Anonymous
11/28/2023 14:00
Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m sure some anti-vaxxers are just contrarians and conspiracy theorists. But scarier than that, I think social media has essentially brainwashed relatively normal people (about vaccines, but also about plenty of other things). They watch one video, which leads to another, and another, and another, and then they’re starting to think they “know” something about the dangers of vaccines.
My sister, an educated liberal who did get the vaccine, has started sending me videos basically saying some herb is as good at preventing Covid as the vaccine. It’s idiotic, but she feels like she has “learned” from some of the videos—because they have a grain of truth that’s been distorted, for example.
Social media companies are truly messed up and have allowed this kind of nonsense not only to multiply but to brainwash relatively normal well meaning folks. Gen Z in particular has taken the brunt.
Covid vaxxer loyalists have also been brainwashed into a panic. They have 5+ shots and counting, plus covid illness st least once, oftentimes, within weeks of being boostered. They then freak out on family and friends who have had at least one and up to 3 or 4 covid shots AND covid illness at leadt once who say they are not getting further shots. If you are vaccinated up the wazoo against covid, just relax and enjoy your "much milder" covid illness and let others decide for themselves how to proceed.
I don't know anyone who is doing that.
There was an atheist professor who was doing that. But then a Christian got up in front of the class and said, "I have had no vaccines and yet I do not have COVID." The professor was ashamed. And everyone clapped.
I'm not getting the reference? A book?
The reference is probably a little too obscure. In the earlier days of the Internet, you'd occasionally see email chains forwarding some variant of a story where an atheist professor was being an overbearing a**hole about God not existing. A wise Christian student would offer a critique of the professor that left the professor spluttering. The class would applaud. (In another variation, the Christian was a marine who simply cold cocked the professor).
In this case, the "atheist professor" is the "COVID vaxxer loyalists" who are oftentimes "freaking out" on people for only getting four COVID shots. A type of character that conservatives imagine must be common among liberals.
Anonymous
11/28/2023 13:51
Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:April 30, 2021 Salk Institute for Biological Studies
https://www.salk.edu/news-release/the-novel-coronavirus-spike-protein-plays-additional-key-role-in-illness/
I found this interesting and simultaneously perplexing.
Spike protein damages the vascular system, heart, lungs and brain.
All the more reason to try to avoid a severe case of COVID.
Turning your cells into spike protein factories on purpose multiple times is mental midget territory. And then get covid anyway and make your mountain of spike protein into Mt Everest
Agree with your above statement. Was waiting for someone to illuminate the forum and this is the reason I posted. The article is from a highly prestigious institute. Glad someone figured out why I said “I found this interesting and simultaneously perplexing.” I was being facetious.
Why are you relying on science from two and a half years ago? WTAF
Hmmm, weird question… a question that doesn’t discredit the science mine you.
Anonymous
11/28/2023 13:49
Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:If you don't like MRNA technology...well you're out of luck. It's here to stay:
https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/features/mrna-vaccine-trials-to-watch/
Cool. Just don't force me to take it when its brand new and clinical trials aren't finished yet. I hope they work out very well.
Anonymous
11/28/2023 13:47
Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:If you don't like MRNA technology...well you're out of luck. It's here to stay:
https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/features/mrna-vaccine-trials-to-watch/
Fascinating 10/29/2019 convo between the ivory towers of vaccine research (including A Fauci). A little long but Worth the watch…. Covo infers that current vaccine tech is antiquated and that newer tech needs to be brought in… interestingly the COV19 was a nice, if not overtly convenient, catalyst to force change. Video late 2019…. Pandemic late 2019.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?465845-1/universal-flu-vaccine
Anonymous
11/28/2023 13:47
Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I actually experienced one of those crazy conspiracy side effects of the pfizer vaccine.
I honestly think the people taking endless boosters and boosting their 5 yearolds are even crazier than a flat earther.
Haha. Right? I know people who eat every damn day. Like, how many times are you going to shove that food in your mouth? They promised that if we ate, we wouldn't be hungry. And now some people are on their 50,000th meal. Just like Big Agriculture wants. I know a guy who ate food and DIED! And every one of these eaters has the nastiest stuff coming out of their ass, pretty much daily.
Comparing an unnecessary vaccine to eating is a little off the deep end.
Not at all. The comparison highlights that complaints about vaccines not being eternally effective are specious. An effective rebuttal would have to go into detail about what frequency of vaccination is beyond the pale and why. Spluttering about food being an unfair comparison doesn't cut it.
Anonymous
11/28/2023 13:39
Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I’m sure some anti-vaxxers are just contrarians and conspiracy theorists. But scarier than that, I think social media has essentially brainwashed relatively normal people (about vaccines, but also about plenty of other things). They watch one video, which leads to another, and another, and another, and then they’re starting to think they “know” something about the dangers of vaccines.
My sister, an educated liberal who did get the vaccine, has started sending me videos basically saying some herb is as good at preventing Covid as the vaccine. It’s idiotic, but she feels like she has “learned” from some of the videos—because they have a grain of truth that’s been distorted, for example.
Social media companies are truly messed up and have allowed this kind of nonsense not only to multiply but to brainwash relatively normal well meaning folks. Gen Z in particular has taken the brunt.
Covid vaxxer loyalists have also been brainwashed into a panic. They have 5+ shots and counting, plus covid illness st least once, oftentimes, within weeks of being boostered. They then freak out on family and friends who have had at least one and up to 3 or 4 covid shots AND covid illness at leadt once who say they are not getting further shots. If you are vaccinated up the wazoo against covid, just relax and enjoy your "much milder" covid illness and let others decide for themselves how to proceed.
I don't know anyone who is doing that.
There was an atheist professor who was doing that. But then a Christian got up in front of the class and said, "I have had no vaccines and yet I do not have COVID." The professor was ashamed. And everyone clapped.
Nice story.
Totally true. It was in an email chain my uncle forwarded.
It’s mean to make fun of the antivaxxers.
Anonymous
11/28/2023 13:37
Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Or are there genuine Critical Thinkers among them?
Critical thinking was a key component to refusing an untested emergency vaccine, made with new technology.
The technology has been around for years, originally to try to fight cancer. It’s just never been tested on a large group of healthy people before. I don’t think it takes too much critical thinking to put two and two together on why there was such a big push in using this technology at that particular moment, as opposed to tried and true methods of making vaccines. But pointing out the obvious, makes one a conspiracy theorist these days.
No, it is easy to see why there was a big push, but critical thinking suggests that you not be an early adopter. Yes, the "technology" has been "around for years" except it never really worked, hence it's non-use at population scale.
Anonymous
11/28/2023 13:32
Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Life is about probabilities not certainties.
I think I'm a reasonably intelligent person but I'm not arrogant enough to think I know as much as the experts in science and medicine. So I do try to listen to serious, credentialed experts, not Jimmy Dore or RFK Jr. or some fringe doctors on Youtube like Dr. John Campbell.
You mean Dr. John Campbell, the nurse?
Any relation to "Joe" the "Plumber" (neither "Joe" nor "plumber!")
He has a doctorate as a nurse, I believe in nursing education.
But why would you want to clarify you have an education degree (not a medical degree) while offering medical advice online? Surely that isn't relevant, and it should not at all raise a little red flag about his intentions.
Oh FFS. This is why I hope all MDs introduce themselves as physicians; way too many people running around calling themselves doctors these days.
Anonymous
11/28/2023 13:27
Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
I know of a doctor -- in a specialty that is actually quite on point -- who advised her sister not to get the vaccine. FWIW, for other reasons that doctor strikes me as an example of how you don't have to be super smart to be a physician. So. Make of that whatever you will.
Anonymous
11/28/2023 13:10
Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:April 30, 2021 Salk Institute for Biological Studies
https://www.salk.edu/news-release/the-novel-coronavirus-spike-protein-plays-additional-key-role-in-illness/
I found this interesting and simultaneously perplexing.
Spike protein damages the vascular system, heart, lungs and brain.
All the more reason to try to avoid a severe case of COVID.
Turning your cells into spike protein factories on purpose multiple times is mental midget territory. And then get covid anyway and make your mountain of spike protein into Mt Everest
Agree with your above statement. Was waiting for someone to illuminate the forum and this is the reason I posted. The article is from a highly prestigious institute. Glad someone figured out why I said “I found this interesting and simultaneously perplexing.” I was being facetious.
Why are you relying on science from two and a half years ago? WTAF
Anonymous
11/28/2023 12:40
Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:April 30, 2021 Salk Institute for Biological Studies
https://www.salk.edu/news-release/the-novel-coronavirus-spike-protein-plays-additional-key-role-in-illness/
I found this interesting and simultaneously perplexing.
Spike protein damages the vascular system, heart, lungs and brain.
Shame that all these COVID exposure trigger that all over again. You'd think people worked up about them would like forward to keeping any COVID positivity both more mild and shorter.
You know, with vaccination.
Anonymous
11/28/2023 12:37
Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:No surprise:
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/smart-people-first-line-covid-19-vaccines-study-suggests
LOL! “Suggests” a key descriptor.
Anonymous
11/28/2023 12:32
Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:April 30, 2021 Salk Institute for Biological Studies
https://www.salk.edu/news-release/the-novel-coronavirus-spike-protein-plays-additional-key-role-in-illness/
I found this interesting and simultaneously perplexing.
Spike protein damages the vascular system, heart, lungs and brain.
All the more reason to try to avoid a severe case of COVID.
Turning your cells into spike protein factories on purpose multiple times is mental midget territory. And then get covid anyway and make your mountain of spike protein into Mt Everest
Agree with your above statement. Was waiting for someone to illuminate the forum and this is the reason I posted. The article is from a highly prestigious institute. Glad someone figured out why I said “I found this interesting and simultaneously perplexing.” I was being facetious.
Anonymous
11/28/2023 12:32
Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I actually experienced one of those crazy conspiracy side effects of the pfizer vaccine.
I honestly think the people taking endless boosters and boosting their 5 yearolds are even crazier than a flat earther.
Haha. Right? I know people who eat every damn day. Like, how many times are you going to shove that food in your mouth? They promised that if we ate, we wouldn't be hungry. And now some people are on their 50,000th meal. Just like Big Agriculture wants. I know a guy who ate food and DIED! And every one of these eaters has the nastiest stuff coming out of their ass, pretty much daily.
Comparing an unnecessary vaccine to eating is a little off the deep end.
Anonymous
11/28/2023 12:30
Subject: Are antivaxxers all just contrarians and conspiracy theorists?
If you don't like MRNA technology...well you're out of luck. It's here to stay:
https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/features/mrna-vaccine-trials-to-watch/
https://www.clinicaltrialsarena.com/features/mrna-vaccine-trials-to-watch/