the line.

Some parents are far to invested in this program.

Anonymous wrote:Weird, our schools Teachers refused to discuss AAP with parents, they said they were not allowed to. The closest we had was a Teacher saying that they knew DS would be placed in Advanced Math but that is a school placement so it was ok to discuss. I am amazed that so many people have Teachers willing to say that they think that kids belong in AAP or not.

'not allowed' is sometimes code for mediocre or bad GBRS. I'm friends with other moms with DDs in the same class, and our collectuve teacher conferences have had different vibes for AAP- bound kids v. GenEd- bound v. On-the-fence kids.
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Weird, our schools Teachers refused to discuss AAP with parents, they said they were not allowed to. The closest we had was a Teacher saying that they knew DS would be placed in Advanced Math but that is a school placement so it was ok to discuss. I am amazed that so many people have Teachers willing to say that they think that kids belong in AAP or not.

Anonymous wrote:Congrats to your child. Those score are nice. Fingers crossed the teachers support him. It’s not only the test that matter

I asked teacher before about AAP and she told me she worry that my kid will loss his confidence if he get in .!
My kid usually get V.good marks in his school test
Does that mean that she doesn’t see him good enough to get in AAP?

Congrats to your child. Those score are nice. Fingers crossed the teachers support him. It’s not only the test that matter

My son verbal 122
Q 145
NV 132
Comp 141
Is there a good chance to get in AAP?

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Anonymous wrote:My DD's scores: NNAT 136, COGAT Verbal 133, Quantitative 139, Nonverbal 125, Composite (VQN) 139. We did not get any notifications regarding being in-pool. I did parent referral but felt that work samples were not very strong. We are in a pretty competitive pyramid. I am prepared for either outcome but was curious if someone with experience had any feedback on these scores.

Check out page 38 and 39 here: https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BPLQKV69B096/$file/FCPS%20final%20report%2005.05.20.pdf

The mean scores shown there for accepted students are so far below what's regularly reported here as to be totally silly. DCUM is Lake Woebegone, where "all the children are above average."

That is interesting! I also have hard time believing the report. Chatter in the neighborhood makes me think that the requirements for admission are incredibly high, though nobody is volunteering to share their scores. I completely understand, just don't really know how to interpret the scores. One parent told me that "everyone is in 99th percentile here." I suppose it could be true since the percentiles are calculated on the national level. Had a meeting with DD's classroom and AAP teachers and still completely in the dark about how she really is doing. They all gave very neutral and noncommittal answers. I do think my child is smart but I don't really have a point of reference, she is my oldest

In some very high income areas and/or areas with a lot of kids who prep hard, the scores to be “in pool” and have a packet prepared without parents requesting it can be quite high. But - let’s say you are at an established LLIV school. There are 100 2nd graders in your school. So 10 will be in pool. That’s not enough to fill out a class even if they all get into level IV AAP, which they may not, so now we get into the application process and get maybe 15 more kids. Oh but some amount of those kids (exact number based on past experience) will elect to go to the center vs. the local school. So now we pick up even more from the application process or have room for principal placed kids. And the parents of kids who have 120-ish CogAt but get into LIV based on a good application packet aren’t the ones out here bragging.

Also some schools don’t have LLIV and some kids don’t want to switch schools to go to the center (already made friends at school, they can walk to their assigned school vs. have to take a bus, parents don’t want to manage kids at 2 different elementary schools, before or after care issues …) so they just don’t put in a packet or stay with level III at the regular school. I know that’s the case at my kid’s school. They just started LLIV at his school, and the center is at a different school with a worse reputation overall and not even in the same pyramid.

PSA In pool notification go out the same time for all FCPS students. If you haven’t heard anything, your child is not in pool.

Anonymous wrote:When do packets get submitted?

Mid-February

When do packets get submitted?

Anonymous wrote:Are we going to know what my kid’s GBRS score is?

There is no GBRS in 2023. There's the HOPE rating scale (new for use this year), and yes, you can ask to see it afterwards. I don't think they send it home as a matter of course. Most people who ask to see the packet request it after it's been submitted.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD's scores: NNAT 136, COGAT Verbal 133, Quantitative 139, Nonverbal 125, Composite (VQN) 139. We did not get any notifications regarding being in-pool. I did parent referral but felt that work samples were not very strong. We are in a pretty competitive pyramid. I am prepared for either outcome but was curious if someone with experience had any feedback on these scores.

Check out page 38 and 39 here: https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BPLQKV69B096/$file/FCPS%20final%20report%2005.05.20.pdf

The mean scores shown there for accepted students are so far below what's regularly reported here as to be totally silly. DCUM is Lake Woebegone, where "all the children are above average."

That is interesting! I also have hard time believing the report. Chatter in the neighborhood makes me think that the requirements for admission are incredibly high, though nobody is volunteering to share their scores. I completely understand, just don't really know how to interpret the scores. One parent told me that "everyone is in 99th percentile here." I suppose it could be true since the percentiles are calculated on the national level. Had a meeting with DD's classroom and AAP teachers and still completely in the dark about how she really is doing. They all gave very neutral and noncommittal answers. I do think my child is smart but I don't really have a point of reference, she is my oldest

The mean scores in Fairfax County, per that report (which as a DP said, is definitely accurate) are between 100 and 115 - hard to say an exact mean since they break it out by race/ethnicity. So no, everyone is not 99th percentile here. It's just the parents of the average kids and the kids with learning differences who might struggle aren't chatting with you about AAP.

Are we going to know what my kid’s GBRS score is?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My DD's scores: NNAT 136, COGAT Verbal 133, Quantitative 139, Nonverbal 125, Composite (VQN) 139. We did not get any notifications regarding being in-pool. I did parent referral but felt that work samples were not very strong. We are in a pretty competitive pyramid. I am prepared for either outcome but was curious if someone with experience had any feedback on these scores.

Check out page 38 and 39 here: https://go.boarddocs.com/vsba/fairfax/Board.nsf/files/BPLQKV69B096/$file/FCPS%20final%20report%2005.05.20.pdf

The mean scores shown there for accepted students are so far below what's regularly reported here as to be totally silly. DCUM is Lake Woebegone, where "all the children are above average."

That is interesting! I also have hard time believing the report. Chatter in the neighborhood makes me think that the requirements for admission are incredibly high, though nobody is volunteering to share their scores. I completely understand, just don't really know how to interpret the scores. One parent told me that "everyone is in 99th percentile here." I suppose it could be true since the percentiles are calculated on the national level. Had a meeting with DD's classroom and AAP teachers and still completely in the dark about how she really is doing. They all gave very neutral and noncommittal answers. I do think my child is smart but I don't really have a point of reference, she is my oldest

DP. What? Do you think the scores were fudged, and that the authors are lying to you?
The same report showed that the GBRS score is significantly more important than any test scores in predicting AAP eligibility. There are plenty of kids with CogAT composite scores around 120 who get accepted if the school supports their application and gives a very strong GBRS/HOPE. Similarly, 99th percentile kids may get rejected if the school packet and GBRS/HOPE aren't especially strong.