Actually there is a statute of George Washington in Trafalgar Square in London.

I lived in England as an American for a few years and don’t recall seeing any statues or roads dedicated to the traitors to the crown who founded America so your analogy doesn’t hold up. Nice try though.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s all a political stunt. Why don’t they ever consider changing the names of Fairfax County, given that it’s named after a Slave owner? Because it would be too much effort, there’s other ways they can make a progrssive name for them selves

It’s because it wasn’t named “Fairfax County” to enforce the redemption of white supremacy. You need to look at the timing and the motivation, not just whether the person enslaved people.

Exactly right. This sort of whatabout-ism from Confederate sympathizers is just an excuse to deflect from the fact that there’s no good reason to name public property after traitors. Many founders owned slaves, but at least they helped found our country instead of betraying it.

This is really funny. Of course the founding fathers betrayed their country (England). Now, they weren’t doing so with the goal of continuing to own people, but they did in fact continue to own people, and they did in fact rebel against their country as traitors. How is that so different from confederales? By the way, I am fine with the name changes, but this dichotomy people create to decide who to celebrate and who to vilify is really something.

England is welcome to not name streets after John Adams or Nathan Hale or Ethan Allen.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's rename everything after Union politicans, generals, soldiers. You know, the WINNERS instread of the LOSERS. That way you can "chuckle" about how quaint the Civil War is, think about history as you drive, and also not glorify racist traitors. Win/win/win right?

Well Virginia is a southern state, so don’t you think the people who fought for virginia would be the ‘losers’? Not many ‘winners’ from Virginia to name them after.

No, you are making a common but serious error in thinking that all southerners were confederates. There were many many families torn apart by choosing different loyalties.

there were also many many families torn apart by being enslaved

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Anonymous wrote:Let's rename everything after Union politicans, generals, soldiers. You know, the WINNERS instread of the LOSERS. That way you can "chuckle" about how quaint the Civil War is, think about history as you drive, and also not glorify racist traitors. Win/win/win right?

Well Virginia is a southern state, so don’t you think the people who fought for virginia would be the ‘losers’? Not many ‘winners’ from Virginia to name them after.

No, you are making a common but serious error in thinking that all southerners were confederates. There were many many families torn apart by choosing different loyalties.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s all a political stunt. Why don’t they ever consider changing the names of Fairfax County, given that it’s named after a Slave owner? Because it would be too much effort, there’s other ways they can make a progrssive name for them selves

It’s because it wasn’t named “Fairfax County” to enforce the redemption of white supremacy. You need to look at the timing and the motivation, not just whether the person enslaved people.

Exactly right. This sort of whatabout-ism from Confederate sympathizers is just an excuse to deflect from the fact that there’s no good reason to name public property after traitors. Many founders owned slaves, but at least they helped found our country instead of betraying it.

This is really funny. Of course the founding fathers betrayed their country (England). Now, they weren’t doing so with the goal of continuing to own people, but they did in fact continue to own people, and they did in fact rebel against their country as traitors. How is that so different from confederales? By the way, I am fine with the name changes, but this dichotomy people create to decide who to celebrate and who to vilify is really something.

If you can’t understand the difference between (1) someone who rebelled against a monarchy due to usurious taxes and the desire to self rule, and then founded the country we currently live in, and (2) someone who seceded from that country because they didn’t want to stop OWNING HUMANS to enrich themselves, then you’re an idiot who shouldn’t be in charge of anything.

No one is arguing that founding fathers were saints— they were slave owning, classist, misogynists who were largely acting in self interest. But so was the British ruling class— they may not have enslaved people in England, but many of the aristocracy made their wealth via plantations in colonized countries using slave labor. So there was no “anti-slavery” side in the Revolutionary War. There was a pro-slavery side in the Civil War, thankfully they lost, and it is weird to celebrate the people who lost a war in which they were explicitly fighting for their right to own other humans.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s all a political stunt. Why don’t they ever consider changing the names of Fairfax County, given that it’s named after a Slave owner? Because it would be too much effort, there’s other ways they can make a progrssive name for them selves

It’s because it wasn’t named “Fairfax County” to enforce the redemption of white supremacy. You need to look at the timing and the motivation, not just whether the person enslaved people.

Exactly right. This sort of whatabout-ism from Confederate sympathizers is just an excuse to deflect from the fact that there’s no good reason to name public property after traitors. Many founders owned slaves, but at least they helped found our country instead of betraying it.

This is really funny. Of course the founding fathers betrayed their country (England). Now, they weren’t doing so with the goal of continuing to own people, but they did in fact continue to own people, and they did in fact rebel against their country as traitors. How is that so different from confederales? By the way, I am fine with the name changes, but this dichotomy people create to decide who to celebrate and who to vilify is really something.

Anonymous wrote:Let's rename everything after Union politicans, generals, soldiers. You know, the WINNERS instread of the LOSERS. That way you can "chuckle" about how quaint the Civil War is, think about history as you drive, and also not glorify racist traitors. Win/win/win right?

Well Virginia is a southern state, so don’t you think the people who fought for virginia would be the ‘losers’? Not many ‘winners’ from Virginia to name them after.

Anonymous wrote:Wow just in, historic John Mosby Highway has also been renamed. This is very tragic to our commonwealth.

Let's rename everything after Union politicans, generals, soldiers. You know, the WINNERS instread of the LOSERS. That way you can "chuckle" about how quaint the Civil War is, think about history as you drive, and also not glorify racist traitors. Win/win/win right?

Live here, don't care. Want history, read a book.

History is only being erased by Republican book banners.

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Anonymous wrote:Wasn't it named after the Lee family? Robert E Lee's dad was a celebrated Revolutionary war veteran and also a governor of VA. Light horse Harry

Unfortunately, Lee Highway and Lee-Jackson Highway were named after the Confederate Lee & Jackson, in the early 1900s. If it had been named after Lighthorse Harry Lee for his Revolutionary War service instead, we'd still have it.

wow. a piece of history that has existed for more than a century being ripped by a group of know nothing politicians. sad

This is more fun to them then reducing public school violence.

Traitors to what, exactly?

The country founded in white supremacy in the first place?


Lol.

Anonymous wrote:Thanks for sharing! Great news. Traitors shouldn't be honored.

Agree and glad they're finally righting things like this. It was really offensive to have to drive on a road named after pro-slave traitors.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s all a political stunt. Why don’t they ever consider changing the names of Fairfax County, given that it’s named after a Slave owner? Because it would be too much effort, there’s other ways they can make a progrssive name for them selves

It’s because it wasn’t named “Fairfax County” to enforce the redemption of white supremacy. You need to look at the timing and the motivation, not just whether the person enslaved people.

Exactly right. This sort of whatabout-ism from Confederate sympathizers is just an excuse to deflect from the fact that there’s no good reason to name public property after traitors. Many founders owned slaves, but at least they helped found our country instead of betraying it.