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Anonymous wrote:Increasing pay for teachers won’t solve any problems. They are already paid above the market rate when benefits are considered. The problems most teachers face have to do with work load and managing behaviors. More money might make teachers temporarily happy but won’t add any hours to the day. Nothing will improve. Public schools need to fix the way they do schooling or the system needs a complete overhaul. Maybe software learning with teacher support is the way to go. Or perhaps video learning like Khan Academy is the future.

Speaking as a teacher, more money would absolutely solve many of my problems. Seriously. You would never hear a complaint from me again if I was compensated in a manner comparable to others with my level of education and experience. Forget that, I would stop complaining if you just decreased the gap to $0.80 for every dollar of similarly educated professionals.

So all of those papers that you didn’t have time to grade before would not be fully graded with useful comments? And all of those behaviors interrupting learning would now disappear? And all the scaffolding and differentiations you’d now be able to manage? Doesn’t sound very honest to me.

And how much exactly do you think someone with a B.A. degree ought to make? Do you think you should be paid as much as a doctor or engineer just because there’s a shortage? There’s a shortage of cashiers and store employees too. Should we all get paid 6 figure salaries? You know, like communism?

I am not the PP, but I have posted on this thread.

Higher pay would show that we are respected as professionals, but what I really want is time.

And degrees? I’m closing in on my 2nd advanced degree right now. Almost all of my colleagues have masters degrees.

So again, a Master’s in the Arts is not considered a rigorous degree. This is evidenced by how easy it is for many of your reported colleagues to obtain multiple. A B.S. or B.E. are both generally considered more rigorous than an M.A. In a capitalistic society, pay is based on specialization of the field and difficulty in obtaining the specialized skills (degree). 80,000+ benefits for an elementary teacher is considered well paid by the majority of society.

But you haven’t answered, how much do you think would be fair pay?

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Anonymous wrote:My private sector company is also giving 3%.

I’m sure your salaries are much higher to begin with.

My child's teacher makes $80k+

Ok. Unless they are married, 80,000 doesn’t get you much in this area. Salaries should match COL.

Well, $80,000 is really for working only 9 months of the year once you take out all those endless summer and winter vacations. So $80k/9*12 = $106,666 on an annualized basis. Plus pension plus lavish benefits.

Where do these teachers work? I want endless summer and winter vacations!

I work 10 months full of 60 hour weeks, and then I’m furloughed for two months.

See, it's this crappy attitude on the part of teachers that has burned a lot of goodwill with parents and the public. The endless summer vacations are obviously a HUGE benefit of your job, and yet you frame it in the most miserable way possible by calling it furlough.

Also many other jobs require 12 months of work full of 60 hour weeks if not more. The truly unique thing about teachers compared to other professions is their seemingly endless ability to whine and think that only they have it hard.

LOL read DC MUM comments and you will begin to see what has burned good will of hard working teachers. We no longer care what you know it all parents think. Teacher and admin are exhausted by your endless complaints and critiques and don't get us started on your attitude about schools calling out your child's bad behavior-"not my child they are perfect it's the schools fault" get over yourself and go be a parent.

if teaching stinks so badly, LEAVE. No one has you handcuffed to this job.

Anonymous wrote:I do a lot of hiring and after the experience I have had with special ed in FCPS- I won't hire a teacher. They willfully (or at a minimum lie to my face) refuse to learn about dyslexia. They do everything they can to not give services to my two kids. They can't run a meeting. They never use a calendar invite to schedule a meeting. They constantly complain about how hard they have it.

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Anonymous wrote:Increasing pay for teachers won’t solve any problems. They are already paid above the market rate when benefits are considered. The problems most teachers face have to do with work load and managing behaviors. More money might make teachers temporarily happy but won’t add any hours to the day. Nothing will improve. Public schools need to fix the way they do schooling or the system needs a complete overhaul. Maybe software learning with teacher support is the way to go. Or perhaps video learning like Khan Academy is the future.

Speaking as a teacher, more money would absolutely solve many of my problems. Seriously. You would never hear a complaint from me again if I was compensated in a manner comparable to others with my level of education and experience. Forget that, I would stop complaining if you just decreased the gap to $0.80 for every dollar of similarly educated professionals.

So all of those papers that you didn’t have time to grade before would not be fully graded with useful comments? And all of those behaviors interrupting learning would now disappear? And all the scaffolding and differentiations you’d now be able to manage? Doesn’t sound very honest to me.

And how much exactly do you think someone with a B.A. degree ought to make? Do you think you should be paid as much as a doctor or engineer just because there’s a shortage? There’s a shortage of cashiers and store employees too. Should we all get paid 6 figure salaries? You know, like communism?

I am not the PP, but I have posted on this thread.

Higher pay would show that we are respected as professionals, but what I really want is time.

And degrees? I’m closing in on my 2nd advanced degree right now. Almost all of my colleagues have masters degrees.

So again, a Master’s in the Arts is not considered a rigorous degree. This is evidenced by how easy it is for many of your reported colleagues to obtain multiple. A B.S. or B.E. are both generally considered more rigorous than an M.A. In a capitalistic society, pay is based on specialization of the field and difficulty in obtaining the specialized skills (degree). 80,000+ benefits for an elementary teacher is considered well paid by the majority of society.

But you haven’t answered, how much do you think would be fair pay?

Hmmm…
I have specialized content knowledge (2 masters… neither in Education), and the ability to teach AP/IB level content. I can also:
- Design presentations that communicate challenging info in an easily-consumable format
- Deliver information in ways that people can interpret and recall (and taken further: analyze)
- Effectively manage 150 people a day, several of whom can be resistant and even combative
- Keep on top of paperwork that averages 750 pages a week (minimum)
- Effectively collaborate with colleagues even though we have no actual collaboration time built into our work day
- Track data for 150 students (weekly), identifying trends and reacting appropriately

So what am I worth? Considering the end goal of my job is to make a positive impact on society by sending out strong communicate and critical thinkers, I’m pretty comfortable saying I’m worth we’ll over twice what I’m paid.

I’m watching my coworkers leave. They are making twice the pay in other professions and nobody (yet) has had difficulty getting hired.

So, society will need to start respecting teachers for the challenging and skills-heavy profession it is. You won’t keep us in this field unless you do.

Don't you have a union to argue your worth? Why are you trying to convince us of your worth?

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Anonymous wrote:Increasing pay for teachers won’t solve any problems. They are already paid above the market rate when benefits are considered. The problems most teachers face have to do with work load and managing behaviors. More money might make teachers temporarily happy but won’t add any hours to the day. Nothing will improve. Public schools need to fix the way they do schooling or the system needs a complete overhaul. Maybe software learning with teacher support is the way to go. Or perhaps video learning like Khan Academy is the future.

Speaking as a teacher, more money would absolutely solve many of my problems. Seriously. You would never hear a complaint from me again if I was compensated in a manner comparable to others with my level of education and experience. Forget that, I would stop complaining if you just decreased the gap to $0.80 for every dollar of similarly educated professionals.

So all of those papers that you didn’t have time to grade before would not be fully graded with useful comments? And all of those behaviors interrupting learning would now disappear? And all the scaffolding and differentiations you’d now be able to manage? Doesn’t sound very honest to me.

And how much exactly do you think someone with a B.A. degree ought to make? Do you think you should be paid as much as a doctor or engineer just because there’s a shortage? There’s a shortage of cashiers and store employees too. Should we all get paid 6 figure salaries? You know, like communism?

I am not the PP, but I have posted on this thread.

Higher pay would show that we are respected as professionals, but what I really want is time.

And degrees? I’m closing in on my 2nd advanced degree right now. Almost all of my colleagues have masters degrees.

So again, a Master’s in the Arts is not considered a rigorous degree. This is evidenced by how easy it is for many of your reported colleagues to obtain multiple. A B.S. or B.E. are both generally considered more rigorous than an M.A. In a capitalistic society, pay is based on specialization of the field and difficulty in obtaining the specialized skills (degree). 80,000+ benefits for an elementary teacher is considered well paid by the majority of society.

But you haven’t answered, how much do you think would be fair pay?

Hmmm…
I have specialized content knowledge (2 masters… neither in Education), and the ability to teach AP/IB level content. I can also:
- Design presentations that communicate challenging info in an easily-consumable format
- Deliver information in ways that people can interpret and recall (and taken further: analyze)
- Effectively manage 150 people a day, several of whom can be resistant and even combative
- Keep on top of paperwork that averages 750 pages a week (minimum)
- Effectively collaborate with colleagues even though we have no actual collaboration time built into our work day
- Track data for 150 students (weekly), identifying trends and reacting appropriately

So what am I worth? Considering the end goal of my job is to make a positive impact on society by sending out strong communicate and critical thinkers, I’m pretty comfortable saying I’m worth we’ll over twice what I’m paid.

I’m watching my coworkers leave. They are making twice the pay in other professions and nobody (yet) has had difficulty getting hired.

So, society will need to start respecting teachers for the challenging and skills-heavy profession it is. You won’t keep us in this field unless you do.

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Anonymous wrote:Increasing pay for teachers won’t solve any problems. They are already paid above the market rate when benefits are considered. The problems most teachers face have to do with work load and managing behaviors. More money might make teachers temporarily happy but won’t add any hours to the day. Nothing will improve. Public schools need to fix the way they do schooling or the system needs a complete overhaul. Maybe software learning with teacher support is the way to go. Or perhaps video learning like Khan Academy is the future.

Speaking as a teacher, more money would absolutely solve many of my problems. Seriously. You would never hear a complaint from me again if I was compensated in a manner comparable to others with my level of education and experience. Forget that, I would stop complaining if you just decreased the gap to $0.80 for every dollar of similarly educated professionals.

So all of those papers that you didn’t have time to grade before would not be fully graded with useful comments? And all of those behaviors interrupting learning would now disappear? And all the scaffolding and differentiations you’d now be able to manage? Doesn’t sound very honest to me.

And how much exactly do you think someone with a B.A. degree ought to make? Do you think you should be paid as much as a doctor or engineer just because there’s a shortage? There’s a shortage of cashiers and store employees too. Should we all get paid 6 figure salaries? You know, like communism?

I am not the PP, but I have posted on this thread.

Higher pay would show that we are respected as professionals, but what I really want is time.

And degrees? I’m closing in on my 2nd advanced degree right now. Almost all of my colleagues have masters degrees.

So again, a Master’s in the Arts is not considered a rigorous degree. This is evidenced by how easy it is for many of your reported colleagues to obtain multiple. A B.S. or B.E. are both generally considered more rigorous than an M.A. In a capitalistic society, pay is based on specialization of the field and difficulty in obtaining the specialized skills (degree). 80,000+ benefits for an elementary teacher is considered well paid by the majority of society.

But you haven’t answered, how much do you think would be fair pay?

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I never considered the difference between a MA and BS in this way. I have a BS in Elementary Education. Are you saying I should get paid a bit more because my education degree was more rigorous than one from a MA program?

I doubt you have a B.S. in education. You have a B.A. in education because education is an art not a science.

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Anonymous wrote:Increasing pay for teachers won’t solve any problems. They are already paid above the market rate when benefits are considered. The problems most teachers face have to do with work load and managing behaviors. More money might make teachers temporarily happy but won’t add any hours to the day. Nothing will improve. Public schools need to fix the way they do schooling or the system needs a complete overhaul. Maybe software learning with teacher support is the way to go. Or perhaps video learning like Khan Academy is the future.

Speaking as a teacher, more money would absolutely solve many of my problems. Seriously. You would never hear a complaint from me again if I was compensated in a manner comparable to others with my level of education and experience. Forget that, I would stop complaining if you just decreased the gap to $0.80 for every dollar of similarly educated professionals.

So all of those papers that you didn’t have time to grade before would not be fully graded with useful comments? And all of those behaviors interrupting learning would now disappear? And all the scaffolding and differentiations you’d now be able to manage? Doesn’t sound very honest to me.

And how much exactly do you think someone with a B.A. degree ought to make? Do you think you should be paid as much as a doctor or engineer just because there’s a shortage? There’s a shortage of cashiers and store employees too. Should we all get paid 6 figure salaries? You know, like communism?

I am not the PP, but I have posted on this thread.

Higher pay would show that we are respected as professionals, but what I really want is time.

And degrees? I’m closing in on my 2nd advanced degree right now. Almost all of my colleagues have masters degrees.

So again, a Master’s in the Arts is not considered a rigorous degree. This is evidenced by how easy it is for many of your reported colleagues to obtain multiple. A B.S. or B.E. are both generally considered more rigorous than an M.A. In a capitalistic society, pay is based on specialization of the field and difficulty in obtaining the specialized skills (degree). 80,000+ benefits for an elementary teacher is considered well paid by the majority of society.

But you haven’t answered, how much do you think would be fair pay?

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Anonymous wrote:Increasing pay for teachers won’t solve any problems. They are already paid above the market rate when benefits are considered. The problems most teachers face have to do with work load and managing behaviors. More money might make teachers temporarily happy but won’t add any hours to the day. Nothing will improve. Public schools need to fix the way they do schooling or the system needs a complete overhaul. Maybe software learning with teacher support is the way to go. Or perhaps video learning like Khan Academy is the future.

Speaking as a teacher, more money would absolutely solve many of my problems. Seriously. You would never hear a complaint from me again if I was compensated in a manner comparable to others with my level of education and experience. Forget that, I would stop complaining if you just decreased the gap to $0.80 for every dollar of similarly educated professionals.

So all of those papers that you didn’t have time to grade before would not be fully graded with useful comments? And all of those behaviors interrupting learning would now disappear? And all the scaffolding and differentiations you’d now be able to manage? Doesn’t sound very honest to me.

And how much exactly do you think someone with a B.A. degree ought to make? Do you think you should be paid as much as a doctor or engineer just because there’s a shortage? There’s a shortage of cashiers and store employees too. Should we all get paid 6 figure salaries? You know, like communism?

I am not the PP, but I have posted on this thread.

Higher pay would show that we are respected as professionals, but what I really want is time.

And degrees? I’m closing in on my 2nd advanced degree right now. Almost all of my colleagues have masters degrees.

So again, a Master’s in the Arts is not considered a rigorous degree. This is evidenced by how easy it is for many of your reported colleagues to obtain multiple. A B.S. or B.E. are both generally considered more rigorous than an M.A. In a capitalistic society, pay is based on specialization of the field and difficulty in obtaining the specialized skills (degree). 80,000+ benefits for an elementary teacher is considered well paid by the majority of society.

But you haven’t answered, how much do you think would be fair pay?

DP
I never considered the difference between a MA and BS in this way. I have a BS in Elementary Education. Are you saying I should get paid a bit more because my education degree was more rigorous than one from a MA program?

I doubt you have a B.S. in education. You have a B.A. in education because education is an art not a science.

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Anonymous wrote:Increasing pay for teachers won’t solve any problems. They are already paid above the market rate when benefits are considered. The problems most teachers face have to do with work load and managing behaviors. More money might make teachers temporarily happy but won’t add any hours to the day. Nothing will improve. Public schools need to fix the way they do schooling or the system needs a complete overhaul. Maybe software learning with teacher support is the way to go. Or perhaps video learning like Khan Academy is the future.

Speaking as a teacher, more money would absolutely solve many of my problems. Seriously. You would never hear a complaint from me again if I was compensated in a manner comparable to others with my level of education and experience. Forget that, I would stop complaining if you just decreased the gap to $0.80 for every dollar of similarly educated professionals.

So all of those papers that you didn’t have time to grade before would not be fully graded with useful comments? And all of those behaviors interrupting learning would now disappear? And all the scaffolding and differentiations you’d now be able to manage? Doesn’t sound very honest to me.

And how much exactly do you think someone with a B.A. degree ought to make? Do you think you should be paid as much as a doctor or engineer just because there’s a shortage? There’s a shortage of cashiers and store employees too. Should we all get paid 6 figure salaries? You know, like communism?

I am not the PP, but I have posted on this thread.

Higher pay would show that we are respected as professionals, but what I really want is time.

And degrees? I’m closing in on my 2nd advanced degree right now. Almost all of my colleagues have masters degrees.

So again, a Master’s in the Arts is not considered a rigorous degree. This is evidenced by how easy it is for many of your reported colleagues to obtain multiple. A B.S. or B.E. are both generally considered more rigorous than an M.A. In a capitalistic society, pay is based on specialization of the field and difficulty in obtaining the specialized skills (degree). 80,000+ benefits for an elementary teacher is considered well paid by the majority of society.

But you haven’t answered, how much do you think would be fair pay?

DP
I never considered the difference between a MA and BS in this way. I have a BS in Elementary Education. Are you saying I should get paid a bit more because my education degree was more rigorous than one from a MA program?

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Anonymous wrote:Increasing pay for teachers won’t solve any problems. They are already paid above the market rate when benefits are considered. The problems most teachers face have to do with work load and managing behaviors. More money might make teachers temporarily happy but won’t add any hours to the day. Nothing will improve. Public schools need to fix the way they do schooling or the system needs a complete overhaul. Maybe software learning with teacher support is the way to go. Or perhaps video learning like Khan Academy is the future.

Speaking as a teacher, more money would absolutely solve many of my problems. Seriously. You would never hear a complaint from me again if I was compensated in a manner comparable to others with my level of education and experience. Forget that, I would stop complaining if you just decreased the gap to $0.80 for every dollar of similarly educated professionals.

So all of those papers that you didn’t have time to grade before would not be fully graded with useful comments? And all of those behaviors interrupting learning would now disappear? And all the scaffolding and differentiations you’d now be able to manage? Doesn’t sound very honest to me.

And how much exactly do you think someone with a B.A. degree ought to make? Do you think you should be paid as much as a doctor or engineer just because there’s a shortage? There’s a shortage of cashiers and store employees too. Should we all get paid 6 figure salaries? You know, like communism?

I am not the PP, but I have posted on this thread.

Higher pay would show that we are respected as professionals, but what I really want is time.

And degrees? I’m closing in on my 2nd advanced degree right now. Almost all of my colleagues have masters degrees.

So again, a Master’s in the Arts is not considered a rigorous degree. This is evidenced by how easy it is for many of your reported colleagues to obtain multiple. A B.S. or B.E. are both generally considered more rigorous than an M.A. In a capitalistic society, pay is based on specialization of the field and difficulty in obtaining the specialized skills (degree). 80,000+ benefits for an elementary teacher is considered well paid by the majority of society.

But you haven’t answered, how much do you think would be fair pay?

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Anonymous wrote:Increasing pay for teachers won’t solve any problems. They are already paid above the market rate when benefits are considered. The problems most teachers face have to do with work load and managing behaviors. More money might make teachers temporarily happy but won’t add any hours to the day. Nothing will improve. Public schools need to fix the way they do schooling or the system needs a complete overhaul. Maybe software learning with teacher support is the way to go. Or perhaps video learning like Khan Academy is the future.

Speaking as a teacher, more money would absolutely solve many of my problems. Seriously. You would never hear a complaint from me again if I was compensated in a manner comparable to others with my level of education and experience. Forget that, I would stop complaining if you just decreased the gap to $0.80 for every dollar of similarly educated professionals.

So all of those papers that you didn’t have time to grade before would not be fully graded with useful comments? And all of those behaviors interrupting learning would now disappear? And all the scaffolding and differentiations you’d now be able to manage? Doesn’t sound very honest to me.

And how much exactly do you think someone with a B.A. degree ought to make? Do you think you should be paid as much as a doctor or engineer just because there’s a shortage? There’s a shortage of cashiers and store employees too. Should we all get paid 6 figure salaries? You know, like communism?

I am not the PP, but I have posted on this thread.

Higher pay would show that we are respected as professionals, but what I really want is time.

And degrees? I’m closing in on my 2nd advanced degree right now. Almost all of my colleagues have masters degrees.