Anonymous wrote:This year an Asian-American boy who was a USAMO camper was rejected by not only MIT but also CMU. Most DCUMs don’t know what USAMO camp is. It’s a pool of 250-300 best math students in the US competing for a spot on the USA Math Olympic Team. There are only 6 students on the national team. Then they compete against other countries in the Intl Math Olympiad. In the past, making USAMO cam was a guaranteed ticket to MIT. Not anymore. Especially if you are an Asian boy.

Anonymous wrote:Feel bad for Georgia Tech

Sounds like they’re taking on a headache of a student. There are a gazillion kids with high scores. It gets your app read. That’s it

But the PRC kids are something else. And then to sue?

Might have to sell a Lambo or something

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Anonymous wrote:Huge cultural chasm here. America does not have the same testing traditions you find in just about every other country in the world. Americans believe in never quitting more than they believe in winning. That's why footbalk teams that lose hard fought games get celebrated almost as though they won.

The difference is every other country in the world has clear rule and transparency.

Another difference is that America rewards persistence. Many other countries give you just one chance to measure up in life. Not so in the USA.

Test measures persistence. It's for 12 years of persistent education
Also they do reward persistence with sort of GPA together with Test

I don't care if you do GPA only Test only GPA + Test, GPA + Test + whatever.

The important thing is clear rule and transparency.

the only thing you are asking for is how much was spent on making sure those scores were achieved. that's it. and not an amount, a percentage of income. if a 400k family spends 40k and an 80k family spends 8k its the same type of leg up, it is.
I am so tired of test prep being a replacement for intelligence and capability.

Oh geez. Some people just do well without expensive test prep. My brother and I both scored in the top 1 percent and were national merit scholar finalists and neither of us took a class. We did buy practice books and did a bunch of practice problems. Yes we are Asian (South Asian).

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Anonymous wrote:Huge cultural chasm here. America does not have the same testing traditions you find in just about every other country in the world. Americans believe in never quitting more than they believe in winning. That's why footbalk teams that lose hard fought games get celebrated almost as though they won.

The difference is every other country in the world has clear rule and transparency.

Another difference is that America rewards persistence. Many other countries give you just one chance to measure up in life. Not so in the USA.

Test measures persistence. It's for 12 years of persistent education
Also they do reward persistence with sort of GPA together with Test

I don't care if you do GPA only Test only GPA + Test, GPA + Test + whatever.

The important thing is clear rule and transparency.

the only thing you are asking for is how much was spent on making sure those scores were achieved. that's it. and not an amount, a percentage of income. if a 400k family spends 40k and an 80k family spends 8k its the same type of leg up, it is.
I am so tired of test prep being a replacement for intelligence and capability.

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Anonymous wrote:Huge cultural chasm here. America does not have the same testing traditions you find in just about every other country in the world. Americans believe in never quitting more than they believe in winning. That's why footbalk teams that lose hard fought games get celebrated almost as though they won.

The difference is every other country in the world has clear rule and transparency.

Another difference is that America rewards persistence. Many other countries give you just one chance to measure up in life. Not so in the USA.

Test measures persistence. It's for 12 years of persistent education
Also they do reward persistence with sort of GPA together with Test

I don't care if you do GPA only Test only GPA + Test, GPA + Test + whatever.

The important thing is clear rule and transparency.

the only thing you are asking for is how much was spent on making sure those scores were achieved. that's it. and not an amount, a percentage of income. if a 400k family spends 40k and an 80k family spends 8k its the same type of leg up, it is.
I am so tired of test prep being a replacement for intelligence and capability.

Same for GPA, ECs, Essay, etc.
I think test score is at least most objective and fair, so that disadvantaged intelligent and capable students get chance to compete.

Standardized testing has racist origins in the U S (and was used to justify segregation in the military and schools)., is culturally biased ( "pre test" questions that were answered correctly by most blacks were thrown out), and today is more a reflection of household income , test prep, and superscoriing.

Not even close to objective.

Most of the 1,900 colleges that are now test optional will remain after the AA ruling.

Good.

Yea math is very subjective and racist.

The current test blind/race blind school Berkeley has 3.4% Blacks.

Good?

Sorry Asian also score highest in ECs, Leadership, Interview, etc. etc. as revealed in Harvard case.

Test is still the most fair and objective for all students.

A large reason why there are only 3.4% blacks at Berkeley has to do with the fact that those admitted have options to go elsewhere. My black DC who didn't get admitted got into HYP and gladly will be going there. Being one of only 10 blacks in a class of thousands obviously wouldn't be an attractive option either. Most people don't like being the only "one" anywhere.

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Anonymous wrote:Huge cultural chasm here. America does not have the same testing traditions you find in just about every other country in the world. Americans believe in never quitting more than they believe in winning. That's why footbalk teams that lose hard fought games get celebrated almost as though they won.

The difference is every other country in the world has clear rule and transparency.

Another difference is that America rewards persistence. Many other countries give you just one chance to measure up in life. Not so in the USA.

Test measures persistence. It's for 12 years of persistent education
Also they do reward persistence with sort of GPA together with Test

I don't care if you do GPA only Test only GPA + Test, GPA + Test + whatever.

The important thing is clear rule and transparency.

the only thing you are asking for is how much was spent on making sure those scores were achieved. that's it. and not an amount, a percentage of income. if a 400k family spends 40k and an 80k family spends 8k its the same type of leg up, it is.
I am so tired of test prep being a replacement for intelligence and capability.

Same for GPA, ECs, Essay, etc.
I think test score is at least most objective and fair, so that disadvantaged intelligent and capable students get chance to compete.

Standardized testing has racist origins in the U S (and was used to justify segregation in the military and schools)., is culturally biased ( "pre test" questions that were answered correctly by most blacks were thrown out), and today is more a reflection of household income , test prep, and superscoriing.

Not even close to objective.

Most of the 1,900 colleges that are now test optional will remain after the AA ruling.

Good.

Yea math is very subjective and racist.

The current test blind/race blind school Berkeley has 3.4% Blacks.

Good?

Sorry Asian also score highest in ECs, Leadership, Interview, etc. etc. as revealed in Harvard case.

Test is still the most fair and objective for all students.

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Anonymous wrote:Huge cultural chasm here. America does not have the same testing traditions you find in just about every other country in the world. Americans believe in never quitting more than they believe in winning. That's why footbalk teams that lose hard fought games get celebrated almost as though they won.

The difference is every other country in the world has clear rule and transparency.

Another difference is that America rewards persistence. Many other countries give you just one chance to measure up in life. Not so in the USA.

Test measures persistence. It's for 12 years of persistent education
Also they do reward persistence with sort of GPA together with Test

I don't care if you do GPA only Test only GPA + Test, GPA + Test + whatever.

The important thing is clear rule and transparency.

the only thing you are asking for is how much was spent on making sure those scores were achieved. that's it. and not an amount, a percentage of income. if a 400k family spends 40k and an 80k family spends 8k its the same type of leg up, it is.
I am so tired of test prep being a replacement for intelligence and capability.

Same for GPA, ECs, Essay, etc.
I think test score is at least most objective and fair, so that disadvantaged intelligent and capable students get chance to compete.

Standardized testing has racist origins in the U S (and was used to justify segregation in the military and schools)., is culturally biased ( "pre test" questions that were answered correctly by most blacks were thrown out), and today is more a reflection of household income , test prep, and superscoriing.

Not even close to objective.

Most of the 1,900 colleges that are now test optional will remain after the AA ruling.

Good.

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Anonymous wrote:Such a delusional collection of responses.

Grow up and at least admit the reality smacking you in the face.

Any black student, Latino/Latina student, or Native American student within a football field of a 1590 SAT score would receive full tuition offers from every elite school in the country. That is a fact.

You can think the disparity in standards is good policy, or morally or historically appropriate, whatever. But let’s at least acknowledge reality.

Some schools are test blind now.

They do not takes scores into account.

Your accept the reality of that fact.

Yes. Some schools went test blind in a frantic effort to somehow promote underachieving, less capable blacks and Hispanics without flagrantly violating the Constitution.

What’s your point? All I asked was that we acknowledge the reality: less capable, lower achieving POC are subject to drastically lower standards than Asians and whites.

I frankly don’t care very much. I went to elite schools, I’m rich, and my kids will check both of those boxes as well. What I can’t stand is the incessant, utterly transparent refusal to acknowledge obvious facts. If you need to lie about basic reality, I tend to think everything else you’re peddling is complete BS.

You don’t care cause you weee connected bubba

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Anonymous wrote:Such a delusional collection of responses.

Grow up and at least admit the reality smacking you in the face.

Any black student, Latino/Latina student, or Native American student within a football field of a 1590 SAT score would receive full tuition offers from every elite school in the country. That is a fact.

You can think the disparity in standards is good policy, or morally or historically appropriate, whatever. But let’s at least acknowledge reality.

Some schools are test blind now.

They do not takes scores into account.

Your accept the reality of that fact.

Yes. Some schools went test blind in a frantic effort to somehow promote underachieving, less capable blacks and Hispanics without flagrantly violating the Constitution.

What’s your point? All I asked was that we acknowledge the reality: less capable, lower achieving POC are subject to drastically lower standards than Asians and whites.

I frankly don’t care very much. I went to elite schools, I’m rich, and my kids will check both of those boxes as well. What I can’t stand is the incessant, utterly transparent refusal to acknowledge obvious facts. If you need to lie about basic reality, I tend to think everything else you’re peddling is complete BS.

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Anonymous wrote:Such a delusional collection of responses.

Grow up and at least admit the reality smacking you in the face.

Any black student, Latino/Latina student, or Native American student within a football field of a 1590 SAT score would receive full tuition offers from every elite school in the country. That is a fact.

You can think the disparity in standards is good policy, or morally or historically appropriate, whatever. But let’s at least acknowledge reality.

Some schools are test blind now.

They do not takes scores into account.

Your accept the reality of that fact.

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Anonymous wrote:Race has been an issue in the US for hundreds of years.

For those of you who moved here for the quality of education, but are now trying to make the US more like the system you left behind....pick your poison.

Discrimination has been an issue in the US for hundreds of years.

If you like discriminating minorities, China is a good pick for you as they discriminate minorities like Uyghurs or Tibetans

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Anonymous wrote:Discrimination against Asians is real. It’s not just about getting high SAT scores or GPA. SAT is no joke, despite what people say. Each year only about 300 students out of 2 million nationwide get the perfect 1600.

Yes, and that is perfectly Ok.

US Supreme Court would disagree with you

Anonymous wrote:Race has been an issue in the US for hundreds of years.

For those of you who moved here for the quality of education, but are now trying to make the US more like the system you left behind....pick your poison.