Anonymous wrote:Didn't these criminals SBF and Caroline Ellison, attend MIT and Stanford, respectively? Just saying.

You could write a long list of 'People you don't want your kids to become," and show the top-10-school degrees next to them.

Anonymous wrote:I'm starting to think that if you can't get into a top 100 (or maybe 150?) school, that you should think about alternatives like trade school. Too many people are going to no name schools, racking up serious debt, flunking out and not getting jobs that can pay back the debt. I feel like these people are being taken advantage of when they would have been better served by certificate programs or trade schools.

m=Most people know successful multi millionaires, some who have run multiple corporations, who went to schools outside the top 100. Their GPAs stunk up the room because they were very social people. They did need a college degree to get started. Where it was from and how they did were not relevant. This is not an unusual story.

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Anonymous wrote:Absolute nonsense. I hire many graduates every year. The idea that they are divided into some kind of caste system based on where they went to college is simply ludicrous. Of course we have a vague ranking of the different universities, but your personality, experience, interests, and individual accomplishments count for more. And of course, once you are in the door no one gives a crap where you went to university.

If you worked for a prestigious investment bank, law firm or consulting firm, you’d understand this a little better. Yes, many smaller companies who aren’t going to attract the best anyway won’t focus on top schools. Why bother when those graduates don’t want to work for you anyway? Kids from Princeton aren’t typically working along side kids from no name schools.

McKinsey isn’t recruiting at Penn State or Syracuse. Those schools are fine in many ways but if you want every door open, school prestige matters.

So what you are saying is that IF you aspire to work at a "prestigious investment bank, law firm, or consulting firm" it matters where you go. That is a far cry from an elite school brand mattering for everyone. And, for a law firm, as I understand from friends in the field, it really just matters where you went to law school, not undergrad. So, really it's just if you want to work in IB or elite consulting. Why do you think everyone should want to work in those two fields? It's a big world out there!

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Yes, OP's post is irrelevant for 99.5% of college graduates.

Yeah, medicine is not pedigree-oriented like Big Law or I-banking. And with Big Law, it's the law school you attend that matters, not undergraduate institution.

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Anonymous wrote:Absolute nonsense. I hire many graduates every year. The idea that they are divided into some kind of caste system based on where they went to college is simply ludicrous. Of course we have a vague ranking of the different universities, but your personality, experience, interests, and individual accomplishments count for more. And of course, once you are in the door no one gives a crap where you went to university.

If you worked for a prestigious investment bank, law firm or consulting firm, you’d understand this a little better. Yes, many smaller companies who aren’t going to attract the best anyway won’t focus on top schools. Why bother when those graduates don’t want to work for you anyway? Kids from Princeton aren’t typically working along side kids from no name schools.

McKinsey isn’t recruiting at Penn State or Syracuse. Those schools are fine in many ways but if you want every door open, school prestige matters.

So what you are saying is that IF you aspire to work at a "prestigious investment bank, law firm, or consulting firm" it matters where you go. That is a far cry from an elite school brand mattering for everyone. And, for a law firm, as I understand from friends in the field, it really just matters where you went to law school, not undergrad. So, really it's just if you want to work in IB or elite consulting. Why do you think everyone should want to work in those two fields? It's a big world out there!

Of course. But some poster is trying to claim that the university “doesn’t matter” because she found 3 people on LinkedIn who work for McKinsey and attended podunk U. This is a nonsensical claim and show a fundamental lack of understanding about how the world works and elites maintain their status.

My spouse went to a no name, not even a podunk U and is doing equal to other people, if not better in his profession. Law, Business and Medicine matter. That's it.

I am curious why folks say "medicine" matters. For the best paying specialties? I am surprised at the doctors I have seen in private practice and at Georgetown Hospital graduating from medical schools of which I have never heard. Like really random places.

For those who think the college attended makes a huge difference in a student's life, ask yourself this:

If you took all of the students at HYPSM and educated them instead at Penn State or Maryland or Virginia Tech or the University of Washington or Boston U or Georgia Tech or the University of Texas or some other typical safety school for the top applicants to elite colleges, and took all the students at the less selective college and educated them at HYPSM, do you think the future accomplishments of either group would really be all that different?

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Anonymous wrote:Absolute nonsense. I hire many graduates every year. The idea that they are divided into some kind of caste system based on where they went to college is simply ludicrous. Of course we have a vague ranking of the different universities, but your personality, experience, interests, and individual accomplishments count for more. And of course, once you are in the door no one gives a crap where you went to university.

If you worked for a prestigious investment bank, law firm or consulting firm, you’d understand this a little better. Yes, many smaller companies who aren’t going to attract the best anyway won’t focus on top schools. Why bother when those graduates don’t want to work for you anyway? Kids from Princeton aren’t typically working along side kids from no name schools.

McKinsey isn’t recruiting at Penn State or Syracuse. Those schools are fine in many ways but if you want every door open, school prestige matters.

So what you are saying is that IF you aspire to work at a "prestigious investment bank, law firm, or consulting firm" it matters where you go. That is a far cry from an elite school brand mattering for everyone. And, for a law firm, as I understand from friends in the field, it really just matters where you went to law school, not undergrad. So, really it's just if you want to work in IB or elite consulting. Why do you think everyone should want to work in those two fields? It's a big world out there!

Of course. But some poster is trying to claim that the university “doesn’t matter” because she found 3 people on LinkedIn who work for McKinsey and attended podunk U. This is a nonsensical claim and show a fundamental lack of understanding about how the world works and elites maintain their status.

My spouse went to a no name, not even a podunk U and is doing equal to other people, if not better in his profession. Law, Business and Medicine matter. That's it.

Didn't these criminals SBF and Caroline Ellison, attend MIT and Stanford, respectively? Just saying.

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Anonymous wrote:Absolute nonsense. I hire many graduates every year. The idea that they are divided into some kind of caste system based on where they went to college is simply ludicrous. Of course we have a vague ranking of the different universities, but your personality, experience, interests, and individual accomplishments count for more. And of course, once you are in the door no one gives a crap where you went to university.

If you worked for a prestigious investment bank, law firm or consulting firm, you’d understand this a little better. Yes, many smaller companies who aren’t going to attract the best anyway won’t focus on top schools. Why bother when those graduates don’t want to work for you anyway? Kids from Princeton aren’t typically working along side kids from no name schools.

McKinsey isn’t recruiting at Penn State or Syracuse. Those schools are fine in many ways but if you want every door open, school prestige matters.

So what you are saying is that IF you aspire to work at a "prestigious investment bank, law firm, or consulting firm" it matters where you go. That is a far cry from an elite school brand mattering for everyone. And, for a law firm, as I understand from friends in the field, it really just matters where you went to law school, not undergrad. So, really it's just if you want to work in IB or elite consulting. Why do you think everyone should want to work in those two fields? It's a big world out there!

Of course. But some poster is trying to claim that the university “doesn’t matter” because she found 3 people on LinkedIn who work for McKinsey and attended podunk U. This is a nonsensical claim and show a fundamental lack of understanding about how the world works and elites maintain their status.

I think most people get this. It seems to me that in many prior discussion of whether or not school brand matters, people carve out the IB/consulting exception as particularly elite-brand focused.

One of my friend's families is a good example IMO of choosing the college that matters for a particular kid's goals. Dad is an Ivy grad (undergrad) and a doctor (state U medical school). Mom is a state U grad, helps run his practice. Their oldest wanted to go into IB (based on example from his uncle who does that) so he went to an Ivy (legacy). He's now graduated and does in fact work in IB. 2nd wants computer science and goes to a big state U known for strength in that. 3rd wants to be a doctor. She's going to the local state U that has a good biology program, volunteering with dad at the local hospital. Each is at the right school to support their goals.

My kid who currently attends a top 15 school, says while banking and consulting are popular the really smart kids are joining startups or want to go to top quant shops. The quant shops give you an online assessment (math) and if you do well you go through a series of interviews. He got similar online assessments as some of the kids attending supposedly lower ranked schools (as well as those attending schools supposedly better than his) and what matters is how you fare on these assessments. Similarly for tech, only coding skills matter. Tech firms and quant firms are only focused on what you know. I just like this process so much better.

I'm starting to think that if you can't get into a top 100 (or maybe 150?) school, that you should think about alternatives like trade school. Too many people are going to no name schools, racking up serious debt, flunking out and not getting jobs that can pay back the debt. I feel like these people are being taken advantage of when they would have been better served by certificate programs or trade schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Absolute nonsense. I hire many graduates every year. The idea that they are divided into some kind of caste system based on where they went to college is simply ludicrous. Of course we have a vague ranking of the different universities, but your personality, experience, interests, and individual accomplishments count for more. And of course, once you are in the door no one gives a crap where you went to university.

If you worked for a prestigious investment bank, law firm or consulting firm, you’d understand this a little better. Yes, many smaller companies who aren’t going to attract the best anyway won’t focus on top schools. Why bother when those graduates don’t want to work for you anyway? Kids from Princeton aren’t typically working along side kids from no name schools.

McKinsey isn’t recruiting at Penn State or Syracuse. Those schools are fine in many ways but if you want every door open, school prestige matters.

So what you are saying is that IF you aspire to work at a "prestigious investment bank, law firm, or consulting firm" it matters where you go. That is a far cry from an elite school brand mattering for everyone. And, for a law firm, as I understand from friends in the field, it really just matters where you went to law school, not undergrad. So, really it's just if you want to work in IB or elite consulting. Why do you think everyone should want to work in those two fields? It's a big world out there!

Of course. But some poster is trying to claim that the university “doesn’t matter” because she found 3 people on LinkedIn who work for McKinsey and attended podunk U. This is a nonsensical claim and show a fundamental lack of understanding about how the world works and elites maintain their status.

Total misrepresentation of what I said.

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Anonymous wrote:Absolute nonsense. I hire many graduates every year. The idea that they are divided into some kind of caste system based on where they went to college is simply ludicrous. Of course we have a vague ranking of the different universities, but your personality, experience, interests, and individual accomplishments count for more. And of course, once you are in the door no one gives a crap where you went to university.

If you worked for a prestigious investment bank, law firm or consulting firm, you’d understand this a little better. Yes, many smaller companies who aren’t going to attract the best anyway won’t focus on top schools. Why bother when those graduates don’t want to work for you anyway? Kids from Princeton aren’t typically working along side kids from no name schools.

McKinsey isn’t recruiting at Penn State or Syracuse. Those schools are fine in many ways but if you want every door open, school prestige matters.

So what you are saying is that IF you aspire to work at a "prestigious investment bank, law firm, or consulting firm" it matters where you go. That is a far cry from an elite school brand mattering for everyone. And, for a law firm, as I understand from friends in the field, it really just matters where you went to law school, not undergrad. So, really it's just if you want to work in IB or elite consulting. Why do you think everyone should want to work in those two fields? It's a big world out there!

Of course. But some poster is trying to claim that the university “doesn’t matter” because she found 3 people on LinkedIn who work for McKinsey and attended podunk U. This is a nonsensical claim and show a fundamental lack of understanding about how the world works and elites maintain their status.

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Anonymous wrote:Absolute nonsense. I hire many graduates every year. The idea that they are divided into some kind of caste system based on where they went to college is simply ludicrous. Of course we have a vague ranking of the different universities, but your personality, experience, interests, and individual accomplishments count for more. And of course, once you are in the door no one gives a crap where you went to university.

If you worked for a prestigious investment bank, law firm or consulting firm, you’d understand this a little better. Yes, many smaller companies who aren’t going to attract the best anyway won’t focus on top schools. Why bother when those graduates don’t want to work for you anyway? Kids from Princeton aren’t typically working along side kids from no name schools.

McKinsey isn’t recruiting at Penn State or Syracuse. Those schools are fine in many ways but if you want every door open, school prestige matters.

So what you are saying is that IF you aspire to work at a "prestigious investment bank, law firm, or consulting firm" it matters where you go. That is a far cry from an elite school brand mattering for everyone. And, for a law firm, as I understand from friends in the field, it really just matters where you went to law school, not undergrad. So, really it's just if you want to work in IB or elite consulting. Why do you think everyone should want to work in those two fields? It's a big world out there!

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Anonymous wrote:Yes, of course. I wouldn't dream of saying that the average student at State U is going to have the same outcomes as the average student at Elite U. But students of equal ability are going to have the same outcomes regardless of which they choose. This is what Dale and Krueger shows. The individual is what matters, not the school.

Brock Purdy was the last player drafted in the '22 NFL draft and he is now the starting QB for the '49ers. Purdy played QA at at nobody Iowa State.

WTH does this have to do with anything? Iowa State is still a Big 10 school which matters for football. BTW, Brock is still only making $890k/year for the next 3 years.

Carson Wentz is at least a better example since he played at North Dakota State and I believe was a 1st round pick?