Anonymous wrote:Not a MSU grad or fan, but I lived in Michigan for a long time, & have seen the Wolverine hubris up close. You are just hurt that your egos have been exposed.

+1 Funny how hubris can be so insecure.

Anonymous wrote:Not a MSU grad or fan, but I lived in Michigan for a long time, & have seen the Wolverine hubris up close. You are just hurt that your egos have been exposed.

Michigan grad who lived in Michigan and aware of the culture. Two indisputable facts;
- U of M arrogance can be beyond belief. Yes, there are excellent programs, but let's stop treating it like a religious site.

- State is a party school. Unlike Michigan, most graduates stay in-state and pretty much dominate several fields. At least in my child's HS, all the mean girls and future fratbros went to State.

Anonymous wrote:Not a MSU grad or fan, but I lived in Michigan for a long time, & have seen the Wolverine hubris up close. You are just hurt that your egos have been exposed.

All Michigan egos have been exposed based on a few comments by one or maybe two Michigan partisans? Too funny.

Not a MSU grad or fan, but I lived in Michigan for a long time, & have seen the Wolverine hubris up close. You are just hurt that your egos have been exposed.

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan grad here. I have a very slight preference form Madison over Ann Arbor and a more significant preference for Michigan's campus over Wisconsin's. I have visited most of the major state universities. The one most like Michigan is Wisconsin. The one most like Wisconsin is Michigan. I could see choosing either one. I chose Michigan, partly because of prestige/rankings and particly because Michigan does a better job of creating small communities within a larger university. For example, there is no equivalent to the Michigan Residential College (which is sort of like a small liberal arts college) at Wisconsin.

Agree. And next closest to each is IU.

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For a liberal arts and sciences student or a business student, IU is remarkably similar to Michigan and Wisconsin in all ways save selectivity. For an engineering student, it's obviously not.

I honestly don’t see it, but of course you’re entitled to your opinion. Indiana is more similar to Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan State among many others. A very solid university with some great programs, but not in the same tier as Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, or UVA.

How well do you know these actual schools as opposed to their "rankings"? Ohio State and Michigan State offer meaningfully different experiences than Michigan/Wisconsin/IU. Penn State is kinda in between, but also with its own weird inferiority complex twist. (These schools all are more alike than they are different in the grand scheme of things, but if you're grouping them, IU goes with Michigan and Wisconsin rather than with the others. UVA is kinda close to that group, too, but Berkeley and UCLA definitely aren't.)

Where does Minnesota fall in this discussion?

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Anonymous wrote:One thing about Wisconsin grads, they always light up when they talk about it and go on and on about how much they loved the school - in a way I don’t hear about anyplace else. Graduation is like expulsion from the Garden of Eden.

I just posted above and I agree about this. There are lots of WI grads in the DC area and we all can't help but get a smile on our faces when we talk about it. We loved the school, are proud of attending, and think it has served us well.

Great insight. What do you hear most about what people love so much?

There isn't one overriding factor that makes us love it so much, but rather a great combination of all sorts of things. Now I graduated in the 90s, so this is from that vantage point. Excellent and interesting professors (I don't recall having any classes taught by TAs) and classes, a university that cultivates true school spirit, a fun atmosphere - the State Street atmosphere is hard to beat, great sports spirit, and a beautiful campus. And the Memorial Union Terrace! It embodies the best in a college atmosphere. And the town of Madison is just large enough to be interesting outside of the University and easy to get around in. But there was also a feeling that the University believes it is important for your education to matter to the world. The Wisconsin Idea. I left feeling like I was able to contribute something of value to the world while also having a great time learning those values. Now being in DC with public servants galore, it is easy to see this play out with UW alumni, both undergrad and graduate program graduates - there are so many UW law students in DC. And I do think there is a lack of pretentiousness from graduates that makes us easy to relate to.

And I am confident my degree from there helped me in my career advancement, at least early in my career before I earned my master's from somewhere else. My DD has her heart set on attending there. She will need to broaden her choices of course, but I won't do anything to dissuade her from attending if she is one of the 20% of OOS enrollees that is accepted.

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan grad here. I have a very slight preference form Madison over Ann Arbor and a more significant preference for Michigan's campus over Wisconsin's. I have visited most of the major state universities. The one most like Michigan is Wisconsin. The one most like Wisconsin is Michigan. I could see choosing either one. I chose Michigan, partly because of prestige/rankings and particly because Michigan does a better job of creating small communities within a larger university. For example, there is no equivalent to the Michigan Residential College (which is sort of like a small liberal arts college) at Wisconsin.

Agree. And next closest to each is IU.

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For a liberal arts and sciences student or a business student, IU is remarkably similar to Michigan and Wisconsin in all ways save selectivity. For an engineering student, it's obviously not.

I honestly don’t see it, but of course you’re entitled to your opinion. Indiana is more similar to Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan State among many others. A very solid university with some great programs, but not in the same tier as Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, or UVA.

How well do you know these actual schools as opposed to their "rankings"? Ohio State and Michigan State offer meaningfully different experiences than Michigan/Wisconsin/IU. Penn State is kinda in between, but also with its own weird inferiority complex twist. (These schools all are more alike than they are different in the grand scheme of things, but if you're grouping them, IU goes with Michigan and Wisconsin rather than with the others. UVA is kinda close to that group, too, but Berkeley and UCLA definitely aren't.)

Anonymous wrote:Let me guess, you’re a Michigan man!

You obviously went to State. Am I correct?

Let me guess, you’re a Michigan man!

Anonymous wrote:The desperate tone of the Michigan backers betrays who they are. It’s not enough for them to be respected, everyone else has to be scorned. A gaggle of Manhattan financiers discussing Mississippi has nothing on Michigan grads talking about Michigan State.

What are you talking about? This was a discussion about Wisconsin and Michigan. Others have chimed in about Indiana, Florida, and now Michigan State. I get it. All public universities are the same and there is little to no difference between them, right? Wisconsin and Michigan are close enough peers that it’s a reasonable discussion to compare the two. Go start a conversation about your favorite school and see what happens. Try Michigan State vs Indiana.

The desperate tone of the Michigan backers betrays who they are. It’s not enough for them to be respected, everyone else has to be scorned. A gaggle of Manhattan financiers discussing Mississippi has nothing on Michigan grads talking about Michigan State.

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan grad here. I have a very slight preference form Madison over Ann Arbor and a more significant preference for Michigan's campus over Wisconsin's. I have visited most of the major state universities. The one most like Michigan is Wisconsin. The one most like Wisconsin is Michigan. I could see choosing either one. I chose Michigan, partly because of prestige/rankings and particly because Michigan does a better job of creating small communities within a larger university. For example, there is no equivalent to the Michigan Residential College (which is sort of like a small liberal arts college) at Wisconsin.

Agree. And next closest to each is IU.

Hardly

For a liberal arts and sciences student or a business student, IU is remarkably similar to Michigan and Wisconsin in all ways save selectivity. For an engineering student, it's obviously not.

I honestly don’t see it, but of course you’re entitled to your opinion. Indiana is more similar to Ohio State, Penn State, Michigan State among many others. A very solid university with some great programs, but not in the same tier as Berkeley, UCLA, Michigan, or UVA.

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Anonymous wrote:Michigan grad here. I have a very slight preference form Madison over Ann Arbor and a more significant preference for Michigan's campus over Wisconsin's. I have visited most of the major state universities. The one most like Michigan is Wisconsin. The one most like Wisconsin is Michigan. I could see choosing either one. I chose Michigan, partly because of prestige/rankings and particly because Michigan does a better job of creating small communities within a larger university. For example, there is no equivalent to the Michigan Residential College (which is sort of like a small liberal arts college) at Wisconsin.

Agree. And next closest to each is IU.

Hardly

For a liberal arts and sciences student or a business student, IU is remarkably similar to Michigan and Wisconsin in all ways save selectivity. For an engineering student, it's obviously not.

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Anonymous wrote:One thing about Wisconsin grads, they always light up when they talk about it and go on and on about how much they loved the school - in a way I don’t hear about anyplace else. Graduation is like expulsion from the Garden of Eden.

I just posted above and I agree about this. There are lots of WI grads in the DC area and we all can't help but get a smile on our faces when we talk about it. We loved the school, are proud of attending, and think it has served us well.

Not a Wisconsin grad but would tend to agree that alumni seem pretty happy. That said, have noticed this phenomenon with a few of the other Big10 schools as well. My sense is that they're just fun places where you can get a good education in a more laid back (than DC) environment. Schools like Michigan that attract more east coasters aren't quite the same.

I’ve met plenty of Michigan graduates who loved their time in Ann Arbor. Its all anecdotal anyway.

It is more like a cult.

How so?

DP “Harvard if the midwest” comes to mind. Excessive pride.

You can’t even get the quote right. It was JFK who called Harvard, “The Michigan of the East.”

It appears you have excessive jealousy.

I have - in real life - heard grads say this. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Oooh, you really showed me! I don’t see how that proves the schools graduates are, “ more like a cult.” Try a bit harder, if you are able.

Your lack of maturity isn’t remotely persuasive. You’re just confirming all the negative stereotypes of Michigan grads. But you’re probably 17 year old boy who hopes to get in next year. I hope your dream comes true.

Who said I’m a Michigan graduate? Projecting much?

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Anonymous wrote:One thing about Wisconsin grads, they always light up when they talk about it and go on and on about how much they loved the school - in a way I don’t hear about anyplace else. Graduation is like expulsion from the Garden of Eden.

I just posted above and I agree about this. There are lots of WI grads in the DC area and we all can't help but get a smile on our faces when we talk about it. We loved the school, are proud of attending, and think it has served us well.

Not a Wisconsin grad but would tend to agree that alumni seem pretty happy. That said, have noticed this phenomenon with a few of the other Big10 schools as well. My sense is that they're just fun places where you can get a good education in a more laid back (than DC) environment. Schools like Michigan that attract more east coasters aren't quite the same.

I’ve met plenty of Michigan graduates who loved their time in Ann Arbor. Its all anecdotal anyway.

It is more like a cult.

How so?

DP “Harvard if the midwest” comes to mind. Excessive pride.

You can’t even get the quote right. It was JFK who called Harvard, “The Michigan of the East.”

It appears you have excessive jealousy.

I have - in real life - heard grads say this. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Oooh, you really showed me! I don’t see how that proves the schools graduates are, “ more like a cult.” Try a bit harder, if you are able.

Your lack of maturity isn’t remotely persuasive. You’re just confirming all the negative stereotypes of Michigan grads. But you’re probably 17 year old boy who hopes to get in next year. I hope your dream comes true.