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Anonymous
06/08/2023 08:26
Subject: Meta analysis of Covid Lockdowns
Anonymous wrote:We don't need a meta analysis to demonstrate the whole thing was a cock up. A wrecking ball orchestrated by people who faced no consequences. Its a good thing their TSP accounts didn't tank. Maybe we should confiscate those accounts and distribute them to people who have no retirement savings because they were wiped out by insane policies that completely destroyed their ability to make a living for several months in a row.
The consequences would be that the people who had a hand in making those policies could be voted out.
Lockdown policies were largely controlled at the state/local level. If the constituents of that locality did not like those policies, then the local politician would've been voted out.
Anonymous
06/08/2023 07:09
Subject: Meta analysis of Covid Lockdowns
We don't need a meta analysis to demonstrate the whole thing was a cock up. A wrecking ball orchestrated by people who faced no consequences. Its a good thing their TSP accounts didn't tank. Maybe we should confiscate those accounts and distribute them to people who have no retirement savings because they were wiped out by insane policies that completely destroyed their ability to make a living for several months in a row.
Anonymous
06/07/2023 20:53
Subject: Meta analysis of Covid Lockdowns
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can we not? Please? Covid is done, get over it. I'm sick of you people - who never did anything to protect others during the pandemic anyway - complaining about something that happened three years ago.
This. Sorry your ski trip in 2020 got canceled or whatever. Cope.
I went on my ski trip and had a wonderful time.
It's hard for lockdowns to work when people ignore them. You don't get to flout the rules and then complain that they were ineffective
There were no rules preventing people from traveling to ski in another state, if the ski resorts were open.
In any event, I ignored the rules as much as I could because I knew they didn't, and couldn't, work. They went against all prior pandemic planning.
Same. Felt bad friends didn’t know any better and went along with the restrictions. We enjoyed life to the extent possible.
One of the (few) good things about living in the US during the pandemic versus a country like France, was our lack of national restrictions. To avoid the crazy restrictions and rules in a place like DC, we spent a lot of time in places like Florida and Georgia. I'm thankful we live in a country where the Federal government couldn't dictate to everyone how to respond to covid, and that can't forbid travel.
Same here. I have family in Jordan and Dubai. It was out of control there.
Though, I will say that even here in the US, the federal government really did try to forbid travel, and other things. Luckily it was somewhat kept in check.
I have relatives in Canada, and certain provinces would ban people from other provinces from traveling there. Thankfully, Governors and Mayors don't have that power here. And the Federal government doesn't have that power, either. Americans are free to move about this country.
And it’s why we had a higher death rate in this country than those that applied real restrictions. American prioritize #freedumb over health and common good.
Freedom isn’t free.
It’s incredibly sad to make fun of freedom with your #freedumb. What comes to mind are the millions of Americans who lost their lives to protect your freedom, the millions of immigrants who came here in the search for freedom and prosperity, the many civil liberties you have as an American (even compared to Western Europeans!). You won’t be making fun of freedom if you ever lose it.
FFS stop with the people died for your freedom. Most countries have freedom. In fact, a dozen or more have more freedom than the USA. And most of those are in Western Europe.
This trope that Americans are the only ones with freedom is stupid and anyone who repeats it in ironically reveals themselves to be not a serious thinker.
Well Americans certainly had more freedom during the pandemic! Germans just had to German.
Anonymous
06/07/2023 20:52
Subject: Meta analysis of Covid Lockdowns
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Here's the normie take which 80% of Americans not on DCUM, Twitter, Reddit, 8Chan, or Tumblr think:
1. The lockdowns were a good idea at the time and saved lives initially by flattening the curve, but they went on too long
2. Masks probably were a good idea for a few months, but then became a social problem
3. Warp Speed was a great success that saved a lot of lives, and the vaccines are safe and effective
4. Shutting down schools after spring 2020 was a huge mistake and led to massive learning loss and social problems, which will plague a generation
5. Initially well intentioned and positive programs (eviction freezes, stimmy, giveaways to businesses) went on too long and were too large and caused the current inflation mess
6. There was an information crisis created from both sides (censorship from left and govt, misinformation and pseudoscience from right) that persists and is very bad for democracy
Given that both sides hate the above, it's probably mostly accurate.
This one especially. Any potential benefits that were gained by mask mandates were greatly overshadowed by the alienation and polarization they created. Outdoor mask mandates and masking kids, for examples.
I think if mask mandates were limited to places like medical settings, where people went to get essential services, they wouldn't have been so controversial. But, having mandates in places where people went voluntarily, such as restaurants, really pissed off a lot of people.
+1 requiring 2 year olds in daycare to mask for 8+ hours per day defies all logic (and was basically unique to the USA and a handful of Asian countries). It was pretty evident from day one that forcing 2 year olds to wear a (often sopping wet from drool) mask (in between pulling it down to swap masks with classmates and shove shared toys in their mouth) does absolutely 0 at best to “stop the spread” and more likely exacerbated the germ flow. A bunch of current kindergarteners now have speech delays so that the adults responsible for them could demonstrate their political position.
+10000000000
Anonymous
06/07/2023 20:13
Subject: Meta analysis of Covid Lockdowns
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can we not? Please? Covid is done, get over it. I'm sick of you people - who never did anything to protect others during the pandemic anyway - complaining about something that happened three years ago.
This. Sorry your ski trip in 2020 got canceled or whatever. Cope.
I went on my ski trip and had a wonderful time.
It's hard for lockdowns to work when people ignore them. You don't get to flout the rules and then complain that they were ineffective
There were no rules preventing people from traveling to ski in another state, if the ski resorts were open.
In any event, I ignored the rules as much as I could because I knew they didn't, and couldn't, work. They went against all prior pandemic planning.
Same. Felt bad friends didn’t know any better and went along with the restrictions. We enjoyed life to the extent possible.
One of the (few) good things about living in the US during the pandemic versus a country like France, was our lack of national restrictions. To avoid the crazy restrictions and rules in a place like DC, we spent a lot of time in places like Florida and Georgia. I'm thankful we live in a country where the Federal government couldn't dictate to everyone how to respond to covid, and that can't forbid travel.
Same here. I have family in Jordan and Dubai. It was out of control there.
Though, I will say that even here in the US, the federal government really did try to forbid travel, and other things. Luckily it was somewhat kept in check.
I have relatives in Canada, and certain provinces would ban people from other provinces from traveling there. Thankfully, Governors and Mayors don't have that power here. And the Federal government doesn't have that power, either. Americans are free to move about this country.
And it’s why we had a higher death rate in this country than those that applied real restrictions. American prioritize #freedumb over health and common good.
Except, your claim is false.
Contrast Sweden with Spain.
Contrast FL with NY, NJ, IL, PA...
And do so while controlling by % of the population over 60, the main risk factor.
dp.. the architect of the Swedish response to covid wished he had done things differently and placed more restrictions to save lives.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/03/architect-of-sweden-coronavirus-strategy-admits-too-many-died-anders-tegnell
Sweden’s chief epidemiologist and the architect of its light-touch approach to the coronavirus has acknowledged that the country has had too many deaths from Covid-19 and should have done more to curb the spread of the virus.
Anders Tegnell, who has previously criticised other countries’ strict lockdowns as not sustainable in the long run, told Swedish Radio on Wednesday that there was “quite obviously a potential for improvement in what we have done” in Sweden.
Asked whether too many people in Sweden had died, he replied: “Yes, absolutely,” adding that the country would “have to consider in the future whether there was a way of preventing” such a high toll.
Also, it's not fair to compare the death rate between NY and FL since NY was hit first, and doctors and scientists knew very little regarding how to deal with covid. So, there were way more deaths. Not to mention that covid hit during the colder season and NYC is a lot more dense than most of FL.
FL got hit later when they knew more and there were more tools for them to use against covid. Even with that, they had a lot of deaths. Also, let's remember that FL did not report accurately. "If you don't report, the numbers don't look so bad".
Lol, that article on Sweden is from June 2020. Find something more recent.
Keep trying to disprove the statistics ….
Statistics is only accurate if the numbers are reported. Places like FL refused to report numbers.
"find something more recent" -- you have the gift of hindsight. Those who made decisions didn't.
Are you claiming that Florida somehow hid a bunch of bodies in a coverup?
That's just wishful thinking by liberals.
I'm claiming that FL did not report accurate numbers. But, if you read through my post, I did state that FL was not as hard hit as NY for a variety of reasons. Maybe read through the thread to understand context better.
Anonymous
06/07/2023 20:11
Subject: Meta analysis of Covid Lockdowns
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can we not? Please? Covid is done, get over it. I'm sick of you people - who never did anything to protect others during the pandemic anyway - complaining about something that happened three years ago.
This. Sorry your ski trip in 2020 got canceled or whatever. Cope.
I went on my ski trip and had a wonderful time.
It's hard for lockdowns to work when people ignore them. You don't get to flout the rules and then complain that they were ineffective
There were no rules preventing people from traveling to ski in another state, if the ski resorts were open.
In any event, I ignored the rules as much as I could because I knew they didn't, and couldn't, work. They went against all prior pandemic planning.
Same. Felt bad friends didn’t know any better and went along with the restrictions. We enjoyed life to the extent possible.
One of the (few) good things about living in the US during the pandemic versus a country like France, was our lack of national restrictions. To avoid the crazy restrictions and rules in a place like DC, we spent a lot of time in places like Florida and Georgia. I'm thankful we live in a country where the Federal government couldn't dictate to everyone how to respond to covid, and that can't forbid travel.
Same here. I have family in Jordan and Dubai. It was out of control there.
Though, I will say that even here in the US, the federal government really did try to forbid travel, and other things. Luckily it was somewhat kept in check.
I have relatives in Canada, and certain provinces would ban people from other provinces from traveling there. Thankfully, Governors and Mayors don't have that power here. And the Federal government doesn't have that power, either. Americans are free to move about this country.
And it’s why we had a higher death rate in this country than those that applied real restrictions. American prioritize #freedumb over health and common good.
Except, your claim is false.
Contrast Sweden with Spain.
Contrast FL with NY, NJ, IL, PA...
And do so while controlling by % of the population over 60, the main risk factor.
dp.. the architect of the Swedish response to covid wished he had done things differently and placed more restrictions to save lives.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/03/architect-of-sweden-coronavirus-strategy-admits-too-many-died-anders-tegnell
Sweden’s chief epidemiologist and the architect of its light-touch approach to the coronavirus has acknowledged that the country has had too many deaths from Covid-19 and should have done more to curb the spread of the virus.
Anders Tegnell, who has previously criticised other countries’ strict lockdowns as not sustainable in the long run, told Swedish Radio on Wednesday that there was “quite obviously a potential for improvement in what we have done” in Sweden.
Asked whether too many people in Sweden had died, he replied: “Yes, absolutely,” adding that the country would “have to consider in the future whether there was a way of preventing” such a high toll.
Also, it's not fair to compare the death rate between NY and FL since NY was hit first, and doctors and scientists knew very little regarding how to deal with covid. So, there were way more deaths. Not to mention that covid hit during the colder season and NYC is a lot more dense than most of FL.
FL got hit later when they knew more and there were more tools for them to use against covid. Even with that, they had a lot of deaths. Also, let's remember that FL did not report accurately. "If you don't report, the numbers don't look so bad".
Lol, that article on Sweden is from June 2020. Find something more recent.
Keep trying to disprove the statistics ….
Statistics is only accurate if the numbers are reported. Places like FL refused to report numbers.
"find something more recent" -- you have the gift of hindsight. Those who made decisions didn't.
That viewpoint basically exempts our government from all responsibilities for their actions at the most important junctures. Not to mention the fact that US policies (esp for kids) outlasted any tenable sense of emergency where the “fog of war” might be an excuse for a bad decision.
I think they could've opened the schools earlier, but the view does not "exempt" the government from anything. They have hopefully learned from it and have a better plan in place for the next pandemic. People were asleep at the wheel, and actually Trump's administration disbanded the team that dealt with pandemics.
Individuals only care about individuals, whereas the government cares about the entire country. I think it was a hard call, and sure, in hindsight, they could've and should've responded better, but again, we all have the gift of hindsight and Monday morning quarterbacking. If you were in the position to make the tough decisions, you would have been heavily criticized no matter what decision you made. If you made the decision to just keep behaving like there was no pandemic, and your loved one died from covid, you would be singing a different tune about it.
Anonymous
06/07/2023 19:05
Subject: Meta analysis of Covid Lockdowns
Anonymous wrote:1 Not peer-reviewed
2. IEA is one of the most notorious "free market" dark money funded orgs out there
3. Don't you have brunch plans with Lucy McBride or Leana Wen or Jay Bhattacharya or Tracy Hoeg?
Yep. Too bad the lululemon wearing white women suburban dems that Biden is courting agree with it.