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Anonymous wrote:You're all right. Your custodians, childcare workers, public bus drivers, construction workers, food handlers, hospital staff, etc should all have to live hours outside of where they work.@@

You guys are so gross I can't even. Your premise is that low skilled workers you actually rely on do not get the same privilege as you (living where you work) because they are low skilled and poor?

Meanwhile, you enjoy the benefits of your property values and proximity while begrudging people living at near poverty level some quality of life.

ANd how do you manage this? By painting all poor people as drug addicts, gamblers, welfare queens, illegal immigrants, bad decision makers, and nameless faceless masses sucking your tax dollars away while refusing to see how YOU benefit from the tax structure in FFX county.

In other words, dehumanizing people while engaging in willful cognitive dissonance.

What privilege? Life choices have consequences. I chose to get straight As in high school while other hoodlums were busy Fin around in the streets failing out of their basic classes. I chose to get a college education in a difficult STEM field followed up by more years of graduate school education. I then worked hard to climb the ladder in my field.

My dad was a carpenter and my mom a social worker for the state. Please explain to me this privilege. It's not my duty to work my ass off so that the government can take what I earn and redistribute my money to people who made poorer life choices and earn less as a result.

It's called at will employment. If they feel like they're paid too low then they don't need to do their jobs anymore. They can find better paying ones. If their company doesn't pay enough and cannot get workers, then they'll have to pay more. It's not my job to ensure the make enough money to live. It's an expensive area and they choose to live here. They're free to also relocate to a less expensive area as well. Just because you exist doesn't mean you deserve to extract wealth from others.

Preach.

Absolutely. What part of its not their money do they not get?

+3

Terrible idea- enabling those who could actually work, if they wanted to.

Is there zero incentive to work?? Where are we??

The criteria are:

1. Employed
2. Older than 18
3. Live in Fairfax in 1 of 10 specified zip codes
4. Have at least one child aged 16 or younger living in the household
5. Not receiving any other form of government assistance (for example, SSDI)
6. Total household income at 150-250% of poverty level (for example, $45-75,000 for a household with 4 people)

$750 a month, for 180 randomly-selected eligible families, for 15 months.

Needs citizenship requirements

Why?

Citizens pay income taxes, citizesn get to benefit from it. Duh.

You understand that non-citizens working in the US, pay US taxes too?

If I go study abroad in Europe, I pay VAT and all sorts of other taxes too. That doesn't entitle me to all of their benefits like free healthcare and a social pension in retirement. I pay her country's taxes too while traveling abroad. Maybe I should get free healthcare in Japan too because I traveled there?

The lion's share of taxes comes from income tax. Please telle how illegal immigrants pay their legal required amount of income tax while they get paid under the table and how they can pay proper income taxes without a valid I9 not a social security number.

Please explain why you believe that the only two statuses in the US are "citizen" and "illegal immigrant."

Please explain on what planet it makes sense for any country in the world to import poor people? Why is it in first world countries like Canada, Australia, Japan, Germany, etc. you're required to show you have a certain level of savings, having a job with a solid salary etc. before you're allowed to stay. You need to prove you won't be a drain on society in every other developed country.

Were you sick the day they taught history in history class? In the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, tens of millions of immigrants arrived here, worked hard, and helped make this country the greatest in the world. Millions of those immigrants were poor, coming here with little more than what they could carry in suitcases and in hopes of making a better life. They faced the sorts of xenophobia that underlies your question.

This country was built by immigrants. Let’s not forget it. I’ll share some material to give you the Cliff’s Notes version.

https://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/united-states-history-primary-source-timeline/progressive-era-to-new-era-1900-1929/immigrants-in-progressive-era/

https://www.history.com/topics/immigration/immigration-united-states-timeline

It's 2023, not 1900, dimwit. Our immigration laws have changed. Our modes of transportation and economy have changed. Are you really this stupid to compare migration in 1900 to the year 2023? Jesus f'in Christ....

Another posted asked what reason we would have to let poor people immigrate here. History teaches us that one of those reasons is “because it’s what built our country in the twentieth century.”

Speaking of Jesus Christ, did he have anything to say about caring for the poor?

Speaking of Jesus Christ, wasn't he against theft?

Who is stealing what from you?

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Anonymous wrote:What a dumb idea. Must be election time soon. Let’s buy all the votes we can.

It's only 180 families :roll:

For now. The program will be declared a success at some point, and the county will attempt to scale it up. The problem with programs like these is that they never work at scale. You begin to see macroeconomic effects such as overall price inflation or reduced wages because the government will "make up the rest."

Who needs data when you already have all the answers! :roll:

This program is novel in any way. Fairfax County is not breaking new ground here. And to see the effects of free money, just look at inflation over the past two years. It's not corporate price gouging unless you also believe lowered inflation is corporate benevolence which is unlikely to exist.

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Anonymous wrote:What a dumb idea. Must be election time soon. Let’s buy all the votes we can.

It's only 180 families :roll:

For now. The program will be declared a success at some point, and the county will attempt to scale it up. The problem with programs like these is that they never work at scale. You begin to see macroeconomic effects such as overall price inflation or reduced wages because the government will "make up the rest."

Who needs data when you already have all the answers! :roll:

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Anonymous wrote:You're all right. Your custodians, childcare workers, public bus drivers, construction workers, food handlers, hospital staff, etc should all have to live hours outside of where they work.@@

You guys are so gross I can't even. Your premise is that low skilled workers you actually rely on do not get the same privilege as you (living where you work) because they are low skilled and poor?

Meanwhile, you enjoy the benefits of your property values and proximity while begrudging people living at near poverty level some quality of life.

ANd how do you manage this? By painting all poor people as drug addicts, gamblers, welfare queens, illegal immigrants, bad decision makers, and nameless faceless masses sucking your tax dollars away while refusing to see how YOU benefit from the tax structure in FFX county.

In other words, dehumanizing people while engaging in willful cognitive dissonance.

What privilege? Life choices have consequences. I chose to get straight As in high school while other hoodlums were busy Fin around in the streets failing out of their basic classes. I chose to get a college education in a difficult STEM field followed up by more years of graduate school education. I then worked hard to climb the ladder in my field.

My dad was a carpenter and my mom a social worker for the state. Please explain to me this privilege. It's not my duty to work my ass off so that the government can take what I earn and redistribute my money to people who made poorer life choices and earn less as a result.

It's called at will employment. If they feel like they're paid too low then they don't need to do their jobs anymore. They can find better paying ones. If their company doesn't pay enough and cannot get workers, then they'll have to pay more. It's not my job to ensure the make enough money to live. It's an expensive area and they choose to live here. They're free to also relocate to a less expensive area as well. Just because you exist doesn't mean you deserve to extract wealth from others.

Preach.

Absolutely. What part of its not their money do they not get?

+3

Terrible idea- enabling those who could actually work, if they wanted to.

Is there zero incentive to work?? Where are we??

The criteria are:

1. Employed
2. Older than 18
3. Live in Fairfax in 1 of 10 specified zip codes
4. Have at least one child aged 16 or younger living in the household
5. Not receiving any other form of government assistance (for example, SSDI)
6. Total household income at 150-250% of poverty level (for example, $45-75,000 for a household with 4 people)

$750 a month, for 180 randomly-selected eligible families, for 15 months.

Needs citizenship requirements

Why?

Citizens pay income taxes, citizesn get to benefit from it. Duh.

You understand that non-citizens working in the US, pay US taxes too?

If I go study abroad in Europe, I pay VAT and all sorts of other taxes too. That doesn't entitle me to all of their benefits like free healthcare and a social pension in retirement. I pay her country's taxes too while traveling abroad. Maybe I should get free healthcare in Japan too because I traveled there?

The lion's share of taxes comes from income tax. Please telle how illegal immigrants pay their legal required amount of income tax while they get paid under the table and how they can pay proper income taxes without a valid I9 not a social security number.

Please explain why you believe that the only two statuses in the US are "citizen" and "illegal immigrant."

Please explain on what planet it makes sense for any country in the world to import poor people? Why is it in first world countries like Canada, Australia, Japan, Germany, etc. you're required to show you have a certain level of savings, having a job with a solid salary etc. before you're allowed to stay. You need to prove you won't be a drain on society in every other developed country.

Were you sick the day they taught history in history class? In the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, tens of millions of immigrants arrived here, worked hard, and helped make this country the greatest in the world. Millions of those immigrants were poor, coming here with little more than what they could carry in suitcases and in hopes of making a better life. They faced the sorts of xenophobia that underlies your question.

This country was built by immigrants. Let’s not forget it. I’ll share some material to give you the Cliff’s Notes version.

https://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/united-states-history-primary-source-timeline/progressive-era-to-new-era-1900-1929/immigrants-in-progressive-era/

https://www.history.com/topics/immigration/immigration-united-states-timeline

It's 2023, not 1900, dimwit. Our immigration laws have changed. Our modes of transportation and economy have changed. Are you really this stupid to compare migration in 1900 to the year 2023? Jesus f'in Christ....

Another posted asked what reason we would have to let poor people immigrate here. History teaches us that one of those reasons is “because it’s what built our country in the twentieth century.”

Speaking of Jesus Christ, did he have anything to say about caring for the poor?

Speaking of Jesus Christ, wasn't he against theft?

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Anonymous wrote:You're all right. Your custodians, childcare workers, public bus drivers, construction workers, food handlers, hospital staff, etc should all have to live hours outside of where they work.@@

You guys are so gross I can't even. Your premise is that low skilled workers you actually rely on do not get the same privilege as you (living where you work) because they are low skilled and poor?

Meanwhile, you enjoy the benefits of your property values and proximity while begrudging people living at near poverty level some quality of life.

ANd how do you manage this? By painting all poor people as drug addicts, gamblers, welfare queens, illegal immigrants, bad decision makers, and nameless faceless masses sucking your tax dollars away while refusing to see how YOU benefit from the tax structure in FFX county.

In other words, dehumanizing people while engaging in willful cognitive dissonance.

What privilege? Life choices have consequences. I chose to get straight As in high school while other hoodlums were busy Fin around in the streets failing out of their basic classes. I chose to get a college education in a difficult STEM field followed up by more years of graduate school education. I then worked hard to climb the ladder in my field.

My dad was a carpenter and my mom a social worker for the state. Please explain to me this privilege. It's not my duty to work my ass off so that the government can take what I earn and redistribute my money to people who made poorer life choices and earn less as a result.

It's called at will employment. If they feel like they're paid too low then they don't need to do their jobs anymore. They can find better paying ones. If their company doesn't pay enough and cannot get workers, then they'll have to pay more. It's not my job to ensure the make enough money to live. It's an expensive area and they choose to live here. They're free to also relocate to a less expensive area as well. Just because you exist doesn't mean you deserve to extract wealth from others.

Preach.

Absolutely. What part of its not their money do they not get?

+3

Terrible idea- enabling those who could actually work, if they wanted to.

Is there zero incentive to work?? Where are we??

The criteria are:

1. Employed
2. Older than 18
3. Live in Fairfax in 1 of 10 specified zip codes
4. Have at least one child aged 16 or younger living in the household
5. Not receiving any other form of government assistance (for example, SSDI)
6. Total household income at 150-250% of poverty level (for example, $45-75,000 for a household with 4 people)

$750 a month, for 180 randomly-selected eligible families, for 15 months.

Needs citizenship requirements

Why?

Citizens pay income taxes, citizesn get to benefit from it. Duh.

You understand that non-citizens working in the US, pay US taxes too?

If I go study abroad in Europe, I pay VAT and all sorts of other taxes too. That doesn't entitle me to all of their benefits like free healthcare and a social pension in retirement. I pay her country's taxes too while traveling abroad. Maybe I should get free healthcare in Japan too because I traveled there?

The lion's share of taxes comes from income tax. Please telle how illegal immigrants pay their legal required amount of income tax while they get paid under the table and how they can pay proper income taxes without a valid I9 not a social security number.

Please explain why you believe that the only two statuses in the US are "citizen" and "illegal immigrant."

Please explain on what planet it makes sense for any country in the world to import poor people? Why is it in first world countries like Canada, Australia, Japan, Germany, etc. you're required to show you have a certain level of savings, having a job with a solid salary etc. before you're allowed to stay. You need to prove you won't be a drain on society in every other developed country.

Were you sick the day they taught history in history class? In the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, tens of millions of immigrants arrived here, worked hard, and helped make this country the greatest in the world. Millions of those immigrants were poor, coming here with little more than what they could carry in suitcases and in hopes of making a better life. They faced the sorts of xenophobia that underlies your question.

This country was built by immigrants. Let’s not forget it. I’ll share some material to give you the Cliff’s Notes version.

https://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/united-states-history-primary-source-timeline/progressive-era-to-new-era-1900-1929/immigrants-in-progressive-era/

https://www.history.com/topics/immigration/immigration-united-states-timeline

It's 2023, not 1900, dimwit. Our immigration laws have changed. Our modes of transportation and economy have changed. Are you really this stupid to compare migration in 1900 to the year 2023? Jesus f'in Christ....

Another posted asked what reason we would have to let poor people immigrate here. History teaches us that one of those reasons is “because it’s what built our country in the twentieth century.”

Speaking of Jesus Christ, did he have anything to say about caring for the poor?

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Anonymous wrote:What a dumb idea. Must be election time soon. Let’s buy all the votes we can.

It's only 180 families

For now. The program will be declared a success at some point, and the county will attempt to scale it up. The problem with programs like these is that they never work at scale. You begin to see macroeconomic effects such as overall price inflation or reduced wages because the government will "make up the rest."

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Anonymous wrote:What a dumb idea. Must be election time soon. Let’s buy all the votes we can.

It's only 180 families

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Anonymous wrote:You're all right. Your custodians, childcare workers, public bus drivers, construction workers, food handlers, hospital staff, etc should all have to live hours outside of where they work.@@

You guys are so gross I can't even. Your premise is that low skilled workers you actually rely on do not get the same privilege as you (living where you work) because they are low skilled and poor?

Meanwhile, you enjoy the benefits of your property values and proximity while begrudging people living at near poverty level some quality of life.

ANd how do you manage this? By painting all poor people as drug addicts, gamblers, welfare queens, illegal immigrants, bad decision makers, and nameless faceless masses sucking your tax dollars away while refusing to see how YOU benefit from the tax structure in FFX county.

In other words, dehumanizing people while engaging in willful cognitive dissonance.

What privilege? Life choices have consequences. I chose to get straight As in high school while other hoodlums were busy Fin around in the streets failing out of their basic classes. I chose to get a college education in a difficult STEM field followed up by more years of graduate school education. I then worked hard to climb the ladder in my field.

My dad was a carpenter and my mom a social worker for the state. Please explain to me this privilege. It's not my duty to work my ass off so that the government can take what I earn and redistribute my money to people who made poorer life choices and earn less as a result.

It's called at will employment. If they feel like they're paid too low then they don't need to do their jobs anymore. They can find better paying ones. If their company doesn't pay enough and cannot get workers, then they'll have to pay more. It's not my job to ensure the make enough money to live. It's an expensive area and they choose to live here. They're free to also relocate to a less expensive area as well. Just because you exist doesn't mean you deserve to extract wealth from others.

Preach.

Absolutely. What part of its not their money do they not get?

+3

Terrible idea- enabling those who could actually work, if they wanted to.

Is there zero incentive to work?? Where are we??

The criteria are:

1. Employed
2. Older than 18
3. Live in Fairfax in 1 of 10 specified zip codes
4. Have at least one child aged 16 or younger living in the household
5. Not receiving any other form of government assistance (for example, SSDI)
6. Total household income at 150-250% of poverty level (for example, $45-75,000 for a household with 4 people)

$750 a month, for 180 randomly-selected eligible families, for 15 months.

Needs citizenship requirements

Why?

Citizens pay income taxes, citizesn get to benefit from it. Duh.

You understand that non-citizens working in the US, pay US taxes too?

If I go study abroad in Europe, I pay VAT and all sorts of other taxes too. That doesn't entitle me to all of their benefits like free healthcare and a social pension in retirement. I pay her country's taxes too while traveling abroad. Maybe I should get free healthcare in Japan too because I traveled there?

The lion's share of taxes comes from income tax. Please telle how illegal immigrants pay their legal required amount of income tax while they get paid under the table and how they can pay proper income taxes without a valid I9 not a social security number.

Please explain why you believe that the only two statuses in the US are "citizen" and "illegal immigrant."

Please explain on what planet it makes sense for any country in the world to import poor people? Why is it in first world countries like Canada, Australia, Japan, Germany, etc. you're required to show you have a certain level of savings, having a job with a solid salary etc. before you're allowed to stay. You need to prove you won't be a drain on society in every other developed country.

Were you sick the day they taught history in history class? In the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, tens of millions of immigrants arrived here, worked hard, and helped make this country the greatest in the world. Millions of those immigrants were poor, coming here with little more than what they could carry in suitcases and in hopes of making a better life. They faced the sorts of xenophobia that underlies your question.

This country was built by immigrants. Let’s not forget it. I’ll share some material to give you the Cliff’s Notes version.

https://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/united-states-history-primary-source-timeline/progressive-era-to-new-era-1900-1929/immigrants-in-progressive-era/

https://www.history.com/topics/immigration/immigration-united-states-timeline

And somehow many managed to succeed without Medicaid, food stamps, rent controlled housing, other subsidized programs I'm forgetting and especially helicopter cash.

+1000

Where were the cash handouts for these immigrants like what they propose here?

Why have you decided that this is a program for immigrants? What do you base this on?

DP here. Look at the population in the areas proposed.

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Anonymous wrote:You're all right. Your custodians, childcare workers, public bus drivers, construction workers, food handlers, hospital staff, etc should all have to live hours outside of where they work.@@

You guys are so gross I can't even. Your premise is that low skilled workers you actually rely on do not get the same privilege as you (living where you work) because they are low skilled and poor?

Meanwhile, you enjoy the benefits of your property values and proximity while begrudging people living at near poverty level some quality of life.

ANd how do you manage this? By painting all poor people as drug addicts, gamblers, welfare queens, illegal immigrants, bad decision makers, and nameless faceless masses sucking your tax dollars away while refusing to see how YOU benefit from the tax structure in FFX county.

In other words, dehumanizing people while engaging in willful cognitive dissonance.

What privilege? Life choices have consequences. I chose to get straight As in high school while other hoodlums were busy Fin around in the streets failing out of their basic classes. I chose to get a college education in a difficult STEM field followed up by more years of graduate school education. I then worked hard to climb the ladder in my field.

My dad was a carpenter and my mom a social worker for the state. Please explain to me this privilege. It's not my duty to work my ass off so that the government can take what I earn and redistribute my money to people who made poorer life choices and earn less as a result.

It's called at will employment. If they feel like they're paid too low then they don't need to do their jobs anymore. They can find better paying ones. If their company doesn't pay enough and cannot get workers, then they'll have to pay more. It's not my job to ensure the make enough money to live. It's an expensive area and they choose to live here. They're free to also relocate to a less expensive area as well. Just because you exist doesn't mean you deserve to extract wealth from others.

Preach.

Absolutely. What part of its not their money do they not get?

+3

Terrible idea- enabling those who could actually work, if they wanted to.

Is there zero incentive to work?? Where are we??

The criteria are:

1. Employed
2. Older than 18
3. Live in Fairfax in 1 of 10 specified zip codes
4. Have at least one child aged 16 or younger living in the household
5. Not receiving any other form of government assistance (for example, SSDI)
6. Total household income at 150-250% of poverty level (for example, $45-75,000 for a household with 4 people)

$750 a month, for 180 randomly-selected eligible families, for 15 months.

Needs citizenship requirements

Why?

Citizens pay income taxes, citizesn get to benefit from it. Duh.

You understand that non-citizens working in the US, pay US taxes too?

If I go study abroad in Europe, I pay VAT and all sorts of other taxes too. That doesn't entitle me to all of their benefits like free healthcare and a social pension in retirement. I pay her country's taxes too while traveling abroad. Maybe I should get free healthcare in Japan too because I traveled there?

The lion's share of taxes comes from income tax. Please telle how illegal immigrants pay their legal required amount of income tax while they get paid under the table and how they can pay proper income taxes without a valid I9 not a social security number.

Please explain why you believe that the only two statuses in the US are "citizen" and "illegal immigrant."

Please explain on what planet it makes sense for any country in the world to import poor people? Why is it in first world countries like Canada, Australia, Japan, Germany, etc. you're required to show you have a certain level of savings, having a job with a solid salary etc. before you're allowed to stay. You need to prove you won't be a drain on society in every other developed country.

Were you sick the day they taught history in history class? In the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, tens of millions of immigrants arrived here, worked hard, and helped make this country the greatest in the world. Millions of those immigrants were poor, coming here with little more than what they could carry in suitcases and in hopes of making a better life. They faced the sorts of xenophobia that underlies your question.

This country was built by immigrants. Let’s not forget it. I’ll share some material to give you the Cliff’s Notes version.

https://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/united-states-history-primary-source-timeline/progressive-era-to-new-era-1900-1929/immigrants-in-progressive-era/

https://www.history.com/topics/immigration/immigration-united-states-timeline

And somehow many managed to succeed without Medicaid, food stamps, rent controlled housing, other subsidized programs I'm forgetting and especially helicopter cash.

+1000

Where were the cash handouts for these immigrants like what they propose here?

Why have you decided that this is a program for immigrants? What do you base this on?

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Anonymous wrote:You're all right. Your custodians, childcare workers, public bus drivers, construction workers, food handlers, hospital staff, etc should all have to live hours outside of where they work.@@

You guys are so gross I can't even. Your premise is that low skilled workers you actually rely on do not get the same privilege as you (living where you work) because they are low skilled and poor?

Meanwhile, you enjoy the benefits of your property values and proximity while begrudging people living at near poverty level some quality of life.

ANd how do you manage this? By painting all poor people as drug addicts, gamblers, welfare queens, illegal immigrants, bad decision makers, and nameless faceless masses sucking your tax dollars away while refusing to see how YOU benefit from the tax structure in FFX county.

In other words, dehumanizing people while engaging in willful cognitive dissonance.

What privilege? Life choices have consequences. I chose to get straight As in high school while other hoodlums were busy Fin around in the streets failing out of their basic classes. I chose to get a college education in a difficult STEM field followed up by more years of graduate school education. I then worked hard to climb the ladder in my field.

My dad was a carpenter and my mom a social worker for the state. Please explain to me this privilege. It's not my duty to work my ass off so that the government can take what I earn and redistribute my money to people who made poorer life choices and earn less as a result.

It's called at will employment. If they feel like they're paid too low then they don't need to do their jobs anymore. They can find better paying ones. If their company doesn't pay enough and cannot get workers, then they'll have to pay more. It's not my job to ensure the make enough money to live. It's an expensive area and they choose to live here. They're free to also relocate to a less expensive area as well. Just because you exist doesn't mean you deserve to extract wealth from others.

Preach.

Absolutely. What part of its not their money do they not get?

+3

Terrible idea- enabling those who could actually work, if they wanted to.

Is there zero incentive to work?? Where are we??

The criteria are:

1. Employed
2. Older than 18
3. Live in Fairfax in 1 of 10 specified zip codes
4. Have at least one child aged 16 or younger living in the household
5. Not receiving any other form of government assistance (for example, SSDI)
6. Total household income at 150-250% of poverty level (for example, $45-75,000 for a household with 4 people)

$750 a month, for 180 randomly-selected eligible families, for 15 months.

Needs citizenship requirements

Why?

Citizens pay income taxes, citizesn get to benefit from it. Duh.

You understand that non-citizens working in the US, pay US taxes too?

If I go study abroad in Europe, I pay VAT and all sorts of other taxes too. That doesn't entitle me to all of their benefits like free healthcare and a social pension in retirement. I pay her country's taxes too while traveling abroad. Maybe I should get free healthcare in Japan too because I traveled there?

The lion's share of taxes comes from income tax. Please telle how illegal immigrants pay their legal required amount of income tax while they get paid under the table and how they can pay proper income taxes without a valid I9 not a social security number.

Please explain why you believe that the only two statuses in the US are "citizen" and "illegal immigrant."

Please explain on what planet it makes sense for any country in the world to import poor people? Why is it in first world countries like Canada, Australia, Japan, Germany, etc. you're required to show you have a certain level of savings, having a job with a solid salary etc. before you're allowed to stay. You need to prove you won't be a drain on society in every other developed country.

Were you sick the day they taught history in history class? In the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, tens of millions of immigrants arrived here, worked hard, and helped make this country the greatest in the world. Millions of those immigrants were poor, coming here with little more than what they could carry in suitcases and in hopes of making a better life. They faced the sorts of xenophobia that underlies your question.

This country was built by immigrants. Let’s not forget it. I’ll share some material to give you the Cliff’s Notes version.

https://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/united-states-history-primary-source-timeline/progressive-era-to-new-era-1900-1929/immigrants-in-progressive-era/

https://www.history.com/topics/immigration/immigration-united-states-timeline

And somehow many managed to succeed without Medicaid, food stamps, rent controlled housing, other subsidized programs I'm forgetting and especially helicopter cash.

+1000

Where were the cash handouts for these immigrants like what they propose here?

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Anonymous wrote:You're all right. Your custodians, childcare workers, public bus drivers, construction workers, food handlers, hospital staff, etc should all have to live hours outside of where they work.@@

You guys are so gross I can't even. Your premise is that low skilled workers you actually rely on do not get the same privilege as you (living where you work) because they are low skilled and poor?

Meanwhile, you enjoy the benefits of your property values and proximity while begrudging people living at near poverty level some quality of life.

ANd how do you manage this? By painting all poor people as drug addicts, gamblers, welfare queens, illegal immigrants, bad decision makers, and nameless faceless masses sucking your tax dollars away while refusing to see how YOU benefit from the tax structure in FFX county.

In other words, dehumanizing people while engaging in willful cognitive dissonance.

What privilege? Life choices have consequences. I chose to get straight As in high school while other hoodlums were busy Fin around in the streets failing out of their basic classes. I chose to get a college education in a difficult STEM field followed up by more years of graduate school education. I then worked hard to climb the ladder in my field.

My dad was a carpenter and my mom a social worker for the state. Please explain to me this privilege. It's not my duty to work my ass off so that the government can take what I earn and redistribute my money to people who made poorer life choices and earn less as a result.

It's called at will employment. If they feel like they're paid too low then they don't need to do their jobs anymore. They can find better paying ones. If their company doesn't pay enough and cannot get workers, then they'll have to pay more. It's not my job to ensure the make enough money to live. It's an expensive area and they choose to live here. They're free to also relocate to a less expensive area as well. Just because you exist doesn't mean you deserve to extract wealth from others.

Preach.

Absolutely. What part of its not their money do they not get?

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Terrible idea- enabling those who could actually work, if they wanted to.

Is there zero incentive to work?? Where are we??

The criteria are:

1. Employed
2. Older than 18
3. Live in Fairfax in 1 of 10 specified zip codes
4. Have at least one child aged 16 or younger living in the household
5. Not receiving any other form of government assistance (for example, SSDI)
6. Total household income at 150-250% of poverty level (for example, $45-75,000 for a household with 4 people)

$750 a month, for 180 randomly-selected eligible families, for 15 months.

Needs citizenship requirements

Why?

Citizens pay income taxes, citizesn get to benefit from it. Duh.

You understand that non-citizens working in the US, pay US taxes too?

If I go study abroad in Europe, I pay VAT and all sorts of other taxes too. That doesn't entitle me to all of their benefits like free healthcare and a social pension in retirement. I pay her country's taxes too while traveling abroad. Maybe I should get free healthcare in Japan too because I traveled there?

The lion's share of taxes comes from income tax. Please telle how illegal immigrants pay their legal required amount of income tax while they get paid under the table and how they can pay proper income taxes without a valid I9 not a social security number.

Please explain why you believe that the only two statuses in the US are "citizen" and "illegal immigrant."

Please explain on what planet it makes sense for any country in the world to import poor people? Why is it in first world countries like Canada, Australia, Japan, Germany, etc. you're required to show you have a certain level of savings, having a job with a solid salary etc. before you're allowed to stay. You need to prove you won't be a drain on society in every other developed country.

Were you sick the day they taught history in history class? In the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, tens of millions of immigrants arrived here, worked hard, and helped make this country the greatest in the world. Millions of those immigrants were poor, coming here with little more than what they could carry in suitcases and in hopes of making a better life. They faced the sorts of xenophobia that underlies your question.

This country was built by immigrants. Let’s not forget it. I’ll share some material to give you the Cliff’s Notes version.

https://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/united-states-history-primary-source-timeline/progressive-era-to-new-era-1900-1929/immigrants-in-progressive-era/

https://www.history.com/topics/immigration/immigration-united-states-timeline

It's 2023, not 1900, dimwit. Our immigration laws have changed. Our modes of transportation and economy have changed. Are you really this stupid to compare migration in 1900 to the year 2023? Jesus f'in Christ....

Another posted asked what reason we would have to let poor people immigrate here. History teaches us that one of those reasons is “because it’s what built our country in the twentieth century.”

Speaking of Jesus Christ, did he have anything to say about caring for the poor?

The poor already receive so much assistance in this country and yet we're still at such a high disparity between babes and have nots. Sounds like it's not working and the answer is not to double down on even more government aid.

Look, I've worked with the poor before. Many of these people are good hard working salt of the earth type people but there's many more who do not WANT to help themselves and just take take take. Between my annual taxes and that frustrating experience, I consider myself already squared away with Jesus.

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Anonymous wrote:You're all right. Your custodians, childcare workers, public bus drivers, construction workers, food handlers, hospital staff, etc should all have to live hours outside of where they work.@@

You guys are so gross I can't even. Your premise is that low skilled workers you actually rely on do not get the same privilege as you (living where you work) because they are low skilled and poor?

Meanwhile, you enjoy the benefits of your property values and proximity while begrudging people living at near poverty level some quality of life.

ANd how do you manage this? By painting all poor people as drug addicts, gamblers, welfare queens, illegal immigrants, bad decision makers, and nameless faceless masses sucking your tax dollars away while refusing to see how YOU benefit from the tax structure in FFX county.

In other words, dehumanizing people while engaging in willful cognitive dissonance.

What privilege? Life choices have consequences. I chose to get straight As in high school while other hoodlums were busy Fin around in the streets failing out of their basic classes. I chose to get a college education in a difficult STEM field followed up by more years of graduate school education. I then worked hard to climb the ladder in my field.

My dad was a carpenter and my mom a social worker for the state. Please explain to me this privilege. It's not my duty to work my ass off so that the government can take what I earn and redistribute my money to people who made poorer life choices and earn less as a result.

It's called at will employment. If they feel like they're paid too low then they don't need to do their jobs anymore. They can find better paying ones. If their company doesn't pay enough and cannot get workers, then they'll have to pay more. It's not my job to ensure the make enough money to live. It's an expensive area and they choose to live here. They're free to also relocate to a less expensive area as well. Just because you exist doesn't mean you deserve to extract wealth from others.

Preach.

Absolutely. What part of its not their money do they not get?

+3

Terrible idea- enabling those who could actually work, if they wanted to.

Is there zero incentive to work?? Where are we??

The criteria are:

1. Employed
2. Older than 18
3. Live in Fairfax in 1 of 10 specified zip codes
4. Have at least one child aged 16 or younger living in the household
5. Not receiving any other form of government assistance (for example, SSDI)
6. Total household income at 150-250% of poverty level (for example, $45-75,000 for a household with 4 people)

$750 a month, for 180 randomly-selected eligible families, for 15 months.

Needs citizenship requirements

Why?

Citizens pay income taxes, citizesn get to benefit from it. Duh.

You understand that non-citizens working in the US, pay US taxes too?

If I go study abroad in Europe, I pay VAT and all sorts of other taxes too. That doesn't entitle me to all of their benefits like free healthcare and a social pension in retirement. I pay her country's taxes too while traveling abroad. Maybe I should get free healthcare in Japan too because I traveled there?

The lion's share of taxes comes from income tax. Please telle how illegal immigrants pay their legal required amount of income tax while they get paid under the table and how they can pay proper income taxes without a valid I9 not a social security number.

Please explain why you believe that the only two statuses in the US are "citizen" and "illegal immigrant."

Please explain on what planet it makes sense for any country in the world to import poor people? Why is it in first world countries like Canada, Australia, Japan, Germany, etc. you're required to show you have a certain level of savings, having a job with a solid salary etc. before you're allowed to stay. You need to prove you won't be a drain on society in every other developed country.

Were you sick the day they taught history in history class? In the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, tens of millions of immigrants arrived here, worked hard, and helped make this country the greatest in the world. Millions of those immigrants were poor, coming here with little more than what they could carry in suitcases and in hopes of making a better life. They faced the sorts of xenophobia that underlies your question.

This country was built by immigrants. Let’s not forget it. I’ll share some material to give you the Cliff’s Notes version.

https://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/united-states-history-primary-source-timeline/progressive-era-to-new-era-1900-1929/immigrants-in-progressive-era/

https://www.history.com/topics/immigration/immigration-united-states-timeline

It's 2023, not 1900, dimwit. Our immigration laws have changed. Our modes of transportation and economy have changed. Are you really this stupid to compare migration in 1900 to the year 2023? Jesus f'in Christ....

Another posted asked what reason we would have to let poor people immigrate here. History teaches us that one of those reasons is “because it’s what built our country in the twentieth century.”

Speaking of Jesus Christ, did he have anything to say about caring for the poor?

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Anonymous wrote:You're all right. Your custodians, childcare workers, public bus drivers, construction workers, food handlers, hospital staff, etc should all have to live hours outside of where they work.@@

You guys are so gross I can't even. Your premise is that low skilled workers you actually rely on do not get the same privilege as you (living where you work) because they are low skilled and poor?

Meanwhile, you enjoy the benefits of your property values and proximity while begrudging people living at near poverty level some quality of life.

ANd how do you manage this? By painting all poor people as drug addicts, gamblers, welfare queens, illegal immigrants, bad decision makers, and nameless faceless masses sucking your tax dollars away while refusing to see how YOU benefit from the tax structure in FFX county.

In other words, dehumanizing people while engaging in willful cognitive dissonance.

What privilege? Life choices have consequences. I chose to get straight As in high school while other hoodlums were busy Fin around in the streets failing out of their basic classes. I chose to get a college education in a difficult STEM field followed up by more years of graduate school education. I then worked hard to climb the ladder in my field.

My dad was a carpenter and my mom a social worker for the state. Please explain to me this privilege. It's not my duty to work my ass off so that the government can take what I earn and redistribute my money to people who made poorer life choices and earn less as a result.

It's called at will employment. If they feel like they're paid too low then they don't need to do their jobs anymore. They can find better paying ones. If their company doesn't pay enough and cannot get workers, then they'll have to pay more. It's not my job to ensure the make enough money to live. It's an expensive area and they choose to live here. They're free to also relocate to a less expensive area as well. Just because you exist doesn't mean you deserve to extract wealth from others.

Preach.

Absolutely. What part of its not their money do they not get?

+3

Terrible idea- enabling those who could actually work, if they wanted to.

Is there zero incentive to work?? Where are we??

The criteria are:

1. Employed
2. Older than 18
3. Live in Fairfax in 1 of 10 specified zip codes
4. Have at least one child aged 16 or younger living in the household
5. Not receiving any other form of government assistance (for example, SSDI)
6. Total household income at 150-250% of poverty level (for example, $45-75,000 for a household with 4 people)

$750 a month, for 180 randomly-selected eligible families, for 15 months.

Needs citizenship requirements

Why?

Citizens pay income taxes, citizesn get to benefit from it. Duh.

You understand that non-citizens working in the US, pay US taxes too?

If I go study abroad in Europe, I pay VAT and all sorts of other taxes too. That doesn't entitle me to all of their benefits like free healthcare and a social pension in retirement. I pay her country's taxes too while traveling abroad. Maybe I should get free healthcare in Japan too because I traveled there?

The lion's share of taxes comes from income tax. Please telle how illegal immigrants pay their legal required amount of income tax while they get paid under the table and how they can pay proper income taxes without a valid I9 not a social security number.

Please explain why you believe that the only two statuses in the US are "citizen" and "illegal immigrant."

Please explain on what planet it makes sense for any country in the world to import poor people? Why is it in first world countries like Canada, Australia, Japan, Germany, etc. you're required to show you have a certain level of savings, having a job with a solid salary etc. before you're allowed to stay. You need to prove you won't be a drain on society in every other developed country.

Were you sick the day they taught history in history class? In the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, tens of millions of immigrants arrived here, worked hard, and helped make this country the greatest in the world. Millions of those immigrants were poor, coming here with little more than what they could carry in suitcases and in hopes of making a better life. They faced the sorts of xenophobia that underlies your question.

This country was built by immigrants. Let’s not forget it. I’ll share some material to give you the Cliff’s Notes version.

https://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/united-states-history-primary-source-timeline/progressive-era-to-new-era-1900-1929/immigrants-in-progressive-era/

https://www.history.com/topics/immigration/immigration-united-states-timeline

It's 2023, not 1900, dimwit. Our immigration laws have changed. Our modes of transportation and economy have changed. Are you really this stupid to compare migration in 1900 to the year 2023? Jesus f'in Christ....

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Anonymous wrote:You're all right. Your custodians, childcare workers, public bus drivers, construction workers, food handlers, hospital staff, etc should all have to live hours outside of where they work.@@

You guys are so gross I can't even. Your premise is that low skilled workers you actually rely on do not get the same privilege as you (living where you work) because they are low skilled and poor?

Meanwhile, you enjoy the benefits of your property values and proximity while begrudging people living at near poverty level some quality of life.

ANd how do you manage this? By painting all poor people as drug addicts, gamblers, welfare queens, illegal immigrants, bad decision makers, and nameless faceless masses sucking your tax dollars away while refusing to see how YOU benefit from the tax structure in FFX county.

In other words, dehumanizing people while engaging in willful cognitive dissonance.

What privilege? Life choices have consequences. I chose to get straight As in high school while other hoodlums were busy Fin around in the streets failing out of their basic classes. I chose to get a college education in a difficult STEM field followed up by more years of graduate school education. I then worked hard to climb the ladder in my field.

My dad was a carpenter and my mom a social worker for the state. Please explain to me this privilege. It's not my duty to work my ass off so that the government can take what I earn and redistribute my money to people who made poorer life choices and earn less as a result.

It's called at will employment. If they feel like they're paid too low then they don't need to do their jobs anymore. They can find better paying ones. If their company doesn't pay enough and cannot get workers, then they'll have to pay more. It's not my job to ensure the make enough money to live. It's an expensive area and they choose to live here. They're free to also relocate to a less expensive area as well. Just because you exist doesn't mean you deserve to extract wealth from others.

Preach.

Absolutely. What part of its not their money do they not get?

+3

Terrible idea- enabling those who could actually work, if they wanted to.

Is there zero incentive to work?? Where are we??

The criteria are:

1. Employed
2. Older than 18
3. Live in Fairfax in 1 of 10 specified zip codes
4. Have at least one child aged 16 or younger living in the household
5. Not receiving any other form of government assistance (for example, SSDI)
6. Total household income at 150-250% of poverty level (for example, $45-75,000 for a household with 4 people)

$750 a month, for 180 randomly-selected eligible families, for 15 months.

Needs citizenship requirements

Why?

Citizens pay income taxes, citizesn get to benefit from it. Duh.

You understand that non-citizens working in the US, pay US taxes too?

If I go study abroad in Europe, I pay VAT and all sorts of other taxes too. That doesn't entitle me to all of their benefits like free healthcare and a social pension in retirement. I pay her country's taxes too while traveling abroad. Maybe I should get free healthcare in Japan too because I traveled there?

The lion's share of taxes comes from income tax. Please telle how illegal immigrants pay their legal required amount of income tax while they get paid under the table and how they can pay proper income taxes without a valid I9 not a social security number.

Please explain why you believe that the only two statuses in the US are "citizen" and "illegal immigrant."

Please explain on what planet it makes sense for any country in the world to import poor people? Why is it in first world countries like Canada, Australia, Japan, Germany, etc. you're required to show you have a certain level of savings, having a job with a solid salary etc. before you're allowed to stay. You need to prove you won't be a drain on society in every other developed country.

Were you sick the day they taught history in history class? In the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, tens of millions of immigrants arrived here, worked hard, and helped make this country the greatest in the world. Millions of those immigrants were poor, coming here with little more than what they could carry in suitcases and in hopes of making a better life. They faced the sorts of xenophobia that underlies your question.

This country was built by immigrants. Let’s not forget it. I’ll share some material to give you the Cliff’s Notes version.

https://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/united-states-history-primary-source-timeline/progressive-era-to-new-era-1900-1929/immigrants-in-progressive-era/

https://www.history.com/topics/immigration/immigration-united-states-timeline

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Anonymous wrote:You're all right. Your custodians, childcare workers, public bus drivers, construction workers, food handlers, hospital staff, etc should all have to live hours outside of where they work.@@

You guys are so gross I can't even. Your premise is that low skilled workers you actually rely on do not get the same privilege as you (living where you work) because they are low skilled and poor?

Meanwhile, you enjoy the benefits of your property values and proximity while begrudging people living at near poverty level some quality of life.

ANd how do you manage this? By painting all poor people as drug addicts, gamblers, welfare queens, illegal immigrants, bad decision makers, and nameless faceless masses sucking your tax dollars away while refusing to see how YOU benefit from the tax structure in FFX county.

In other words, dehumanizing people while engaging in willful cognitive dissonance.

What privilege? Life choices have consequences. I chose to get straight As in high school while other hoodlums were busy Fin around in the streets failing out of their basic classes. I chose to get a college education in a difficult STEM field followed up by more years of graduate school education. I then worked hard to climb the ladder in my field.

My dad was a carpenter and my mom a social worker for the state. Please explain to me this privilege. It's not my duty to work my ass off so that the government can take what I earn and redistribute my money to people who made poorer life choices and earn less as a result.

It's called at will employment. If they feel like they're paid too low then they don't need to do their jobs anymore. They can find better paying ones. If their company doesn't pay enough and cannot get workers, then they'll have to pay more. It's not my job to ensure the make enough money to live. It's an expensive area and they choose to live here. They're free to also relocate to a less expensive area as well. Just because you exist doesn't mean you deserve to extract wealth from others.

Preach.

Absolutely. What part of its not their money do they not get?

+3

Terrible idea- enabling those who could actually work, if they wanted to.

Is there zero incentive to work?? Where are we??

The criteria are:

1. Employed
2. Older than 18
3. Live in Fairfax in 1 of 10 specified zip codes
4. Have at least one child aged 16 or younger living in the household
5. Not receiving any other form of government assistance (for example, SSDI)
6. Total household income at 150-250% of poverty level (for example, $45-75,000 for a household with 4 people)

$750 a month, for 180 randomly-selected eligible families, for 15 months.

Needs citizenship requirements

Why?

Citizens pay income taxes, citizesn get to benefit from it. Duh.

You understand that non-citizens working in the US, pay US taxes too?

If I go study abroad in Europe, I pay VAT and all sorts of other taxes too. That doesn't entitle me to all of their benefits like free healthcare and a social pension in retirement. I pay her country's taxes too while traveling abroad. Maybe I should get free healthcare in Japan too because I traveled there?

The lion's share of taxes comes from income tax. Please telle how illegal immigrants pay their legal required amount of income tax while they get paid under the table and how they can pay proper income taxes without a valid I9 not a social security number.

Please explain why you believe that the only two statuses in the US are "citizen" and "illegal immigrant."

Please explain on what planet it makes sense for any country in the world to import poor people? Why is it in first world countries like Canada, Australia, Japan, Germany, etc. you're required to show you have a certain level of savings, having a job with a solid salary etc. before you're allowed to stay. You need to prove you won't be a drain on society in every other developed country.

Were you sick the day they taught history in history class? In the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, tens of millions of immigrants arrived here, worked hard, and helped make this country the greatest in the world. Millions of those immigrants were poor, coming here with little more than what they could carry in suitcases and in hopes of making a better life. They faced the sorts of xenophobia that underlies your question.

This country was built by immigrants. Let’s not forget it. I’ll share some material to give you the Cliff’s Notes version.

https://www.loc.gov/classroom-materials/united-states-history-primary-source-timeline/progressive-era-to-new-era-1900-1929/immigrants-in-progressive-era/

https://www.history.com/topics/immigration/immigration-united-states-timeline

And somehow many managed to succeed without Medicaid, food stamps, rent controlled housing, other subsidized programs I'm forgetting and especially helicopter cash.