School ranking is not a science, and it can never be. I encourage students and parents to do their own research. I know that takes time and people are looking for shortcuts.

My eldest daughter chose Brown and it was the wrong fit for her personally - she felt isolated and miserable - but many others there seemed happy. She is now at a LAC that is ranked lower than Brown, but is happier and has found her people.

Rankings don't tell you where your fit will be.

Anonymous wrote:US News Rankings matter a lot unfortunately.

We all know UC Merced in the top 60 is ridiculous. As are the other five UCs in the top 50.

It's just silly season.

I'll give you Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, and UVA as good schools for graduate programs. .

But no way they're better than Vanderbilt, Rice, Dartmouth, CMU, Brown, Notre Dame, Chicago, Georgetown, Cornell, Columbia, Williams, Harvey Mudd, Bowdoin, West Point, Pomona, and Annapolis for undergrad.

The salivating for public colleges has destroyed the validity of US News.

USNWR has become an odd mashup of super selective and wealth privates and large publics with high numbers of Pell students and high research.

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Anonymous wrote:Disagree with PP about the impact on Asians, generally in our community they still aim for the same schools regardless of year-to-year shifts. Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Penn, Duke, Columbia, are the ones I see are very popular and highly desirable amongst Asians in our area.

HYPSM, yes. Duke and Wharton, too. Not Columbia. Asians have always seen it Columbia as a fake, a backup school for stidents who couldn't get into actual elite schools. They are even more skeptical now that Columbia has been caught faking all its numbers.

Which Asian group do you belong? I know Korean, Chinese, and Japanese communities treate Columbia just below HYP, above Penn, absolutely above Duke.

There is no one who is picking duke over Columbia unless it's for basketball.

You couldn’t pay me enough for me to send my kids to Columbia these days.

I agree. I would definitely choose Duke over Columbia these days.

And I suspect a majority of 18 years would make the same choice today. Columbia has always seemed like a stressful place that catered to a small group of students that really wanted to live in NY City. But after the past couple of years, I think the pool of students that want to go to Columbia has shrunk dramatically. No 18 year old wants all the noise and stress and the constant feeling of walking on eggshells that comes with the Columbia experience today. Duke seems infinitely more appealing to the vast majority of smart kids.

it’s like the same idiot duke booster posting same as 3 different identities.

go to any elite private (andover, exeter, st. albans etc). ALL send far more to columbia than duke for a reason.

Duke’s yield (even with DI scholarships and random scholarships like carolina scholars) is shit compared to Columbia and will remain so

Let’s see what expert parchment analysis has to say:

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Duke+University&with=Columbia+University+in+the+City+of+New+York

Columbia 67%

Duke 33%


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Parchment is not remotely a reliable source LOL. But sure, let’s use Parchment:

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=University+of+California%2C+Riverside&with=Columbia+University+in+the+City+of+New+York

University of California Riverside: 60%
Columbia: 40%

Apparently UCR is more desirable than Columbia, looks like they have some work to do!!!

Parchment does not think that UCR is more desirable than Columbia. The percentage numbers are black and white. This is how Parchment says it does not have enough data. When Parchment has enough data the numbers are red and green.

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Anonymous wrote:Disagree with PP about the impact on Asians, generally in our community they still aim for the same schools regardless of year-to-year shifts. Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Penn, Duke, Columbia, are the ones I see are very popular and highly desirable amongst Asians in our area.

HYPSM, yes. Duke and Wharton, too. Not Columbia. Asians have always seen it Columbia as a fake, a backup school for stidents who couldn't get into actual elite schools. They are even more skeptical now that Columbia has been caught faking all its numbers.

Which Asian group do you belong? I know Korean, Chinese, and Japanese communities treate Columbia just below HYP, above Penn, absolutely above Duke.

There is no one who is picking duke over Columbia unless it's for basketball.

You couldn’t pay me enough for me to send my kids to Columbia these days.

I agree. I would definitely choose Duke over Columbia these days.

And I suspect a majority of 18 years would make the same choice today. Columbia has always seemed like a stressful place that catered to a small group of students that really wanted to live in NY City. But after the past couple of years, I think the pool of students that want to go to Columbia has shrunk dramatically. No 18 year old wants all the noise and stress and the constant feeling of walking on eggshells that comes with the Columbia experience today. Duke seems infinitely more appealing to the vast majority of smart kids.

it’s like the same idiot duke booster posting same as 3 different identities.

go to any elite private (andover, exeter, st. albans etc). ALL send far more to columbia than duke for a reason.

Duke’s yield (even with DI scholarships and random scholarships like carolina scholars) is shit compared to Columbia and will remain so

Let’s see what expert parchment analysis has to say:

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Duke+University&with=Columbia+University+in+the+City+of+New+York

Columbia 67%

Duke 33%


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Parchment is not remotely a reliable source LOL. But sure, let’s use Parchment:

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=University+of+California%2C+Riverside&with=Columbia+University+in+the+City+of+New+York

University of California Riverside: 60%
Columbia: 40%

Apparently UCR is more desirable than Columbia, looks like they have some work to do!!!

I sent the parchment info tongue in cheek. 😉

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Anonymous wrote:Disagree with PP about the impact on Asians, generally in our community they still aim for the same schools regardless of year-to-year shifts. Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Penn, Duke, Columbia, are the ones I see are very popular and highly desirable amongst Asians in our area.

HYPSM, yes. Duke and Wharton, too. Not Columbia. Asians have always seen it Columbia as a fake, a backup school for stidents who couldn't get into actual elite schools. They are even more skeptical now that Columbia has been caught faking all its numbers.

Which Asian group do you belong? I know Korean, Chinese, and Japanese communities treate Columbia just below HYP, above Penn, absolutely above Duke.

There is no one who is picking duke over Columbia unless it's for basketball.

You couldn’t pay me enough for me to send my kids to Columbia these days.

I agree. I would definitely choose Duke over Columbia these days.

And I suspect a majority of 18 years would make the same choice today. Columbia has always seemed like a stressful place that catered to a small group of students that really wanted to live in NY City. But after the past couple of years, I think the pool of students that want to go to Columbia has shrunk dramatically. No 18 year old wants all the noise and stress and the constant feeling of walking on eggshells that comes with the Columbia experience today. Duke seems infinitely more appealing to the vast majority of smart kids.

it’s like the same idiot duke booster posting same as 3 different identities.

go to any elite private (andover, exeter, st. albans etc). ALL send far more to columbia than duke for a reason.

Duke’s yield (even with DI scholarships and random scholarships like carolina scholars) is shit compared to Columbia and will remain so

Let’s see what expert parchment analysis has to say:

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Duke+University&with=Columbia+University+in+the+City+of+New+York

Columbia 67%

Duke 33%


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Parchment is not remotely a reliable source LOL. But sure, let’s use Parchment:

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=University+of+California%2C+Riverside&with=Columbia+University+in+the+City+of+New+York

University of California Riverside: 60%
Columbia: 40%

Apparently UCR is more desirable than Columbia, looks like they have some work to do!!!

lol.

33% choose ASU over Columbia. Right.

Lots of donut hole families would choose state flagships - likely with significant merit - over Columbia at $400,000. Lots.

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Anonymous wrote:Disagree with PP about the impact on Asians, generally in our community they still aim for the same schools regardless of year-to-year shifts. Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Penn, Duke, Columbia, are the ones I see are very popular and highly desirable amongst Asians in our area.

HYPSM, yes. Duke and Wharton, too. Not Columbia. Asians have always seen it Columbia as a fake, a backup school for stidents who couldn't get into actual elite schools. They are even more skeptical now that Columbia has been caught faking all its numbers.

Which Asian group do you belong? I know Korean, Chinese, and Japanese communities treate Columbia just below HYP, above Penn, absolutely above Duke.

There is no one who is picking duke over Columbia unless it's for basketball.

You couldn’t pay me enough for me to send my kids to Columbia these days.

I agree. I would definitely choose Duke over Columbia these days.

And I suspect a majority of 18 years would make the same choice today. Columbia has always seemed like a stressful place that catered to a small group of students that really wanted to live in NY City. But after the past couple of years, I think the pool of students that want to go to Columbia has shrunk dramatically. No 18 year old wants all the noise and stress and the constant feeling of walking on eggshells that comes with the Columbia experience today. Duke seems infinitely more appealing to the vast majority of smart kids.

it’s like the same idiot duke booster posting same as 3 different identities.

go to any elite private (andover, exeter, st. albans etc). ALL send far more to columbia than duke for a reason.

Duke’s yield (even with DI scholarships and random scholarships like carolina scholars) is shit compared to Columbia and will remain so

Let’s see what expert parchment analysis has to say:

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Duke+University&with=Columbia+University+in+the+City+of+New+York

Columbia 67%

Duke 33%


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Parchment is not remotely a reliable source LOL. But sure, let’s use Parchment:

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=University+of+California%2C+Riverside&with=Columbia+University+in+the+City+of+New+York

University of California Riverside: 60%
Columbia: 40%

Apparently UCR is more desirable than Columbia, looks like they have some work to do!!!

lol.

33% choose ASU over Columbia. Right.

What are people babbling about?

This thread started Sep 30 2023 after last year's ranking by USN&WR.
There was a significant shift last year due to methodology change.
The question stemmed from that, and we have the answer in Sep 2024

We have the result and data.
The simple answer is largely 'NO'.

Some of the schools hit hard were private schools like NYU(pushed out of T30 although they put it back on #30 this year), Tufts, (pushed out of T40), Northeastern(pushed out of T50)

Was there any impact? NOPE. ZERO.

In fact, schools like NYU and Northeastern got record high number of applicants.
Northeastern broke the record again for acceptance rate yield rate with plenty of high stat kids after pushed out of T50 in like last dozen years.

Consumers spending their hard earned $$$ are not stupid.
A magazine can suggest a ranking and it's useful and a good reference for initial screening.
However the actual ranking is the result of what the paying consumers actually chose.
That determines the true ranking.

Also some mentioned Asians, and they are very value conscious savvy consumers.
https://youtu.be/7TvLwUyKNFU?si=7JbYKRVL0x9ofJRJ

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Anonymous wrote:Disagree with PP about the impact on Asians, generally in our community they still aim for the same schools regardless of year-to-year shifts. Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Penn, Duke, Columbia, are the ones I see are very popular and highly desirable amongst Asians in our area.

HYPSM, yes. Duke and Wharton, too. Not Columbia. Asians have always seen it Columbia as a fake, a backup school for stidents who couldn't get into actual elite schools. They are even more skeptical now that Columbia has been caught faking all its numbers.

Which Asian group do you belong? I know Korean, Chinese, and Japanese communities treate Columbia just below HYP, above Penn, absolutely above Duke.

There is no one who is picking duke over Columbia unless it's for basketball.

You couldn’t pay me enough for me to send my kids to Columbia these days.

I agree. I would definitely choose Duke over Columbia these days.

And I suspect a majority of 18 years would make the same choice today. Columbia has always seemed like a stressful place that catered to a small group of students that really wanted to live in NY City. But after the past couple of years, I think the pool of students that want to go to Columbia has shrunk dramatically. No 18 year old wants all the noise and stress and the constant feeling of walking on eggshells that comes with the Columbia experience today. Duke seems infinitely more appealing to the vast majority of smart kids.

it’s like the same idiot duke booster posting same as 3 different identities.

go to any elite private (andover, exeter, st. albans etc). ALL send far more to columbia than duke for a reason.

Duke’s yield (even with DI scholarships and random scholarships like carolina scholars) is shit compared to Columbia and will remain so

Let’s see what expert parchment analysis has to say:

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Duke+University&with=Columbia+University+in+the+City+of+New+York

Columbia 67%

Duke 33%


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Parchment is not remotely a reliable source LOL. But sure, let’s use Parchment:

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=University+of+California%2C+Riverside&with=Columbia+University+in+the+City+of+New+York

University of California Riverside: 60%
Columbia: 40%

Apparently UCR is more desirable than Columbia, looks like they have some work to do!!!

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Anonymous wrote:Disagree with PP about the impact on Asians, generally in our community they still aim for the same schools regardless of year-to-year shifts. Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Penn, Duke, Columbia, are the ones I see are very popular and highly desirable amongst Asians in our area.

HYPSM, yes. Duke and Wharton, too. Not Columbia. Asians have always seen it Columbia as a fake, a backup school for stidents who couldn't get into actual elite schools. They are even more skeptical now that Columbia has been caught faking all its numbers.

Which Asian group do you belong? I know Korean, Chinese, and Japanese communities treate Columbia just below HYP, above Penn, absolutely above Duke.

There is no one who is picking duke over Columbia unless it's for basketball.

You couldn’t pay me enough for me to send my kids to Columbia these days.

I agree. I would definitely choose Duke over Columbia these days.

And I suspect a majority of 18 years would make the same choice today. Columbia has always seemed like a stressful place that catered to a small group of students that really wanted to live in NY City. But after the past couple of years, I think the pool of students that want to go to Columbia has shrunk dramatically. No 18 year old wants all the noise and stress and the constant feeling of walking on eggshells that comes with the Columbia experience today. Duke seems infinitely more appealing to the vast majority of smart kids.

it’s like the same idiot duke booster posting same as 3 different identities.

go to any elite private (andover, exeter, st. albans etc). ALL send far more to columbia than duke for a reason.

Duke’s yield (even with DI scholarships and random scholarships like carolina scholars) is shit compared to Columbia and will remain so

Let’s see what expert parchment analysis has to say:

https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=Duke+University&with=Columbia+University+in+the+City+of+New+York

Columbia 67%

Duke 33%


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Are you pretending the protests didn’t happen? Columbia’s rep is in the toilet.

Anonymous wrote:Of course the rankongs have an impact!

https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w7227/w7227.pdf

This study is literally 25 years old. Pretty much predates the internet.

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Anonymous wrote:US News is very important. I see it in my job searches (top 60 school) and my kids (top 15).

Especially if non-Ivy, Stanford, or Duke, Chicago.

Ivy really gives you a leg up whether that Ivy is 11 or 13. Ivy is Ivy.

People who claim not to care are those (1) who didn't go to one, (2) whose kids can't get in, (3) don't want to pay for private colleges (or can't afford to).

Ivy is Ivy. The world is an arms race.

Most kids going to Ivy schools with get a graduate/professional degree. That additional degree is the one that "matters" in the "arms race" and the Ivy degree will be largely forgotten.

But the Ivy undergraduate degree is what gets you in the door for the top professional degree.

+. Seventy percent of Harvard Law Students attended Harvard, Yale or Stanford undergrad

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Anonymous wrote:Disagree with PP about the impact on Asians, generally in our community they still aim for the same schools regardless of year-to-year shifts. Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Penn, Duke, Columbia, are the ones I see are very popular and highly desirable amongst Asians in our area.

HYPSM, yes. Duke and Wharton, too. Not Columbia. Asians have always seen it Columbia as a fake, a backup school for stidents who couldn't get into actual elite schools. They are even more skeptical now that Columbia has been caught faking all its numbers.

Which Asian group do you belong? I know Korean, Chinese, and Japanese communities treate Columbia just below HYP, above Penn, absolutely above Duke.

There is no one who is picking duke over Columbia unless it's for basketball.

You couldn’t pay me enough for me to send my kids to Columbia these days.

Unfortunately, no one pays you, and you kids will never get into Columbia.

Columbia General Studies' admission rate is north of 30%. If you can fog a mirror, you can go to Columbia.

No one is talking about Columbia General Studies. Obviously, your kids can't get into Columbia College or Columbia Engineer.

If they are as dumb as he is, maybe general studies is the right school

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Anonymous wrote:Disagree with PP about the impact on Asians, generally in our community they still aim for the same schools regardless of year-to-year shifts. Harvard, Princeton, Stanford, Penn, Duke, Columbia, are the ones I see are very popular and highly desirable amongst Asians in our area.

HYPSM, yes. Duke and Wharton, too. Not Columbia. Asians have always seen it Columbia as a fake, a backup school for stidents who couldn't get into actual elite schools. They are even more skeptical now that Columbia has been caught faking all its numbers.

Which Asian group do you belong? I know Korean, Chinese, and Japanese communities treate Columbia just below HYP, above Penn, absolutely above Duke.

There is no one who is picking duke over Columbia unless it's for basketball.

You couldn’t pay me enough for me to send my kids to Columbia these days.

Unfortunately, no one pays you, and you kids will never get into Columbia.

Columbia General Studies' admission rate is north of 30%. If you can fog a mirror, you can go to Columbia.

No one is talking about Columbia General Studies. Obviously, your kids can't get into Columbia College or Columbia Engineer.

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HYPSM, yes. Duke and Wharton, too. Not Columbia. Asians have always seen it Columbia as a fake, a backup school for stidents who couldn't get into actual elite schools. They are even more skeptical now that Columbia has been caught faking all its numbers.

Which Asian group do you belong? I know Korean, Chinese, and Japanese communities treate Columbia just below HYP, above Penn, absolutely above Duke.

There is no one who is picking duke over Columbia unless it's for basketball.

You couldn’t pay me enough for me to send my kids to Columbia these days.

Unfortunately, no one pays you, and you kids will never get into Columbia.

Columbia General Studies' admission rate is north of 30%. If you can fog a mirror, you can go to Columbia.

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Anonymous wrote:US News is very important. I see it in my job searches (top 60 school) and my kids (top 15).

Especially if non-Ivy, Stanford, or Duke, Chicago.

Ivy really gives you a leg up whether that Ivy is 11 or 13. Ivy is Ivy.

People who claim not to care are those (1) who didn't go to one, (2) whose kids can't get in, (3) don't want to pay for private colleges (or can't afford to).

Ivy is Ivy. The world is an arms race.

Most kids going to Ivy schools with get a graduate/professional degree. That additional degree is the one that "matters" in the "arms race" and the Ivy degree will be largely forgotten.

But the Ivy undergraduate degree is what gets you in the door for the top professional degree.

+. Seventy percent of Harvard Law Students attended Harvard, Yale or Stanford undergrad