If UPS didn’t think it was in their best interest to agree to this, they wouldn’t agree to it.

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Anonymous wrote:What should a "fair" wage for UPS drivers be? A lot of posters think it's too much but nobody has said what they should earn. And do they provide more value to our economy than most of the folks sitting behind a desk basically pushing papers that use absolutely zero of their college degree to do their job? I'd argue yes.

$50-70k. Pretty much the average between fedex, Dhl, usps, Amazon, etc. they’re about $19-28 /hr, while the union is extorting UPS for $49/ hr. There’s no way ups drivers work that much harder or better than Amazon delivery guys. They’re bring hugely overpaid.

They need to get better uniions!. Why are you hating on UPS drivers for having a union that clearly knows their value they bring to the table?

Yellow just filed for bankruptcy and 22,000 teamsters lost their job (good job unions!). The teamsters played hardball with UPS Freight 5 years ago, and UPS Freight emptied their network and said they would close their doors if the teamsters didn't back off. UPS ended up selling UPS Freight to TFII, and TFII called the new company TForce. TForce had to raise their prices significantly to pay for the non-competitive wage and benefit package that the teamsters forced UPS to sign. TForce lost roughly 50% of their business and thousands of teamster employees lost their jobs (good job unions!). UPS will be forced to raise their rates significantly to pay for the new teamster wage and benefit package, which will result in lost business to FedEx, USPS, and the fast growing regional non-union parcel carriers. Thousands of teamsters will lose their jobs. Nearly every single teamster transportation company has gone bankrupt since Jimmy Carter deregulated the trucking industry. The American landscape is littered with thousands of vacant buildings that used to employ millions of unionized workers that eventually were forced into bankruptcy by corrupt and incompetent union leaders, or to move their operations oversees to remain in business. UPS will eventually be destroyed by the teamsters. It's just a matter of time.

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Anonymous wrote:What should a "fair" wage for UPS drivers be? A lot of posters think it's too much but nobody has said what they should earn. And do they provide more value to our economy than most of the folks sitting behind a desk basically pushing papers that use absolutely zero of their college degree to do their job? I'd argue yes.

$50-70k. Pretty much the average between fedex, Dhl, usps, Amazon, etc. they’re about $19-28 /hr, while the union is extorting UPS for $49/ hr. There’s no way ups drivers work that much harder or better than Amazon delivery guys. They’re bring hugely overpaid.

They need to get better uniions!. Why are you hating on UPS drivers for having a union that clearly knows their value they bring to the table?

^too little*

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Anonymous wrote:What should a "fair" wage for UPS drivers be? A lot of posters think it's too much but nobody has said what they should earn. And do they provide more value to our economy than most of the folks sitting behind a desk basically pushing papers that use absolutely zero of their college degree to do their job? I'd argue yes.

$50-70k. Pretty much the average between fedex, Dhl, usps, Amazon, etc. they’re about $19-28 /hr, while the union is extorting UPS for $49/ hr. There’s no way ups drivers work that much harder or better than Amazon delivery guys. They’re bring hugely overpaid.

You are looking at it the wrong way. Amazon drivers are getting paid TOO little and being exploited (so we can all have a constant stream of cheap crap from China). We should not try to bring people down to the lowest level.

Wrong.

If Amazon drivers were getting paid to little then no one would do the job, yet people do do the job. UPS management are idiots allowing themselves to be extorted for gross overcompensation while Amazon has shown it can pay a fraction of the cost and be worth over a trillion dollars.

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Anonymous wrote:What should a "fair" wage for UPS drivers be? A lot of posters think it's too much but nobody has said what they should earn. And do they provide more value to our economy than most of the folks sitting behind a desk basically pushing papers that use absolutely zero of their college degree to do their job? I'd argue yes.

$50-70k. Pretty much the average between fedex, Dhl, usps, Amazon, etc. they’re about $19-28 /hr, while the union is extorting UPS for $49/ hr. There’s no way ups drivers work that much harder or better than Amazon delivery guys. They’re bring hugely overpaid.

You are looking at it the wrong way. Amazon drivers are getting paid TOO little and being exploited (so we can all have a constant stream of cheap crap from China). We should not try to bring people down to the lowest level.

Isn’t anyone free to apply for these UPS jobs? Why don’t you complainers do that?

Anonymous wrote:What should a "fair" wage for UPS drivers be? A lot of posters think it's too much but nobody has said what they should earn. And do they provide more value to our economy than most of the folks sitting behind a desk basically pushing papers that use absolutely zero of their college degree to do their job? I'd argue yes.

$50-70k. Pretty much the average between fedex, Dhl, usps, Amazon, etc. they’re about $19-28 /hr, while the union is extorting UPS for $49/ hr. There’s no way ups drivers work that much harder or better than Amazon delivery guys. They’re bring hugely overpaid.

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Anonymous wrote:That's way to much money.

Yes, it is the way to much money. Or did you mean something else?

What should a "fair" wage for UPS drivers be? A lot of posters think it's too much but nobody has said what they should earn. And do they provide more value to our economy than most of the folks sitting behind a desk basically pushing papers that use absolutely zero of their college degree to do their job? I'd argue yes.

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Anonymous wrote:Just another example of massively overpaying for unskilled and uneducated labor. The results will be predictable, which are to accelerate the use of automation as much as possible. It’s only a matter of time before they overcompensate themselves out of existence. Why would anyone with an education and skills accept a lower salary than a UPS truck driver? Is everyone will be asking for higher wages, which in the end causes a whole bunch of wage driven inflation. The end result is that UPS drivers get nowhere in terms of real purchasing power as where they were before, and all the country did after terrible wage inflation is just ruin everyone’s life savings in the process.

Companies will also start pulling out of the US as labor becomes massively overcompensated for these simple jobs.

I worked for UPS my first year out of college. It was a great union job with health benefits even for part time work, but it would have been a hard job to work full time. It's hard on the body!

Farming is hard on the body. Working at a steel mill is hard on the body. Working at the slaughter house is hard on the body. Masonry is hard on the body. You gonna pay peo0,e who clean chicken farm houses $170k too because it is hard work? Ready to pay $80 for a pack of chicken?

Anonymous wrote:Just another example of massively overpaying for unskilled and uneducated labor. The results will be predictable, which are to accelerate the use of automation as much as possible. It’s only a matter of time before they overcompensate themselves out of existence. Why would anyone with an education and skills accept a lower salary than a UPS truck driver? Is everyone will be asking for higher wages, which in the end causes a whole bunch of wage driven inflation. The end result is that UPS drivers get nowhere in terms of real purchasing power as where they were before, and all the country did after terrible wage inflation is just ruin everyone’s life savings in the process.

Companies will also start pulling out of the US as labor becomes massively overcompensated for these simple jobs.

I worked for UPS my first year out of college. It was a great union job with health benefits even for part time work, but it would have been a hard job to work full time. It's hard on the body!

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Anonymous wrote:That's way to much money.

Yes, it is the way to much money. Or did you mean something else?

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Anonymous wrote:The median salary for a pediatrician is $190k:

https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes291221.htm


So you’re telling me there’s only a $20k delta between a UPS truck driver that has obtained no skills and no education vs a children’s doctor that has a bachelor’s degree, a medical school degree, and post-MD training on top of needing to be board certified? Ridiculous. Oh and with the $300k in med school debt.

They’re overpaying the drivers by a lot. FedEx pays way less. It’s going to crush UPS once this is reflected in the prices.

You are so clueless about the job market.

Not really:

https://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/FedEx-Freight-Road-Driver-Salaries-E15813_D_KO14,25.htm

UPS generates 15 billion more a year than FEDEX and has only 2/3 the employee of FEDEX, so there's that.

Anonymous wrote:That's way to much money.

Yes, it is the way to much money. Or did you mean something else?