Anonymous wrote:Frumin has been weak on this issue, but he's capable of movement. At the beginning of his term, he ranked pickleball as a higher priority than public safety, and now he is talking a lot about public safety. He ran in the primary against a bunch of socialists and the GGW crowd, so he got cozy with them to win votes. Hopefully he has learned that lesson. If you share your views, he will listen and if enough people raise concerns, he will respond. I was shocked when he waffled about the crime legislation this summer, and I told him so. Next time, I expect him to be taking the lead.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no faith that a floor is going to be put in the crime situation in NW, never mind it improving.

Frumin is not someone who inspires confidence in the future and Bowser admin reps have attended countless community meetings with things only getting worse. The only one who seemed genuinely concerned about public safety was Chris Geldart and he had issues and is long gone.

It makes me quite sad and my family is going to have to look seriously at relocating, having been in DC for 30 years. We moved west for schools and safety after 20 years EOTP and that worked for a long time and now the calculus has changed again. I wish we had gone to the burbs a long time ago, and become established then, we are not at life stages that are super conducive to moving right now.

Well that’s a little excessive. Unless you live in the Sedgewick or on top of the Tenleytown metro, it’s not going to get that much worse.

Actually, the PSA that includes Saratoga, Brandywine, Connecticut House was found to have the greatest crime increase of anywhere in the city, numbers were crunched from DC Crime Cards. Obviously not highest numbers in city but greatest change. Now a daytime weekend shooting after a lot of MPD focus for years. I live in that PSA and the effects of quality of life and safety in the past few years have been tremendous. There are tennis courts and a playground on the block where a shooting occurred at 3pm on a Saturday. We won't be the only ones likely to move. And for those that leave the Saratoga and Brandywine, the ratio of paying tenants may shrink further. My kids go to school near and often use the Tenleytown metro. I'd be remiss as a parent not to react to real shifts in safety levels. YMMV.

Crime becoming less predictable, more random and more diffuse has stretched a smaller MPD very thin. The commercial tax base has shrunk and population is dropping so there will be less money for safety initiatives, services, etc. It's happened before, maybe newcomers don't know that.

Not really the time to be Pollyanna when it comes to my family's well being when we heard the shots on Saturday. We moved away from that to what used to be a very quiet, safe area, for that and for the schools. Now, it's far less safe. There have been dozens upon dozens of community meetings in the past few years. For those unaware of that history, they may think there is some likely fix if they send a few emails or make a few calls, but no. The idea that Courtney Carlson can impact this in any way is laughable, Mary Cheh was not able to do much, with more power, and living even closer to the problem buildings. In fact, talking about the issues may have led to pushback that caused her to not run again.

Thanks for your support and concern for my family's well being, PP, the heartfelt scorn is noted.

I live in an area with much more crime and am concerned about it. Still, I think you’re being a bit absurd. Moving to the burbs and driving a lot is statistically higher risk for you.

A lot of people are leaving and the tax base is shrinking, the CRE impact is tremendous. The quality of life in DC is really going to change.

There are walkable neighborhoods outside of DC, with metro access, and good schools that do not have daytime shootings on the same block as playgrounds. It's absurd to think that won't impact property values, which has not been mentioned.

Sure I can believe some will choose to locate elsewhere or leave the troubled apartments. But nobody is selling their $2 mil Cleveland Park home due to an uptick in already very low crime levels. The people actually impacted are renters.

Anonymous wrote:Have to say I miss the Fenty years...reasonable mayor, reasonable council, USAO office that still functioned and a stable tax base made for some really good years for family life in the District. The redone playgrounds, the pools, the greater safety, schools on the upswing...

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Anonymous wrote:I have no faith that a floor is going to be put in the crime situation in NW, never mind it improving.

Frumin is not someone who inspires confidence in the future and Bowser admin reps have attended countless community meetings with things only getting worse. The only one who seemed genuinely concerned about public safety was Chris Geldart and he had issues and is long gone.

It makes me quite sad and my family is going to have to look seriously at relocating, having been in DC for 30 years. We moved west for schools and safety after 20 years EOTP and that worked for a long time and now the calculus has changed again. I wish we had gone to the burbs a long time ago, and become established then, we are not at life stages that are super conducive to moving right now.

Well that’s a little excessive. Unless you live in the Sedgewick or on top of the Tenleytown metro, it’s not going to get that much worse.

Actually, the PSA that includes Saratoga, Brandywine, Connecticut House was found to have the greatest crime increase of anywhere in the city, numbers were crunched from DC Crime Cards. Obviously not highest numbers in city but greatest change. Now a daytime weekend shooting after a lot of MPD focus for years. I live in that PSA and the effects of quality of life and safety in the past few years have been tremendous. There are tennis courts and a playground on the block where a shooting occurred at 3pm on a Saturday. We won't be the only ones likely to move. And for those that leave the Saratoga and Brandywine, the ratio of paying tenants may shrink further. My kids go to school near and often use the Tenleytown metro. I'd be remiss as a parent not to react to real shifts in safety levels. YMMV.

Crime becoming less predictable, more random and more diffuse has stretched a smaller MPD very thin. The commercial tax base has shrunk and population is dropping so there will be less money for safety initiatives, services, etc. It's happened before, maybe newcomers don't know that.

Not really the time to be Pollyanna when it comes to my family's well being when we heard the shots on Saturday. We moved away from that to what used to be a very quiet, safe area, for that and for the schools. Now, it's far less safe. There have been dozens upon dozens of community meetings in the past few years. For those unaware of that history, they may think there is some likely fix if they send a few emails or make a few calls, but no. The idea that Courtney Carlson can impact this in any way is laughable, Mary Cheh was not able to do much, with more power, and living even closer to the problem buildings. In fact, talking about the issues may have led to pushback that caused her to not run again.

Thanks for your support and concern for my family's well being, PP, the heartfelt scorn is noted.

I live in an area with much more crime and am concerned about it. Still, I think you’re being a bit absurd. Moving to the burbs and driving a lot is statistically higher risk for you.

People love to post the “driving more” narrative in response to concerns about rising crime. We moved to the suburbs after 25 years due to rising crime in our neighborhood. We drive less out here. My kids can walk to the ES, MS and HS. We can easily walk to three different pools, hiking trails, tennis courts and sports fields. My kids walk or bike to get snacks or pizza with friends. We have a community center and recreation center that haven’t been taken over by pot smokers and the homeless. If we want to go into the city it’s a 20 min drive. Driving is really a minor inconvenience versus dealing with package thefts, carjackings, violent unhoused people, or random gunfire on a regular basis.

Crime in DC will not be properly addressed until the real estate market bottoms out, businesses begin to leave and the tourist industry takes a huge hit. Expect more families to leave. Expect city services to decline due to less tax revenue. You only need to look to the 80s and 90s to see the future.

Most suburbs aren’t that walkable. And the point is not that driving is an inconvenience, but that it is more dangerous than other forms of transit.

And the suburbs that are walkable are not affordable at all.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no faith that a floor is going to be put in the crime situation in NW, never mind it improving.

Frumin is not someone who inspires confidence in the future and Bowser admin reps have attended countless community meetings with things only getting worse. The only one who seemed genuinely concerned about public safety was Chris Geldart and he had issues and is long gone.

It makes me quite sad and my family is going to have to look seriously at relocating, having been in DC for 30 years. We moved west for schools and safety after 20 years EOTP and that worked for a long time and now the calculus has changed again. I wish we had gone to the burbs a long time ago, and become established then, we are not at life stages that are super conducive to moving right now.

Well that’s a little excessive. Unless you live in the Sedgewick or on top of the Tenleytown metro, it’s not going to get that much worse.

Actually, the PSA that includes Saratoga, Brandywine, Connecticut House was found to have the greatest crime increase of anywhere in the city, numbers were crunched from DC Crime Cards. Obviously not highest numbers in city but greatest change. Now a daytime weekend shooting after a lot of MPD focus for years. I live in that PSA and the effects of quality of life and safety in the past few years have been tremendous. There are tennis courts and a playground on the block where a shooting occurred at 3pm on a Saturday. We won't be the only ones likely to move. And for those that leave the Saratoga and Brandywine, the ratio of paying tenants may shrink further. My kids go to school near and often use the Tenleytown metro. I'd be remiss as a parent not to react to real shifts in safety levels. YMMV.

Crime becoming less predictable, more random and more diffuse has stretched a smaller MPD very thin. The commercial tax base has shrunk and population is dropping so there will be less money for safety initiatives, services, etc. It's happened before, maybe newcomers don't know that.

Not really the time to be Pollyanna when it comes to my family's well being when we heard the shots on Saturday. We moved away from that to what used to be a very quiet, safe area, for that and for the schools. Now, it's far less safe. There have been dozens upon dozens of community meetings in the past few years. For those unaware of that history, they may think there is some likely fix if they send a few emails or make a few calls, but no. The idea that Courtney Carlson can impact this in any way is laughable, Mary Cheh was not able to do much, with more power, and living even closer to the problem buildings. In fact, talking about the issues may have led to pushback that caused her to not run again.

Thanks for your support and concern for my family's well being, PP, the heartfelt scorn is noted.

I live in an area with much more crime and am concerned about it. Still, I think you’re being a bit absurd. Moving to the burbs and driving a lot is statistically higher risk for you.

People love to post the “driving more” narrative in response to concerns about rising crime. We moved to the suburbs after 25 years due to rising crime in our neighborhood. We drive less out here. My kids can walk to the ES, MS and HS. We can easily walk to three different pools, hiking trails, tennis courts and sports fields. My kids walk or bike to get snacks or pizza with friends. We have a community center and recreation center that haven’t been taken over by pot smokers and the homeless. If we want to go into the city it’s a 20 min drive. Driving is really a minor inconvenience versus dealing with package thefts, carjackings, violent unhoused people, or random gunfire on a regular basis.

Crime in DC will not be properly addressed until the real estate market bottoms out, businesses begin to leave and the tourist industry takes a huge hit. Expect more families to leave. Expect city services to decline due to less tax revenue. You only need to look to the 80s and 90s to see the future.

Most suburbs aren’t that walkable. And the point is not that driving is an inconvenience, but that it is more dangerous than other forms of transit.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no faith that a floor is going to be put in the crime situation in NW, never mind it improving.

Frumin is not someone who inspires confidence in the future and Bowser admin reps have attended countless community meetings with things only getting worse. The only one who seemed genuinely concerned about public safety was Chris Geldart and he had issues and is long gone.

It makes me quite sad and my family is going to have to look seriously at relocating, having been in DC for 30 years. We moved west for schools and safety after 20 years EOTP and that worked for a long time and now the calculus has changed again. I wish we had gone to the burbs a long time ago, and become established then, we are not at life stages that are super conducive to moving right now.

Well that’s a little excessive. Unless you live in the Sedgewick or on top of the Tenleytown metro, it’s not going to get that much worse.

Actually, the PSA that includes Saratoga, Brandywine, Connecticut House was found to have the greatest crime increase of anywhere in the city, numbers were crunched from DC Crime Cards. Obviously not highest numbers in city but greatest change. Now a daytime weekend shooting after a lot of MPD focus for years. I live in that PSA and the effects of quality of life and safety in the past few years have been tremendous. There are tennis courts and a playground on the block where a shooting occurred at 3pm on a Saturday. We won't be the only ones likely to move. And for those that leave the Saratoga and Brandywine, the ratio of paying tenants may shrink further. My kids go to school near and often use the Tenleytown metro. I'd be remiss as a parent not to react to real shifts in safety levels. YMMV.

Crime becoming less predictable, more random and more diffuse has stretched a smaller MPD very thin. The commercial tax base has shrunk and population is dropping so there will be less money for safety initiatives, services, etc. It's happened before, maybe newcomers don't know that.

Not really the time to be Pollyanna when it comes to my family's well being when we heard the shots on Saturday. We moved away from that to what used to be a very quiet, safe area, for that and for the schools. Now, it's far less safe. There have been dozens upon dozens of community meetings in the past few years. For those unaware of that history, they may think there is some likely fix if they send a few emails or make a few calls, but no. The idea that Courtney Carlson can impact this in any way is laughable, Mary Cheh was not able to do much, with more power, and living even closer to the problem buildings. In fact, talking about the issues may have led to pushback that caused her to not run again.

Thanks for your support and concern for my family's well being, PP, the heartfelt scorn is noted.

I live in an area with much more crime and am concerned about it. Still, I think you’re being a bit absurd. Moving to the burbs and driving a lot is statistically higher risk for you.

People love to post the “driving more” narrative in response to concerns about rising crime. We moved to the suburbs after 25 years due to rising crime in our neighborhood. We drive less out here. My kids can walk to the ES, MS and HS. We can easily walk to three different pools, hiking trails, tennis courts and sports fields. My kids walk or bike to get snacks or pizza with friends. We have a community center and recreation center that haven’t been taken over by pot smokers and the homeless. If we want to go into the city it’s a 20 min drive. Driving is really a minor inconvenience versus dealing with package thefts, carjackings, violent unhoused people, or random gunfire on a regular basis.

Crime in DC will not be properly addressed until the real estate market bottoms out, businesses begin to leave and the tourist industry takes a huge hit. Expect more families to leave. Expect city services to decline due to less tax revenue. You only need to look to the 80s and 90s to see the future.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no faith that a floor is going to be put in the crime situation in NW, never mind it improving.

Frumin is not someone who inspires confidence in the future and Bowser admin reps have attended countless community meetings with things only getting worse. The only one who seemed genuinely concerned about public safety was Chris Geldart and he had issues and is long gone.

It makes me quite sad and my family is going to have to look seriously at relocating, having been in DC for 30 years. We moved west for schools and safety after 20 years EOTP and that worked for a long time and now the calculus has changed again. I wish we had gone to the burbs a long time ago, and become established then, we are not at life stages that are super conducive to moving right now.

Well that’s a little excessive. Unless you live in the Sedgewick or on top of the Tenleytown metro, it’s not going to get that much worse.

Actually, the PSA that includes Saratoga, Brandywine, Connecticut House was found to have the greatest crime increase of anywhere in the city, numbers were crunched from DC Crime Cards. Obviously not highest numbers in city but greatest change. Now a daytime weekend shooting after a lot of MPD focus for years. I live in that PSA and the effects of quality of life and safety in the past few years have been tremendous. There are tennis courts and a playground on the block where a shooting occurred at 3pm on a Saturday. We won't be the only ones likely to move. And for those that leave the Saratoga and Brandywine, the ratio of paying tenants may shrink further. My kids go to school near and often use the Tenleytown metro. I'd be remiss as a parent not to react to real shifts in safety levels. YMMV.

Crime becoming less predictable, more random and more diffuse has stretched a smaller MPD very thin. The commercial tax base has shrunk and population is dropping so there will be less money for safety initiatives, services, etc. It's happened before, maybe newcomers don't know that.

Not really the time to be Pollyanna when it comes to my family's well being when we heard the shots on Saturday. We moved away from that to what used to be a very quiet, safe area, for that and for the schools. Now, it's far less safe. There have been dozens upon dozens of community meetings in the past few years. For those unaware of that history, they may think there is some likely fix if they send a few emails or make a few calls, but no. The idea that Courtney Carlson can impact this in any way is laughable, Mary Cheh was not able to do much, with more power, and living even closer to the problem buildings. In fact, talking about the issues may have led to pushback that caused her to not run again.

Thanks for your support and concern for my family's well being, PP, the heartfelt scorn is noted.

I live in an area with much more crime and am concerned about it. Still, I think you’re being a bit absurd. Moving to the burbs and driving a lot is statistically higher risk for you.

People love to post the “driving more” narrative in response to concerns about rising crime. We moved to the suburbs after 25 years due to rising crime in our neighborhood. We drive less out here. My kids can walk to the ES, MS and HS. We can easily walk to three different pools, hiking trails, tennis courts and sports fields. My kids walk or bike to get snacks or pizza with friends. We have a community center and recreation center that haven’t been taken over by pot smokers and the homeless. If we want to go into the city it’s a 20 min drive. Driving is really a minor inconvenience versus dealing with package thefts, carjackings, violent unhoused people, or random gunfire on a regular basis.

Crime in DC will not be properly addressed until the real estate market bottoms out, businesses begin to leave and the tourist industry takes a huge hit. Expect more families to leave. Expect city services to decline due to less tax revenue. You only need to look to the 80s and 90s to see the future.

But nobody is selling their $2 mil Cleveland Park home due to an uptick in already very low crime levels. The people actually impacted are renters.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no faith that a floor is going to be put in the crime situation in NW, never mind it improving.

Frumin is not someone who inspires confidence in the future and Bowser admin reps have attended countless community meetings with things only getting worse. The only one who seemed genuinely concerned about public safety was Chris Geldart and he had issues and is long gone.

It makes me quite sad and my family is going to have to look seriously at relocating, having been in DC for 30 years. We moved west for schools and safety after 20 years EOTP and that worked for a long time and now the calculus has changed again. I wish we had gone to the burbs a long time ago, and become established then, we are not at life stages that are super conducive to moving right now.

Well that’s a little excessive. Unless you live in the Sedgewick or on top of the Tenleytown metro, it’s not going to get that much worse.

Actually, the PSA that includes Saratoga, Brandywine, Connecticut House was found to have the greatest crime increase of anywhere in the city, numbers were crunched from DC Crime Cards. Obviously not highest numbers in city but greatest change. Now a daytime weekend shooting after a lot of MPD focus for years. I live in that PSA and the effects of quality of life and safety in the past few years have been tremendous. There are tennis courts and a playground on the block where a shooting occurred at 3pm on a Saturday. We won't be the only ones likely to move. And for those that leave the Saratoga and Brandywine, the ratio of paying tenants may shrink further. My kids go to school near and often use the Tenleytown metro. I'd be remiss as a parent not to react to real shifts in safety levels. YMMV.

Crime becoming less predictable, more random and more diffuse has stretched a smaller MPD very thin. The commercial tax base has shrunk and population is dropping so there will be less money for safety initiatives, services, etc. It's happened before, maybe newcomers don't know that.

Not really the time to be Pollyanna when it comes to my family's well being when we heard the shots on Saturday. We moved away from that to what used to be a very quiet, safe area, for that and for the schools. Now, it's far less safe. There have been dozens upon dozens of community meetings in the past few years. For those unaware of that history, they may think there is some likely fix if they send a few emails or make a few calls, but no. The idea that Courtney Carlson can impact this in any way is laughable, Mary Cheh was not able to do much, with more power, and living even closer to the problem buildings. In fact, talking about the issues may have led to pushback that caused her to not run again.

Thanks for your support and concern for my family's well being, PP, the heartfelt scorn is noted.

I live in an area with much more crime and am concerned about it. Still, I think you’re being a bit absurd. Moving to the burbs and driving a lot is statistically higher risk for you.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/a-shaken-washington-copes-with-surging-violence-this-is-not-normal/ar-AA1gxQJ9

Yet, months of persistent gun violence is causing many Washingtonians to question their safety and commitment to the city with an intensity perhaps unseen since the drug wars.

In the 90s there were lots of empty school buildings because so many families had moved out of DC. It seems to happen in cycles, after the riots, during crack epidemic, and I think another one now, with remote work or hybrid schedules making it easier.

In the 90s W3 was fairly insulated from violence but that has changed somewhat. Drug dealing is visible but other constant cues of changes are things like all the empty shelves at CVS or all the locked products at Target. In the past it was a mix of best of suburbs and urban living with short commutes and good schools, but it is more stressful now.

the most recent data has DC proper gaining population, whereas the close-in burbs are losing. and I don’t think school enrollment numbers or housing prices are declining in NW DC. It could happen but come on, Cleveland Park is not H St NE ca 1969.

https://dc.urbanturf.com/articles/blog/dc-up-prince-georges-down-a-look-at-dc-area-population-changes-in-2022/20895