Anonymous
11/05/2023 10:13
Subject: Israel situation is going to hand Rs elections for a while
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not going to read 11 pages of posts on this, but find it bizarre that anyone would think this Israel situation is somehow a big win for Republicans.
The protesting in DC right now is not helping Biden or the Democrats.
They are protesting Biden you twit
NP. Right. But the issue is that swing state moderates and independents had already been on the fence about Biden but his pro-Israel stance had been making them lean back towards the Democrats. In other words one of the issues in this upcoming election was that moderates and independents hate Trump, but actively also hate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. So, for swing state moderates, many are deciding whether the election is actually Trump versus Biden or MAGA vs progressive left. Or Trump v progressive left or Biden v. MAGA. In other words, for critical voters in swing states, a strong point in Biden’s favor is his ability to repudiate and restrain the progressive left.
These marches, with their violence and graffiti and antisemitism, show that Biden can’t restrain the progressive left. Plus they show the progressive left aligned with values that repel moderate voters: support for terrorism, attempts to overrun the White House, etc.
The marches will draw important voters to Republicans, make no mistake. For moderates who were horrified by J6, there are now images of masked far leftists trying to get into the White House while carrying the flag of a terrorist-supporting foreign country. For moderates worried about terrorism, there are now images and videos that look like thousands of people protesting in favor of terrorism on American streets.
And yes of course I know that most protestors just want peace blah blah blah. Do you think effective campaign ads show any of that? Do you think the intent matters whatsoever in campaign politics? There are now going to be pictures and videos of masked far leftists trying to scale the White House fence with flags of a foreign country flooding moderate voters from now until the next presidential election. Essentially the far left has handed the Republicans a neat way of removing J6 as a campaign tool for Democrats and that’s a powerful victory for Republicans.
I expect Israel to be completely irrelevant to the voting decisions of the vast majority of voters. It's completely bizarre you think that Bide's "pro-Israel stance" was making swing state voters lean towards him.
Agree. Foreign policy is rarely much of an issue for voters. And we’re not sending U.S. troops.
I expect the 50,000 voters in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona, North Carolina, Georgia who will decide the next election are paying little attention to “events in the Middle East”.
You’re forgetting Michigan which has enough Muslim voters to swing the election. Biden is doing a great job convincing them to stay home
And you're forgetting that PA and AZ have enough Jewish voters to swing the election.
As for Dearborn, I don't understand the complaints. Biden has done more for Palestinians than any president since Bush the First. And as for the Jewish complainers, none of his criticisms of Israel have been remotely controversial.
Biden's done a great job on this so far. The Israelis and Palestinians aren't cooperating but that's par for the course. At least he seems to understand the complex interconnected nature of this cluster.
Anonymous
11/05/2023 10:11
Subject: Israel situation is going to hand Rs elections for a while
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not going to read 11 pages of posts on this, but find it bizarre that anyone would think this Israel situation is somehow a big win for Republicans.
The protesting in DC right now is not helping Biden or the Democrats.
They are protesting Biden you twit
NP. Right. But the issue is that swing state moderates and independents had already been on the fence about Biden but his pro-Israel stance had been making them lean back towards the Democrats. In other words one of the issues in this upcoming election was that moderates and independents hate Trump, but actively also hate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. So, for swing state moderates, many are deciding whether the election is actually Trump versus Biden or MAGA vs progressive left. Or Trump v progressive left or Biden v. MAGA. In other words, for critical voters in swing states, a strong point in Biden’s favor is his ability to repudiate and restrain the progressive left.
These marches, with their violence and graffiti and antisemitism, show that Biden can’t restrain the progressive left. Plus they show the progressive left aligned with values that repel moderate voters: support for terrorism, attempts to overrun the White House, etc.
The marches will draw important voters to Republicans, make no mistake. For moderates who were horrified by J6, there are now images of masked far leftists trying to get into the White House while carrying the flag of a terrorist-supporting foreign country. For moderates worried about terrorism, there are now images and videos that look like thousands of people protesting in favor of terrorism on American streets.
And yes of course I know that most protestors just want peace blah blah blah. Do you think effective campaign ads show any of that? Do you think the intent matters whatsoever in campaign politics? There are now going to be pictures and videos of masked far leftists trying to scale the White House fence with flags of a foreign country flooding moderate voters from now until the next presidential election. Essentially the far left has handed the Republicans a neat way of removing J6 as a campaign tool for Democrats and that’s a powerful victory for Republicans.
I expect Israel to be completely irrelevant to the voting decisions of the vast majority of voters. It's completely bizarre you think that Bide's "pro-Israel stance" was making swing state voters lean towards him.
Agree. Foreign policy is rarely much of an issue for voters. And we’re not sending U.S. troops.
I expect the 50,000 voters in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona, North Carolina, Georgia who will decide the next election are paying little attention to “events in the Middle East”.
You’re forgetting Michigan which has enough Muslim voters to swing the election. Biden is doing a great job convincing them to stay home
I don’t know. But I’m not sure Muslim Ban, etc. vs being unable to resolve Israel/Palestine is going to have Muslim voters going for Trump.
Anonymous
11/05/2023 10:09
Subject: Israel situation is going to hand Rs elections for a while
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not going to read 11 pages of posts on this, but find it bizarre that anyone would think this Israel situation is somehow a big win for Republicans.
The protesting in DC right now is not helping Biden or the Democrats.
They are protesting Biden you twit
NP. Right. But the issue is that swing state moderates and independents had already been on the fence about Biden but his pro-Israel stance had been making them lean back towards the Democrats. In other words one of the issues in this upcoming election was that moderates and independents hate Trump, but actively also hate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. So, for swing state moderates, many are deciding whether the election is actually Trump versus Biden or MAGA vs progressive left. Or Trump v progressive left or Biden v. MAGA. In other words, for critical voters in swing states, a strong point in Biden’s favor is his ability to repudiate and restrain the progressive left.
These marches, with their violence and graffiti and antisemitism, show that Biden can’t restrain the progressive left. Plus they show the progressive left aligned with values that repel moderate voters: support for terrorism, attempts to overrun the White House, etc.
The marches will draw important voters to Republicans, make no mistake. For moderates who were horrified by J6, there are now images of masked far leftists trying to get into the White House while carrying the flag of a terrorist-supporting foreign country. For moderates worried about terrorism, there are now images and videos that look like thousands of people protesting in favor of terrorism on American streets.
And yes of course I know that most protestors just want peace blah blah blah. Do you think effective campaign ads show any of that? Do you think the intent matters whatsoever in campaign politics? There are now going to be pictures and videos of masked far leftists trying to scale the White House fence with flags of a foreign country flooding moderate voters from now until the next presidential election. Essentially the far left has handed the Republicans a neat way of removing J6 as a campaign tool for Democrats and that’s a powerful victory for Republicans.
I expect Israel to be completely irrelevant to the voting decisions of the vast majority of voters. It's completely bizarre you think that Bide's "pro-Israel stance" was making swing state voters lean towards him.
Agree. Foreign policy is rarely much of an issue for voters. And we’re not sending U.S. troops.
I expect the 50,000 voters in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona, North Carolina, Georgia who will decide the next election are paying little attention to “events in the Middle East”.
You’re forgetting Michigan which has enough Muslim voters to swing the election. Biden is doing a great job convincing them to stay home
The Muslim voters are clustered heavily in a few specific districts that vote blue anyhow. I do not understand how people think this is going to swing Michigan at all. They seem a bit ignorant of MI electoral politics.
These elections don't come down to districts, though - the votes are counted state-wide. It doesn't take that many Muslim voters to decide they hate Jews just that much, to swing things in Michigan. I really hope that they will be made up for by moderate voters who would rather eat glass than go back to Trump. I guess we'll see.
Moderates love low inflation, rapidly growing economies, a stable banking system, world peace through strength, energy independence, a full petroleum reserve, a full supply of ammunition, a military that can recruit, higher ACT scores, fewer covid deaths than Biden, fewer vaccine deaths than Biden, higher life expectancies, a more influential reserve currency….
Trump looks golden.
jsteele
11/05/2023 10:08
Subject: Israel situation is going to hand Rs elections for a while
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not going to read 11 pages of posts on this, but find it bizarre that anyone would think this Israel situation is somehow a big win for Republicans.
The protesting in DC right now is not helping Biden or the Democrats.
They are protesting Biden you twit
NP. Right. But the issue is that swing state moderates and independents had already been on the fence about Biden but his pro-Israel stance had been making them lean back towards the Democrats. In other words one of the issues in this upcoming election was that moderates and independents hate Trump, but actively also hate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. So, for swing state moderates, many are deciding whether the election is actually Trump versus Biden or MAGA vs progressive left. Or Trump v progressive left or Biden v. MAGA. In other words, for critical voters in swing states, a strong point in Biden’s favor is his ability to repudiate and restrain the progressive left.
These marches, with their violence and graffiti and antisemitism, show that Biden can’t restrain the progressive left. Plus they show the progressive left aligned with values that repel moderate voters: support for terrorism, attempts to overrun the White House, etc.
The marches will draw important voters to Republicans, make no mistake. For moderates who were horrified by J6, there are now images of masked far leftists trying to get into the White House while carrying the flag of a terrorist-supporting foreign country. For moderates worried about terrorism, there are now images and videos that look like thousands of people protesting in favor of terrorism on American streets.
And yes of course I know that most protestors just want peace blah blah blah. Do you think effective campaign ads show any of that? Do you think the intent matters whatsoever in campaign politics? There are now going to be pictures and videos of masked far leftists trying to scale the White House fence with flags of a foreign country flooding moderate voters from now until the next presidential election. Essentially the far left has handed the Republicans a neat way of removing J6 as a campaign tool for Democrats and that’s a powerful victory for Republicans.
I expect Israel to be completely irrelevant to the voting decisions of the vast majority of voters. It's completely bizarre you think that Bide's "pro-Israel stance" was making swing state voters lean towards him.
Agree. Foreign policy is rarely much of an issue for voters. And we’re not sending U.S. troops.
I expect the 50,000 voters in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona, North Carolina, Georgia who will decide the next election are paying little attention to “events in the Middle East”.
You’re forgetting Michigan which has enough Muslim voters to swing the election. Biden is doing a great job convincing them to stay home
The Muslim voters are clustered heavily in a few specific districts that vote blue anyhow. I do not understand how people think this is going to swing Michigan at all. They seem a bit ignorant of MI electoral politics.
According a The New York Times/Siena College poll released today, Biden is trailing Trump by 5 points in Michigan. I doubt Biden is as cavalier about the Muslim and Arab vote as you seem to be.
Anonymous
11/05/2023 10:07
Subject: Israel situation is going to hand Rs elections for a while
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I have enough Muslim friends to know none are voting Biden. They feel betrayed by him and a few even worked on his campaigns. I’ve told them it would still be better than trump but they say they just can’t and at least with trump you know what you are getting.
Good luck to them!
+1. We will see what happens when Trump is elected and enacts “Muslim Ban” 2.0. The number of Republicans who are aligned with the interests of most Muslims is minuscule. However, republicans do attract the religious fundamentalists, so stranger things have happened.
Anonymous
11/05/2023 10:07
Subject: Israel situation is going to hand Rs elections for a while
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not going to read 11 pages of posts on this, but find it bizarre that anyone would think this Israel situation is somehow a big win for Republicans.
The protesting in DC right now is not helping Biden or the Democrats.
They are protesting Biden you twit
NP. Right. But the issue is that swing state moderates and independents had already been on the fence about Biden but his pro-Israel stance had been making them lean back towards the Democrats. In other words one of the issues in this upcoming election was that moderates and independents hate Trump, but actively also hate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. So, for swing state moderates, many are deciding whether the election is actually Trump versus Biden or MAGA vs progressive left. Or Trump v progressive left or Biden v. MAGA. In other words, for critical voters in swing states, a strong point in Biden’s favor is his ability to repudiate and restrain the progressive left.
These marches, with their violence and graffiti and antisemitism, show that Biden can’t restrain the progressive left. Plus they show the progressive left aligned with values that repel moderate voters: support for terrorism, attempts to overrun the White House, etc.
The marches will draw important voters to Republicans, make no mistake. For moderates who were horrified by J6, there are now images of masked far leftists trying to get into the White House while carrying the flag of a terrorist-supporting foreign country. For moderates worried about terrorism, there are now images and videos that look like thousands of people protesting in favor of terrorism on American streets.
And yes of course I know that most protestors just want peace blah blah blah. Do you think effective campaign ads show any of that? Do you think the intent matters whatsoever in campaign politics? There are now going to be pictures and videos of masked far leftists trying to scale the White House fence with flags of a foreign country flooding moderate voters from now until the next presidential election. Essentially the far left has handed the Republicans a neat way of removing J6 as a campaign tool for Democrats and that’s a powerful victory for Republicans.
I expect Israel to be completely irrelevant to the voting decisions of the vast majority of voters. It's completely bizarre you think that Bide's "pro-Israel stance" was making swing state voters lean towards him.
Agree. Foreign policy is rarely much of an issue for voters. And we’re not sending U.S. troops.
I expect the 50,000 voters in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona, North Carolina, Georgia who will decide the next election are paying little attention to “events in the Middle East”.
You’re forgetting Michigan which has enough Muslim voters to swing the election. Biden is doing a great job convincing them to stay home
The Muslim voters are clustered heavily in a few specific districts that vote blue anyhow. I do not understand how people think this is going to swing Michigan at all. They seem a bit ignorant of MI electoral politics.
Do not be flippant here. Those blue districts are going to be a little less blue next year (because some people will sit out the election). It might be sufficient to flip the election.
The election is a full year away. Lots of things can happen between now and then. It’s not all doom and gloom. But if the re-election team isn’t paying attention here, they should be fired.
Anonymous
11/05/2023 10:05
Subject: Israel situation is going to hand Rs elections for a while
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not going to read 11 pages of posts on this, but find it bizarre that anyone would think this Israel situation is somehow a big win for Republicans.
The protesting in DC right now is not helping Biden or the Democrats.
They are protesting Biden you twit
NP. Right. But the issue is that swing state moderates and independents had already been on the fence about Biden but his pro-Israel stance had been making them lean back towards the Democrats. In other words one of the issues in this upcoming election was that moderates and independents hate Trump, but actively also hate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. So, for swing state moderates, many are deciding whether the election is actually Trump versus Biden or MAGA vs progressive left. Or Trump v progressive left or Biden v. MAGA. In other words, for critical voters in swing states, a strong point in Biden’s favor is his ability to repudiate and restrain the progressive left.
These marches, with their violence and graffiti and antisemitism, show that Biden can’t restrain the progressive left. Plus they show the progressive left aligned with values that repel moderate voters: support for terrorism, attempts to overrun the White House, etc.
The marches will draw important voters to Republicans, make no mistake. For moderates who were horrified by J6, there are now images of masked far leftists trying to get into the White House while carrying the flag of a terrorist-supporting foreign country. For moderates worried about terrorism, there are now images and videos that look like thousands of people protesting in favor of terrorism on American streets.
And yes of course I know that most protestors just want peace blah blah blah. Do you think effective campaign ads show any of that? Do you think the intent matters whatsoever in campaign politics? There are now going to be pictures and videos of masked far leftists trying to scale the White House fence with flags of a foreign country flooding moderate voters from now until the next presidential election. Essentially the far left has handed the Republicans a neat way of removing J6 as a campaign tool for Democrats and that’s a powerful victory for Republicans.
I expect Israel to be completely irrelevant to the voting decisions of the vast majority of voters. It's completely bizarre you think that Bide's "pro-Israel stance" was making swing state voters lean towards him.
Agree. Foreign policy is rarely much of an issue for voters. And we’re not sending U.S. troops.
I expect the 50,000 voters in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona, North Carolina, Georgia who will decide the next election are paying little attention to “events in the Middle East”.
You’re forgetting Michigan which has enough Muslim voters to swing the election. Biden is doing a great job convincing them to stay home
The Muslim voters are clustered heavily in a few specific districts that vote blue anyhow. I do not understand how people think this is going to swing Michigan at all. They seem a bit ignorant of MI electoral politics.
These elections don't come down to districts, though - the votes are counted state-wide. It doesn't take that many Muslim voters to decide they hate Jews just that much, to swing things in Michigan. I really hope that they will be made up for by moderate voters who would rather eat glass than go back to Trump. I guess we'll see.
Anonymous
11/05/2023 10:04
Subject: Israel situation is going to hand Rs elections for a while
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not going to read 11 pages of posts on this, but find it bizarre that anyone would think this Israel situation is somehow a big win for Republicans.
The protesting in DC right now is not helping Biden or the Democrats.
They are protesting Biden you twit
NP. Right. But the issue is that swing state moderates and independents had already been on the fence about Biden but his pro-Israel stance had been making them lean back towards the Democrats. In other words one of the issues in this upcoming election was that moderates and independents hate Trump, but actively also hate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. So, for swing state moderates, many are deciding whether the election is actually Trump versus Biden or MAGA vs progressive left. Or Trump v progressive left or Biden v. MAGA. In other words, for critical voters in swing states, a strong point in Biden’s favor is his ability to repudiate and restrain the progressive left.
These marches, with their violence and graffiti and antisemitism, show that Biden can’t restrain the progressive left. Plus they show the progressive left aligned with values that repel moderate voters: support for terrorism, attempts to overrun the White House, etc.
The marches will draw important voters to Republicans, make no mistake. For moderates who were horrified by J6, there are now images of masked far leftists trying to get into the White House while carrying the flag of a terrorist-supporting foreign country. For moderates worried about terrorism, there are now images and videos that look like thousands of people protesting in favor of terrorism on American streets.
And yes of course I know that most protestors just want peace blah blah blah. Do you think effective campaign ads show any of that? Do you think the intent matters whatsoever in campaign politics? There are now going to be pictures and videos of masked far leftists trying to scale the White House fence with flags of a foreign country flooding moderate voters from now until the next presidential election. Essentially the far left has handed the Republicans a neat way of removing J6 as a campaign tool for Democrats and that’s a powerful victory for Republicans.
Jesus Christ - Biden is a moderate who is taking a strong stand FOR Israel, repudiating the extreme leftists who are calling for him to let Hamas slaughter as many Jews as they want because of social justice or something. If anyone looks at that situation and sees this as Democrats being insufficiently pro-Israel, I don't know what to tell you. Those were people who were looking to leave Biden anyway, is what that means.
Yes. Congratulations. You have discovered what a moderate voter in a swing state is.
Of course this is about the swing state people who dislike both Trump and Biden and are looking for a reason to distance themselves from one or the other. That is precisely the group of voters we are discussing.
No. There is no true moderate who is looking at Biden's Israel policies and deciding that this time they're just going to have to give it to Trump. You're absolutely nuts if you think that is happening.
Lots of us moderates are real sick and tired of the far left. And luckily Biden is not part of that end of our party!
Anonymous
11/05/2023 10:02
Subject: Israel situation is going to hand Rs elections for a while
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not going to read 11 pages of posts on this, but find it bizarre that anyone would think this Israel situation is somehow a big win for Republicans.
The protesting in DC right now is not helping Biden or the Democrats.
They are protesting Biden you twit
NP. Right. But the issue is that swing state moderates and independents had already been on the fence about Biden but his pro-Israel stance had been making them lean back towards the Democrats. In other words one of the issues in this upcoming election was that moderates and independents hate Trump, but actively also hate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. So, for swing state moderates, many are deciding whether the election is actually Trump versus Biden or MAGA vs progressive left. Or Trump v progressive left or Biden v. MAGA. In other words, for critical voters in swing states, a strong point in Biden’s favor is his ability to repudiate and restrain the progressive left.
These marches, with their violence and graffiti and antisemitism, show that Biden can’t restrain the progressive left. Plus they show the progressive left aligned with values that repel moderate voters: support for terrorism, attempts to overrun the White House, etc.
The marches will draw important voters to Republicans, make no mistake. For moderates who were horrified by J6, there are now images of masked far leftists trying to get into the White House while carrying the flag of a terrorist-supporting foreign country. For moderates worried about terrorism, there are now images and videos that look like thousands of people protesting in favor of terrorism on American streets.
And yes of course I know that most protestors just want peace blah blah blah. Do you think effective campaign ads show any of that? Do you think the intent matters whatsoever in campaign politics? There are now going to be pictures and videos of masked far leftists trying to scale the White House fence with flags of a foreign country flooding moderate voters from now until the next presidential election. Essentially the far left has handed the Republicans a neat way of removing J6 as a campaign tool for Democrats and that’s a powerful victory for Republicans.
I expect Israel to be completely irrelevant to the voting decisions of the vast majority of voters. It's completely bizarre you think that Bide's "pro-Israel stance" was making swing state voters lean towards him.
Agree. Foreign policy is rarely much of an issue for voters. And we’re not sending U.S. troops.
I expect the 50,000 voters in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona, North Carolina, Georgia who will decide the next election are paying little attention to “events in the Middle East”.
You’re forgetting Michigan which has enough Muslim voters to swing the election. Biden is doing a great job convincing them to stay home
The Muslim voters are clustered heavily in a few specific districts that vote blue anyhow. I do not understand how people think this is going to swing Michigan at all. They seem a bit ignorant of MI electoral politics.
You seem to be ignoring what they are telling any reporter who will listen.
Anonymous
11/05/2023 10:01
Subject: Israel situation is going to hand Rs elections for a while
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not going to read 11 pages of posts on this, but find it bizarre that anyone would think this Israel situation is somehow a big win for Republicans.
The protesting in DC right now is not helping Biden or the Democrats.
They are protesting Biden you twit
NP. Right. But the issue is that swing state moderates and independents had already been on the fence about Biden but his pro-Israel stance had been making them lean back towards the Democrats. In other words one of the issues in this upcoming election was that moderates and independents hate Trump, but actively also hate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. So, for swing state moderates, many are deciding whether the election is actually Trump versus Biden or MAGA vs progressive left. Or Trump v progressive left or Biden v. MAGA. In other words, for critical voters in swing states, a strong point in Biden’s favor is his ability to repudiate and restrain the progressive left.
These marches, with their violence and graffiti and antisemitism, show that Biden can’t restrain the progressive left. Plus they show the progressive left aligned with values that repel moderate voters: support for terrorism, attempts to overrun the White House, etc.
The marches will draw important voters to Republicans, make no mistake. For moderates who were horrified by J6, there are now images of masked far leftists trying to get into the White House while carrying the flag of a terrorist-supporting foreign country. For moderates worried about terrorism, there are now images and videos that look like thousands of people protesting in favor of terrorism on American streets.
And yes of course I know that most protestors just want peace blah blah blah. Do you think effective campaign ads show any of that? Do you think the intent matters whatsoever in campaign politics? There are now going to be pictures and videos of masked far leftists trying to scale the White House fence with flags of a foreign country flooding moderate voters from now until the next presidential election. Essentially the far left has handed the Republicans a neat way of removing J6 as a campaign tool for Democrats and that’s a powerful victory for Republicans.
I expect Israel to be completely irrelevant to the voting decisions of the vast majority of voters. It's completely bizarre you think that Bide's "pro-Israel stance" was making swing state voters lean towards him.
Agree. Foreign policy is rarely much of an issue for voters. And we’re not sending U.S. troops.
I expect the 50,000 voters in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona, North Carolina, Georgia who will decide the next election are paying little attention to “events in the Middle East”.
You’re forgetting Michigan which has enough Muslim voters to swing the election. Biden is doing a great job convincing them to stay home
The Muslim voters are clustered heavily in a few specific districts that vote blue anyhow. I do not understand how people think this is going to swing Michigan at all. They seem a bit ignorant of MI electoral politics.
They vote blue based on foreign policy. The certainly aren’t progressive on social issues
Anonymous
11/05/2023 10:00
Subject: Israel situation is going to hand Rs elections for a while
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not going to read 11 pages of posts on this, but find it bizarre that anyone would think this Israel situation is somehow a big win for Republicans.
The protesting in DC right now is not helping Biden or the Democrats.
They are protesting Biden you twit
NP. Right. But the issue is that swing state moderates and independents had already been on the fence about Biden but his pro-Israel stance had been making them lean back towards the Democrats. In other words one of the issues in this upcoming election was that moderates and independents hate Trump, but actively also hate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. So, for swing state moderates, many are deciding whether the election is actually Trump versus Biden or MAGA vs progressive left. Or Trump v progressive left or Biden v. MAGA. In other words, for critical voters in swing states, a strong point in Biden’s favor is his ability to repudiate and restrain the progressive left.
These marches, with their violence and graffiti and antisemitism, show that Biden can’t restrain the progressive left. Plus they show the progressive left aligned with values that repel moderate voters: support for terrorism, attempts to overrun the White House, etc.
The marches will draw important voters to Republicans, make no mistake. For moderates who were horrified by J6, there are now images of masked far leftists trying to get into the White House while carrying the flag of a terrorist-supporting foreign country. For moderates worried about terrorism, there are now images and videos that look like thousands of people protesting in favor of terrorism on American streets.
And yes of course I know that most protestors just want peace blah blah blah. Do you think effective campaign ads show any of that? Do you think the intent matters whatsoever in campaign politics? There are now going to be pictures and videos of masked far leftists trying to scale the White House fence with flags of a foreign country flooding moderate voters from now until the next presidential election. Essentially the far left has handed the Republicans a neat way of removing J6 as a campaign tool for Democrats and that’s a powerful victory for Republicans.
I expect Israel to be completely irrelevant to the voting decisions of the vast majority of voters. It's completely bizarre you think that Bide's "pro-Israel stance" was making swing state voters lean towards him.
Agree. Foreign policy is rarely much of an issue for voters. And we’re not sending U.S. troops.
I expect the 50,000 voters in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona, North Carolina, Georgia who will decide the next election are paying little attention to “events in the Middle East”.
You’re forgetting Michigan which has enough Muslim voters to swing the election. Biden is doing a great job convincing them to stay home
The Muslim voters are clustered heavily in a few specific districts that vote blue anyhow. I do not understand how people think this is going to swing Michigan at all. They seem a bit ignorant of MI electoral politics.
Anonymous
11/05/2023 09:55
Subject: Israel situation is going to hand Rs elections for a while
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not going to read 11 pages of posts on this, but find it bizarre that anyone would think this Israel situation is somehow a big win for Republicans.
The protesting in DC right now is not helping Biden or the Democrats.
They are protesting Biden you twit
NP. Right. But the issue is that swing state moderates and independents had already been on the fence about Biden but his pro-Israel stance had been making them lean back towards the Democrats. In other words one of the issues in this upcoming election was that moderates and independents hate Trump, but actively also hate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. So, for swing state moderates, many are deciding whether the election is actually Trump versus Biden or MAGA vs progressive left. Or Trump v progressive left or Biden v. MAGA. In other words, for critical voters in swing states, a strong point in Biden’s favor is his ability to repudiate and restrain the progressive left.
These marches, with their violence and graffiti and antisemitism, show that Biden can’t restrain the progressive left. Plus they show the progressive left aligned with values that repel moderate voters: support for terrorism, attempts to overrun the White House, etc.
The marches will draw important voters to Republicans, make no mistake. For moderates who were horrified by J6, there are now images of masked far leftists trying to get into the White House while carrying the flag of a terrorist-supporting foreign country. For moderates worried about terrorism, there are now images and videos that look like thousands of people protesting in favor of terrorism on American streets.
And yes of course I know that most protestors just want peace blah blah blah. Do you think effective campaign ads show any of that? Do you think the intent matters whatsoever in campaign politics? There are now going to be pictures and videos of masked far leftists trying to scale the White House fence with flags of a foreign country flooding moderate voters from now until the next presidential election. Essentially the far left has handed the Republicans a neat way of removing J6 as a campaign tool for Democrats and that’s a powerful victory for Republicans.
I expect Israel to be completely irrelevant to the voting decisions of the vast majority of voters. It's completely bizarre you think that Bide's "pro-Israel stance" was making swing state voters lean towards him.
Agree. Foreign policy is rarely much of an issue for voters. And we’re not sending U.S. troops.
I expect the 50,000 voters in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona, North Carolina, Georgia who will decide the next election are paying little attention to “events in the Middle East”.
You’re forgetting Michigan which has enough Muslim voters to swing the election. Biden is doing a great job convincing them to stay home
Anonymous
11/05/2023 09:55
Subject: Israel situation is going to hand Rs elections for a while
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not going to read 11 pages of posts on this, but find it bizarre that anyone would think this Israel situation is somehow a big win for Republicans.
The protesting in DC right now is not helping Biden or the Democrats.
They are protesting Biden you twit
NP. Right. But the issue is that swing state moderates and independents had already been on the fence about Biden but his pro-Israel stance had been making them lean back towards the Democrats. In other words one of the issues in this upcoming election was that moderates and independents hate Trump, but actively also hate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. So, for swing state moderates, many are deciding whether the election is actually Trump versus Biden or MAGA vs progressive left. Or Trump v progressive left or Biden v. MAGA. In other words, for critical voters in swing states, a strong point in Biden’s favor is his ability to repudiate and restrain the progressive left.
These marches, with their violence and graffiti and antisemitism, show that Biden can’t restrain the progressive left. Plus they show the progressive left aligned with values that repel moderate voters: support for terrorism, attempts to overrun the White House, etc.
The marches will draw important voters to Republicans, make no mistake. For moderates who were horrified by J6, there are now images of masked far leftists trying to get into the White House while carrying the flag of a terrorist-supporting foreign country. For moderates worried about terrorism, there are now images and videos that look like thousands of people protesting in favor of terrorism on American streets.
And yes of course I know that most protestors just want peace blah blah blah. Do you think effective campaign ads show any of that? Do you think the intent matters whatsoever in campaign politics? There are now going to be pictures and videos of masked far leftists trying to scale the White House fence with flags of a foreign country flooding moderate voters from now until the next presidential election. Essentially the far left has handed the Republicans a neat way of removing J6 as a campaign tool for Democrats and that’s a powerful victory for Republicans.
Jesus Christ - Biden is a moderate who is taking a strong stand FOR Israel, repudiating the extreme leftists who are calling for him to let Hamas slaughter as many Jews as they want because of social justice or something. If anyone looks at that situation and sees this as Democrats being insufficiently pro-Israel, I don't know what to tell you. Those were people who were looking to leave Biden anyway, is what that means.
Yes. Congratulations. You have discovered what a moderate voter in a swing state is.
Of course this is about the swing state people who dislike both Trump and Biden and are looking for a reason to distance themselves from one or the other. That is precisely the group of voters we are discussing.
Anonymous
11/05/2023 09:54
Subject: Israel situation is going to hand Rs elections for a while
Anonymous wrote:I have enough Muslim friends to know none are voting Biden. They feel betrayed by him and a few even worked on his campaigns. I’ve told them it would still be better than trump but they say they just can’t and at least with trump you know what you are getting.
Good luck to them!
Anonymous
11/05/2023 09:53
Subject: Israel situation is going to hand Rs elections for a while
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Not going to read 11 pages of posts on this, but find it bizarre that anyone would think this Israel situation is somehow a big win for Republicans.
The protesting in DC right now is not helping Biden or the Democrats.
They are protesting Biden you twit
NP. Right. But the issue is that swing state moderates and independents had already been on the fence about Biden but his pro-Israel stance had been making them lean back towards the Democrats. In other words one of the issues in this upcoming election was that moderates and independents hate Trump, but actively also hate the progressive wing of the Democratic Party. So, for swing state moderates, many are deciding whether the election is actually Trump versus Biden or MAGA vs progressive left. Or Trump v progressive left or Biden v. MAGA. In other words, for critical voters in swing states, a strong point in Biden’s favor is his ability to repudiate and restrain the progressive left.
These marches, with their violence and graffiti and antisemitism, show that Biden can’t restrain the progressive left. Plus they show the progressive left aligned with values that repel moderate voters: support for terrorism, attempts to overrun the White House, etc.
The marches will draw important voters to Republicans, make no mistake. For moderates who were horrified by J6, there are now images of masked far leftists trying to get into the White House while carrying the flag of a terrorist-supporting foreign country. For moderates worried about terrorism, there are now images and videos that look like thousands of people protesting in favor of terrorism on American streets.
And yes of course I know that most protestors just want peace blah blah blah. Do you think effective campaign ads show any of that? Do you think the intent matters whatsoever in campaign politics? There are now going to be pictures and videos of masked far leftists trying to scale the White House fence with flags of a foreign country flooding moderate voters from now until the next presidential election. Essentially the far left has handed the Republicans a neat way of removing J6 as a campaign tool for Democrats and that’s a powerful victory for Republicans.
I expect Israel to be completely irrelevant to the voting decisions of the vast majority of voters. It's completely bizarre you think that Bide's "pro-Israel stance" was making swing state voters lean towards him.
Agree. Foreign policy is rarely much of an issue for voters. And we’re not sending U.S. troops.
I expect the 50,000 voters in Michigan, Pennsylvania, Arizona, North Carolina, Georgia who will decide the next election are paying little attention to “events in the Middle East”.
I think the PP who keeps saying that moderates are going to see leftists angry with Biden and decide that means Biden isn't pro-Israel enough is completely wrong. But there's a pretty large bloc of Arab voters in Michigan and I'm not sure how that is going to affect the election. Will enough moderates and indepedents - at least the ones who care about Israel - care about Biden's strong position here to counterbalance the Arab voters we're going to lose? I don't know - I hope so.