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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn’t want my kids wasting time memorizing something like the Gettysburg address. Very pointless. In addition, some kids have issues with memorization. And can you imagine the teacher and students having to listen to 28 kids recite the Gettysburg address?!

Yes--what is the point of learning the words of one of our greatest Presidents? What is the point of learning how and where he wrote it? What is the point of knowing why he wrote it? What is the point of learning the history of what happened at Gettysburg?

Are you being deliberately obtuse? You need not MEMORIZE it to learn about it, and they why of its importance.

Do you have it memorized? I don't. And I could still tell you about it.

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The vast vast majority of us have not memorized the US constitution, yet, we understand the principle of it without having to memorize it.

Really, there is no point in memorizing poems and texts. Study sure, memorize, not necessary.

Are you sure about that?

well, some people do, but do you really think that those who don't understand the principles of the Constitution would better understand it if they memorized it?

Anyone can memorize words strung together; it doesn't mean they understand what those words mean.

Analyzing the text is definitely worthwhile, but there's really no point in memorizing it. You don't need to memorize it to understand the basic principles of the text.

Other than a parlor trick, nobody, including constitutional scholars, is memorizing the whole constitution.

right, and yet, many of us know the principles of it without having ever memorized it.

What do you think is gained by memorizing the 18th amendment? Does being able to rattle off the third amendment give you a deeper knowledge of con law?

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Yes I do. The third amendment is pretty basic and has been litigated only once I believe so once you memorize the text and learn what it means to quarter soldiers you’ve got the basics of one piece of constitutional law! And I knew what the third amendment was but I just looked up the text and I had forgotten that the constitution forbids forced quartering even in times of war unless it’s “prescribed by law.” So somebody who had it memorized would know better than I did that the founding fathers were really, really against government imposition.

I'm not a lawyer, but I can memorize whatever amendment, but if I don't understand what I'm memorizing, it's pointless.

Conversely, I can study the amendment without memorizing it and have a good grasp of what that amendment means.

Memorizing text is not necessary to understand the principles of the text. The time and resource would be better spend for the student to analyze text than just memorizing it, which can be quite time consuming.

Yes you can learn something well without memorizing it, but memorizing something—making sure it’s locked in your long-term memory—-helps you remember what you’ve learned. Have you ever memorized a poem? I highly recommend it. It’s rewarding.

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Anonymous wrote:Man oh Man! What a strange thing to care this much about. Ok Ok.. you did it in the 70's - great. I would rather my kids learn a foreign language or a programming language or some life skill (mechanics, shop, cooking). Something truly useful in life. Next you are gong to want them to have mandatory typing.

The typing class I took in 7th grade was one of the most practical classes I took in school. As was the speech class I took in 8th grade.

Nowadays, kids use laptops but don't learn how to touch type. So strange.

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Bring back actual typing instruction!!!

YES - my kids have started doing dance mat typing. It's their goal to learn how to type properly over the summer.

While we're at it, can we please bring back cursive writing? I'm an AP teacher. It takes them forever to write any notes. We could cover twice as much material if I didn't have to wait so long for them to write things down.

(Research shows that the brain processes information better when writing by hand than when typing, so while chromebooks in class have their uses, it's not a substitute for handwritten lecture notes.)

They should be typing notes, that's what they'll do in undergraduate and graduate school.

I type very well. My cursive is terrible and I hate to write thank you notes because of my penmanship. However, when I really want to remember something, I make handwritten notes to myself. It helps me remember much better than typing. Maybe, it is a throw back to taking notes in school.

When I really want to remember something, I pull up the notes that I typed. Typing notes is a skill, and kids a probably better off learning to be efficient in high school than in a 400 student 101 class in a giant lecture hall

The research seems pretty solid that handwritten notes help a lot more than typed notes, as far as grades go. And this includes random assignment.

As an ADHDer, the only way I can survive my job is by relying very heavily on handwritten note-taking. It forces me to pay attention, and avoids the inherent distractions of the laptop.

Does OP know that songs are poems?

I don't know anyone who's hasn't memorized at least one poem.

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Anonymous wrote:Man oh Man! What a strange thing to care this much about. Ok Ok.. you did it in the 70's - great. I would rather my kids learn a foreign language or a programming language or some life skill (mechanics, shop, cooking). Something truly useful in life. Next you are gong to want them to have mandatory typing.

The typing class I took in 7th grade was one of the most practical classes I took in school. As was the speech class I took in 8th grade.

Nowadays, kids use laptops but don't learn how to touch type. So strange.

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Bring back actual typing instruction!!!

YES - my kids have started doing dance mat typing. It's their goal to learn how to type properly over the summer.

While we're at it, can we please bring back cursive writing? I'm an AP teacher. It takes them forever to write any notes. We could cover twice as much material if I didn't have to wait so long for them to write things down.

(Research shows that the brain processes information better when writing by hand than when typing, so while chromebooks in class have their uses, it's not a substitute for handwritten lecture notes.)

They should be typing notes, that's what they'll do in undergraduate and graduate school.

I type very well. My cursive is terrible and I hate to write thank you notes because of my penmanship. However, when I really want to remember something, I make handwritten notes to myself. It helps me remember much better than typing. Maybe, it is a throw back to taking notes in school.

When I really want to remember something, I pull up the notes that I typed. Typing notes is a skill, and kids a probably better off learning to be efficient in high school than in a 400 student 101 class in a giant lecture hall

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Anonymous wrote:Man oh Man! What a strange thing to care this much about. Ok Ok.. you did it in the 70's - great. I would rather my kids learn a foreign language or a programming language or some life skill (mechanics, shop, cooking). Something truly useful in life. Next you are gong to want them to have mandatory typing.

The typing class I took in 7th grade was one of the most practical classes I took in school. As was the speech class I took in 8th grade.

Nowadays, kids use laptops but don't learn how to touch type. So strange.

+1
Bring back actual typing instruction!!!

YES - my kids have started doing dance mat typing. It's their goal to learn how to type properly over the summer.

While we're at it, can we please bring back cursive writing? I'm an AP teacher. It takes them forever to write any notes. We could cover twice as much material if I didn't have to wait so long for them to write things down.

(Research shows that the brain processes information better when writing by hand than when typing, so while chromebooks in class have their uses, it's not a substitute for handwritten lecture notes.)

They should be typing notes, that's what they'll do in undergraduate and graduate school.

I type very well. My cursive is terrible and I hate to write thank you notes because of my penmanship. However, when I really want to remember something, I make handwritten notes to myself. It helps me remember much better than typing. Maybe, it is a throw back to taking notes in school.

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Anonymous wrote:Man oh Man! What a strange thing to care this much about. Ok Ok.. you did it in the 70's - great. I would rather my kids learn a foreign language or a programming language or some life skill (mechanics, shop, cooking). Something truly useful in life. Next you are gong to want them to have mandatory typing.

The typing class I took in 7th grade was one of the most practical classes I took in school. As was the speech class I took in 8th grade.

Nowadays, kids use laptops but don't learn how to touch type. So strange.

+1
Bring back actual typing instruction!!!

YES - my kids have started doing dance mat typing. It's their goal to learn how to type properly over the summer.

While we're at it, can we please bring back cursive writing? I'm an AP teacher. It takes them forever to write any notes. We could cover twice as much material if I didn't have to wait so long for them to write things down.

(Research shows that the brain processes information better when writing by hand than when typing, so while chromebooks in class have their uses, it's not a substitute for handwritten lecture notes.)

They should be typing notes, that's what they'll do in undergraduate and graduate school.

Anonymous wrote:I wouldn’t want my kids wasting time memorizing something like the Gettysburg address. Very pointless. In addition, some kids have issues with memorization. And can you imagine the teacher and students having to listen to 28 kids recite the Gettysburg address?!

Here are some reasons why memorization is important:

Proven benefits of memorization
Despite the existing backlash against memorization, rote learning has proven benefits. Here’s why it still plays a critical role in education:

1. Memorization Fosters Critical Thinking
Just like working out in the gym, challenging and consistent exercises are vital to the brain staying fit. Thus, a challenge like memorization is a great way to exercise your brain for better mental fitness.

2. Memorization Teaches Your Brain to Remember
It’s crucial to train your brain to remember. Memorizing gives your brain the strength to recall information. Therefore, memorizing any information over time rather than cramming makes your brain more receptive to remembering.

3. Improves Neural Plasticity
Through extended exercises in memorization, learners can retain more information. Accordingly, with repeated activation of the memory structures, you promote neuronal plasticity in the brain. According to MedicineNet, neuroplasticity allows neurons to respond to environmental changes by adjusting their activity.

4. Nursery School Rhymes Demonstrate Rhythmic Patterns
The repetition of nursery school rhymes teaches children memorization, a critical tool for children.

5. Memorization Benefits Through Mental Gymnastics
Neurobiologists believe that people who obsess over sports statistics make their brains agile and fast.

6. Knowing Frees Up Your Brain Capacity
Students who’ve memorized definitions, functions, equations, and other information can free up more brain capacity to use in other areas. If one has grasped all foundational concepts, one can move on to bigger concepts.

7. Memorization Improves Critical Thinking
Memorization lays an excellent foundation for cognitive development in the early stages. For instance, our early learning occurs through nursery school rhymes. Although these children don’t understand the structure, they learn through rhyme schemes.

8. Memory Training Starves Off Cognitive Decline
Adults who go through short periods of memory training are better off maintaining everyday skills and higher cognitive functions. Moreover, memorization allows adults to delay cognitive decline by 14 years.

9. Memorization Creates a Working Memory Necessary for Creativity
Working memory is necessary for creativity. Students who have mastered how to focus and develop their working memory through memorizing are more creative.

10. Memory Skills Help You Focus
When students memorize, they learn to focus. That said, students who practice memorizing at an early stage learn how to focus better on learning activities at high school and college levels.

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Anonymous wrote:Man oh Man! What a strange thing to care this much about. Ok Ok.. you did it in the 70's - great. I would rather my kids learn a foreign language or a programming language or some life skill (mechanics, shop, cooking). Something truly useful in life. Next you are gong to want them to have mandatory typing.

The typing class I took in 7th grade was one of the most practical classes I took in school. As was the speech class I took in 8th grade.

Nowadays, kids use laptops but don't learn how to touch type. So strange.

+1
Bring back actual typing instruction!!!

YES - my kids have started doing dance mat typing. It's their goal to learn how to type properly over the summer.

While we're at it, can we please bring back cursive writing? I'm an AP teacher. It takes them forever to write any notes. We could cover twice as much material if I didn't have to wait so long for them to write things down.

(Research shows that the brain processes information better when writing by hand than when typing, so while chromebooks in class have their uses, it's not a substitute for handwritten lecture notes.)

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Anonymous wrote:Memorizing classic words doesn’t mean they understand them. I’d rather my child understand the purpose and meaning without being able to recite word for word.

+1. I can’t believe OP thinks memorizing is something worth praising and recommending.

And, I bet you also don't do well on standardized tests.

Memorizing helps you learn to think on your feet. It helps you relate pieces of information. Why are you against it? If you cannot remember pieces of information, you have nothing to work with.

I’ve always remembered things better if I understand them and can explain them to someone else. You understand that people can retain information in different ways? And aren’t a lot of standardized tests about applied knowledge as well?

I rather my kids learn to interpret a passage/poem and then summarize it in their own words. I agree background knowledge is important. But that’s not the same as memorization.

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn’t want my kids wasting time memorizing something like the Gettysburg address. Very pointless. In addition, some kids have issues with memorization. And can you imagine the teacher and students having to listen to 28 kids recite the Gettysburg address?!

Yes--what is the point of learning the words of one of our greatest Presidents? What is the point of learning how and where he wrote it? What is the point of knowing why he wrote it? What is the point of learning the history of what happened at Gettysburg?

Are you being deliberately obtuse? You need not MEMORIZE it to learn about it, and they why of its importance.

Do you have it memorized? I don't. And I could still tell you about it.

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The vast vast majority of us have not memorized the US constitution, yet, we understand the principle of it without having to memorize it.

Really, there is no point in memorizing poems and texts. Study sure, memorize, not necessary.

Are you sure about that?

well, some people do, but do you really think that those who don't understand the principles of the Constitution would better understand it if they memorized it?

Anyone can memorize words strung together; it doesn't mean they understand what those words mean.

Analyzing the text is definitely worthwhile, but there's really no point in memorizing it. You don't need to memorize it to understand the basic principles of the text.

Other than a parlor trick, nobody, including constitutional scholars, is memorizing the whole constitution.

right, and yet, many of us know the principles of it without having ever memorized it.

What do you think is gained by memorizing the 18th amendment? Does being able to rattle off the third amendment give you a deeper knowledge of con law?

NP.

Yes I do. The third amendment is pretty basic and has been litigated only once I believe so once you memorize the text and learn what it means to quarter soldiers you’ve got the basics of one piece of constitutional law! And I knew what the third amendment was but I just looked up the text and I had forgotten that the constitution forbids forced quartering even in times of war unless it’s “prescribed by law.” So somebody who had it memorized would know better than I did that the founding fathers were really, really against government imposition.

I'm not a lawyer, but I can memorize whatever amendment, but if I don't understand what I'm memorizing, it's pointless.

Conversely, I can study the amendment without memorizing it and have a good grasp of what that amendment means.

Memorizing text is not necessary to understand the principles of the text. The time and resource would be better spend for the student to analyze text than just memorizing it, which can be quite time consuming.

Last year my kid in FCPS memorized and recited poems in their 7th grade English class. So did my kids 3 and 5 years before that. It's not that unusual. It was fine. I think a touch of memorization is not a bad thing. I don't think any of the kids still remembers their poems though. A line here or there.

For the 13,14,15 amendments they did close analysis, looked at primary documents at the time about the amendments, and had to find a contemporary article that addressed one and compare them. In 7th grade in FCPS. I think that's far better.

Anonymous wrote:Kids can do this in theater or speech class. Not sure it makes sense to prioritize this in English class when writing takes so much time to teach well and IMO is worthy of more effort.

Oh, but some school systems don't emphasize written expression either. Too difficult, along with memorization.

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn’t want my kids wasting time memorizing something like the Gettysburg address. Very pointless. In addition, some kids have issues with memorization. And can you imagine the teacher and students having to listen to 28 kids recite the Gettysburg address?!

Yes--what is the point of learning the words of one of our greatest Presidents? What is the point of learning how and where he wrote it? What is the point of knowing why he wrote it? What is the point of learning the history of what happened at Gettysburg?

Are you being deliberately obtuse? You need not MEMORIZE it to learn about it, and they why of its importance.

Do you have it memorized? I don't. And I could still tell you about it.

+1

The vast vast majority of us have not memorized the US constitution, yet, we understand the principle of it without having to memorize it.

Really, there is no point in memorizing poems and texts. Study sure, memorize, not necessary.

Are you sure about that?

well, some people do, but do you really think that those who don't understand the principles of the Constitution would better understand it if they memorized it?

Anyone can memorize words strung together; it doesn't mean they understand what those words mean.

Analyzing the text is definitely worthwhile, but there's really no point in memorizing it. You don't need to memorize it to understand the basic principles of the text.

Other than a parlor trick, nobody, including constitutional scholars, is memorizing the whole constitution.

right, and yet, many of us know the principles of it without having ever memorized it.

What do you think is gained by memorizing the 18th amendment? Does being able to rattle off the third amendment give you a deeper knowledge of con law?

NP.

Yes I do. The third amendment is pretty basic and has been litigated only once I believe so once you memorize the text and learn what it means to quarter soldiers you’ve got the basics of one piece of constitutional law! And I knew what the third amendment was but I just looked up the text and I had forgotten that the constitution forbids forced quartering even in times of war unless it’s “prescribed by law.” So somebody who had it memorized would know better than I did that the founding fathers were really, really against government imposition.

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Anonymous wrote:I wouldn’t want my kids wasting time memorizing something like the Gettysburg address. Very pointless. In addition, some kids have issues with memorization. And can you imagine the teacher and students having to listen to 28 kids recite the Gettysburg address?!

Yes--what is the point of learning the words of one of our greatest Presidents? What is the point of learning how and where he wrote it? What is the point of knowing why he wrote it? What is the point of learning the history of what happened at Gettysburg?

Are you being deliberately obtuse? You need not MEMORIZE it to learn about it, and they why of its importance.

Do you have it memorized? I don't. And I could still tell you about it.

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The vast vast majority of us have not memorized the US constitution, yet, we understand the principle of it without having to memorize it.

Really, there is no point in memorizing poems and texts. Study sure, memorize, not necessary.

Are you sure about that?

well, some people do, but do you really think that those who don't understand the principles of the Constitution would better understand it if they memorized it?

Anyone can memorize words strung together; it doesn't mean they understand what those words mean.

Analyzing the text is definitely worthwhile, but there's really no point in memorizing it. You don't need to memorize it to understand the basic principles of the text.

Other than a parlor trick, nobody, including constitutional scholars, is memorizing the whole constitution.

right, and yet, many of us know the principles of it without having ever memorized it.

What do you think is gained by memorizing the 18th amendment? Does being able to rattle off the third amendment give you a deeper knowledge of con law?