Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think it will vary. Some schools will be happy to just enroll the best students and other will drop aa in favor of economic diversity
You make it sound like wanting diversity is at odds with enrolling the best students. I find these assumptions to be suspect. Like the posters who define merit as whatever benefits them the most.
The way diversity is defined and implemented today, yes, it is absolutely at odds at enrolling the best students. There is such a huge skills gap between the average URM and non URM applicant, that there is a serious shortage of equivalently qualified URM applicants in the application pipeline. If a college insists on getting anything close to proportional representation despite this, then by definition they have to pick lower qualified URM students to fill their class. The only way to claim that diversity does not affect quality today, is to redefine the very meaning of the word merit to something nonsensical, like Harvard did by introducing spurious variables like the personality ratings into the mix.
Also in every country where diversity is actually present, it has led to destruction of social cohesion, social trust and increase in friction. The former Yugoslavia, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Myanmar being some examples) Diversity advocate have only recently recognized this because now they are insisting on "inclusion" as being another responsibility of the non URM pool. This is just code for non URM's having to walk on eggshells, so as not to trigger or piss off URM's on campus. It's a fool's errand. Human kind is tribal by nature and just like diversity brought strife all over the world, it is destroying America's campus environment today.
So what is your solution? Whine endlessly about it? Or have no diversity and every racial group sticks to themselves? It’s too late for that. This country is diverse and we’d better continue to figure out ways to get along and include everyone because diversity isn’t going anywhere.
Seems like AAs are the only group needing assistance. Look at the makeup of colleges in Texas. Unfortunately, AAs are still very much struggling in this country.
Maybe they should pick up a few tips from here about how and why certain immigrant communities succeed, instead of constantly whining about how pervasive systemic racism in America is? If America is that bad, how come all these newcomers are leaving native born blacks and whites in the dust? Simple. It's all about cultural capital, a term that's taboo in leftist circles
httphttps://youtu.be/-eMLAFV4cx8be/-eMLAFV4cx8
Yeah but none of them ever dealing with systematic oppression by the whites.
Because wait for it...... THERE IS NONE. Only lazy race huksters point to systemic racism as THE REASON, THEY ARE NOT MAKING PROGRESS. Because if America was systemically racist, you think Nigerian and Ghanaian immigrants would succeed here? Vietnamese refugees would succeed here? A person like Ilhan Omar would be in Congress?
You’re proving my point. Ilhan Omar’s father was a prominent senior officer in the Somali National Army before they immigrated. They were not at all “dirt poor.”
No you are embarrassing yourself. Ilhan Omar as a Muslim Black immigrants woman who got herself elected to Congress is indisputable proof that AMERICA IS NOT SYSTEMICALLY RACIST AND IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT CULTURAL CAPITAL ANYBODY CAN SUCCEED IN AMERICA. That's the point
Maybe stop yelling at everyone, sit down, and learn about what systemic racism actually is. If you don’t want to come across as an arrogant, ignorant a-hole.
Some idiots deserve to be yelled at. I actually took the time to read "White Fragility", and "SO you want to talk about race" just to make sure I wasn't missing something obvious. So don't lecture me. BTW have you read any books by Thomas Sowell or any of the other black intellectuals or even seen the podcast of people like "Coleman Hughes" or do you so convinced that you are right that you don't even want to listen to the other side?
Hubris is a quality that is typical of leftists.
Thomas Sowell?
LOL
When you have degrees from 3 top Universities and have actually taught economics at other Top schools, then you can laugh, till then you are just a low IQ racist moron
You sound like trump and I don't mean that as a compliment. Weird random capitalization, "low iq", obsessed with bragging. Do they use DCUM at Mar-a-lago now?
You imbecile. I was talking about Thomas Sowell, not myself. Just because everything about you screams narcissist, doesn't mean everybody is like that too. And talk about a complete non sequitur about Trump. The Trump derangement syndrome is on full show here. Let it go and worry about the other mentally challenged imbecile in the White House today. This idiot is losing his marbles faster than an only fans model loses her clothes
And now you've moved on to stupid personal attacks. You're still proving my point! And that's not what derangement means lol, nobody else says "low IQ".Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think it will vary. Some schools will be happy to just enroll the best students and other will drop aa in favor of economic diversity
You make it sound like wanting diversity is at odds with enrolling the best students. I find these assumptions to be suspect. Like the posters who define merit as whatever benefits them the most.
The way diversity is defined and implemented today, yes, it is absolutely at odds at enrolling the best students. There is such a huge skills gap between the average URM and non URM applicant, that there is a serious shortage of equivalently qualified URM applicants in the application pipeline. If a college insists on getting anything close to proportional representation despite this, then by definition they have to pick lower qualified URM students to fill their class. The only way to claim that diversity does not affect quality today, is to redefine the very meaning of the word merit to something nonsensical, like Harvard did by introducing spurious variables like the personality ratings into the mix.
Also in every country where diversity is actually present, it has led to destruction of social cohesion, social trust and increase in friction. The former Yugoslavia, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Myanmar being some examples) Diversity advocate have only recently recognized this because now they are insisting on "inclusion" as being another responsibility of the non URM pool. This is just code for non URM's having to walk on eggshells, so as not to trigger or piss off URM's on campus. It's a fool's errand. Human kind is tribal by nature and just like diversity brought strife all over the world, it is destroying America's campus environment today.
So what is your solution? Whine endlessly about it? Or have no diversity and every racial group sticks to themselves? It’s too late for that. This country is diverse and we’d better continue to figure out ways to get along and include everyone because diversity isn’t going anywhere.
Seems like AAs are the only group needing assistance. Look at the makeup of colleges in Texas. Unfortunately, AAs are still very much struggling in this country.
Maybe they should pick up a few tips from here about how and why certain immigrant communities succeed, instead of constantly whining about how pervasive systemic racism in America is? If America is that bad, how come all these newcomers are leaving native born blacks and whites in the dust? Simple. It's all about cultural capital, a term that's taboo in leftist circles
httphttps://youtu.be/-eMLAFV4cx8be/-eMLAFV4cx8
Yeah but none of them ever dealing with systematic oppression by the whites.
Because wait for it...... THERE IS NONE. Only lazy race huksters point to systemic racism as THE REASON, THEY ARE NOT MAKING PROGRESS. Because if America was systemically racist, you think Nigerian and Ghanaian immigrants would succeed here? Vietnamese refugees would succeed here? A person like Ilhan Omar would be in Congress?
You’re proving my point. Ilhan Omar’s father was a prominent senior officer in the Somali National Army before they immigrated. They were not at all “dirt poor.”
No you are embarrassing yourself. Ilhan Omar as a Muslim Black immigrants woman who got herself elected to Congress is indisputable proof that AMERICA IS NOT SYSTEMICALLY RACIST AND IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT CULTURAL CAPITAL ANYBODY CAN SUCCEED IN AMERICA. That's the point
Maybe stop yelling at everyone, sit down, and learn about what systemic racism actually is. If you don’t want to come across as an arrogant, ignorant a-hole.
Some idiots deserve to be yelled at. I actually took the time to read "White Fragility", and "SO you want to talk about race" just to make sure I wasn't missing something obvious. So don't lecture me. BTW have you read any books by Thomas Sowell or any of the other black intellectuals or even seen the podcast of people like "Coleman Hughes" or do you so convinced that you are right that you don't even want to listen to the other side?
Hubris is a quality that is typical of leftists.
Thomas Sowell?
LOL
When you have degrees from 3 top Universities and have actually taught economics at other Top schools, then you can laugh, till then you are just a low IQ racist moron
You sound like trump and I don't mean that as a compliment. Weird random capitalization, "low iq", obsessed with bragging. Do they use DCUM at Mar-a-lago now?
You imbecile. I was talking about Thomas Sowell, not myself. Just because everything about you screams narcissist, doesn't mean everybody is like that too. And talk about a complete non sequitur about Trump. The Trump derangement syndrome is on full show here. Let it go and worry about the other mentally challenged imbecile in the White House today. This idiot is losing his marbles faster than an only fans model loses her clothes
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Will colleges still be able to keep track of their diversity statistics? Will they be unable to even ask for racial identity? And if so how will they be able to develop proxies if they can’t measure the number of students they have in each racial category?
Yes, they are required under Title IV if the school participates in federal financial aid program, which will not be effected by the SC ruling.
https://nces.ed.gov/statprog/handbook/ipeds.asp#:~:text=All%20institutions%20in%20the%20U.S.,as%20separate%20entities%20in%20IPEDS.
Anonymous wrote:Will colleges still be able to keep track of their diversity statistics? Will they be unable to even ask for racial identity? And if so how will they be able to develop proxies if they can’t measure the number of students they have in each racial category?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think it will vary. Some schools will be happy to just enroll the best students and other will drop aa in favor of economic diversity
You make it sound like wanting diversity is at odds with enrolling the best students. I find these assumptions to be suspect. Like the posters who define merit as whatever benefits them the most.
The way diversity is defined and implemented today, yes, it is absolutely at odds at enrolling the best students. There is such a huge skills gap between the average URM and non URM applicant, that there is a serious shortage of equivalently qualified URM applicants in the application pipeline. If a college insists on getting anything close to proportional representation despite this, then by definition they have to pick lower qualified URM students to fill their class. The only way to claim that diversity does not affect quality today, is to redefine the very meaning of the word merit to something nonsensical, like Harvard did by introducing spurious variables like the personality ratings into the mix.
Also in every country where diversity is actually present, it has led to destruction of social cohesion, social trust and increase in friction. The former Yugoslavia, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Myanmar being some examples) Diversity advocate have only recently recognized this because now they are insisting on "inclusion" as being another responsibility of the non URM pool. This is just code for non URM's having to walk on eggshells, so as not to trigger or piss off URM's on campus. It's a fool's errand. Human kind is tribal by nature and just like diversity brought strife all over the world, it is destroying America's campus environment today.
So what is your solution? Whine endlessly about it? Or have no diversity and every racial group sticks to themselves? It’s too late for that. This country is diverse and we’d better continue to figure out ways to get along and include everyone because diversity isn’t going anywhere.
Seems like AAs are the only group needing assistance. Look at the makeup of colleges in Texas. Unfortunately, AAs are still very much struggling in this country.
Maybe they should pick up a few tips from here about how and why certain immigrant communities succeed, instead of constantly whining about how pervasive systemic racism in America is? If America is that bad, how come all these newcomers are leaving native born blacks and whites in the dust? Simple. It's all about cultural capital, a term that's taboo in leftist circles
httphttps://youtu.be/-eMLAFV4cx8be/-eMLAFV4cx8
Yeah but none of them ever dealing with systematic oppression by the whites.
Because wait for it...... THERE IS NONE. Only lazy race huksters point to systemic racism as THE REASON, THEY ARE NOT MAKING PROGRESS. Because if America was systemically racist, you think Nigerian and Ghanaian immigrants would succeed here? Vietnamese refugees would succeed here? A person like Ilhan Omar would be in Congress?
You’re proving my point. Ilhan Omar’s father was a prominent senior officer in the Somali National Army before they immigrated. They were not at all “dirt poor.”
No you are embarrassing yourself. Ilhan Omar as a Muslim Black immigrants woman who got herself elected to Congress is indisputable proof that AMERICA IS NOT SYSTEMICALLY RACIST AND IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT CULTURAL CAPITAL ANYBODY CAN SUCCEED IN AMERICA. That's the point
Maybe stop yelling at everyone, sit down, and learn about what systemic racism actually is. If you don’t want to come across as an arrogant, ignorant a-hole.
Some idiots deserve to be yelled at. I actually took the time to read "White Fragility", and "SO you want to talk about race" just to make sure I wasn't missing something obvious. So don't lecture me. BTW have you read any books by Thomas Sowell or any of the other black intellectuals or even seen the podcast of people like "Coleman Hughes" or do you so convinced that you are right that you don't even want to listen to the other side?
Hubris is a quality that is typical of leftists.
Thomas Sowell?
LOL
When you have degrees from 3 top Universities and have actually taught economics at other Top schools, then you can laugh, till then you are just a low IQ racist moron
You sound like trump and I don't mean that as a compliment. Weird random capitalization, "low iq", obsessed with bragging. Do they use DCUM at Mar-a-lago now?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think it will vary. Some schools will be happy to just enroll the best students and other will drop aa in favor of economic diversity
You make it sound like wanting diversity is at odds with enrolling the best students. I find these assumptions to be suspect. Like the posters who define merit as whatever benefits them the most.
The way diversity is defined and implemented today, yes, it is absolutely at odds at enrolling the best students. There is such a huge skills gap between the average URM and non URM applicant, that there is a serious shortage of equivalently qualified URM applicants in the application pipeline. If a college insists on getting anything close to proportional representation despite this, then by definition they have to pick lower qualified URM students to fill their class. The only way to claim that diversity does not affect quality today, is to redefine the very meaning of the word merit to something nonsensical, like Harvard did by introducing spurious variables like the personality ratings into the mix.
Also in every country where diversity is actually present, it has led to destruction of social cohesion, social trust and increase in friction. The former Yugoslavia, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Myanmar being some examples) Diversity advocate have only recently recognized this because now they are insisting on "inclusion" as being another responsibility of the non URM pool. This is just code for non URM's having to walk on eggshells, so as not to trigger or piss off URM's on campus. It's a fool's errand. Human kind is tribal by nature and just like diversity brought strife all over the world, it is destroying America's campus environment today.
So what is your solution? Whine endlessly about it? Or have no diversity and every racial group sticks to themselves? It’s too late for that. This country is diverse and we’d better continue to figure out ways to get along and include everyone because diversity isn’t going anywhere.
Seems like AAs are the only group needing assistance. Look at the makeup of colleges in Texas. Unfortunately, AAs are still very much struggling in this country.
Maybe they should pick up a few tips from here about how and why certain immigrant communities succeed, instead of constantly whining about how pervasive systemic racism in America is? If America is that bad, how come all these newcomers are leaving native born blacks and whites in the dust? Simple. It's all about cultural capital, a term that's taboo in leftist circles
httphttps://youtu.be/-eMLAFV4cx8be/-eMLAFV4cx8
Yeah but none of them ever dealing with systematic oppression by the whites.
Because wait for it...... THERE IS NONE. Only lazy race huksters point to systemic racism as THE REASON, THEY ARE NOT MAKING PROGRESS. Because if America was systemically racist, you think Nigerian and Ghanaian immigrants would succeed here? Vietnamese refugees would succeed here? A person like Ilhan Omar would be in Congress?
You’re proving my point. Ilhan Omar’s father was a prominent senior officer in the Somali National Army before they immigrated. They were not at all “dirt poor.”
No you are embarrassing yourself. Ilhan Omar as a Muslim Black immigrants woman who got herself elected to Congress is indisputable proof that AMERICA IS NOT SYSTEMICALLY RACIST AND IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT CULTURAL CAPITAL ANYBODY CAN SUCCEED IN AMERICA. That's the point
Maybe stop yelling at everyone, sit down, and learn about what systemic racism actually is. If you don’t want to come across as an arrogant, ignorant a-hole.
Some idiots deserve to be yelled at. I actually took the time to read "White Fragility", and "SO you want to talk about race" just to make sure I wasn't missing something obvious. So don't lecture me. BTW have you read any books by Thomas Sowell or any of the other black intellectuals or even seen the podcast of people like "Coleman Hughes" or do you so convinced that you are right that you don't even want to listen to the other side?
Hubris is a quality that is typical of leftists.
Thomas Sowell?
LOL
When you have degrees from 3 top Universities and have actually taught economics at other Top schools, then you can laugh, till then you are just a low IQ racist moron
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I think it will vary. Some schools will be happy to just enroll the best students and other will drop aa in favor of economic diversity
You make it sound like wanting diversity is at odds with enrolling the best students. I find these assumptions to be suspect. Like the posters who define merit as whatever benefits them the most.
The way diversity is defined and implemented today, yes, it is absolutely at odds at enrolling the best students. There is such a huge skills gap between the average URM and non URM applicant, that there is a serious shortage of equivalently qualified URM applicants in the application pipeline. If a college insists on getting anything close to proportional representation despite this, then by definition they have to pick lower qualified URM students to fill their class. The only way to claim that diversity does not affect quality today, is to redefine the very meaning of the word merit to something nonsensical, like Harvard did by introducing spurious variables like the personality ratings into the mix.
Also in every country where diversity is actually present, it has led to destruction of social cohesion, social trust and increase in friction. The former Yugoslavia, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Myanmar being some examples) Diversity advocate have only recently recognized this because now they are insisting on "inclusion" as being another responsibility of the non URM pool. This is just code for non URM's having to walk on eggshells, so as not to trigger or piss off URM's on campus. It's a fool's errand. Human kind is tribal by nature and just like diversity brought strife all over the world, it is destroying America's campus environment today.
So what is your solution? Whine endlessly about it? Or have no diversity and every racial group sticks to themselves? It’s too late for that. This country is diverse and we’d better continue to figure out ways to get along and include everyone because diversity isn’t going anywhere.
Seems like AAs are the only group needing assistance. Look at the makeup of colleges in Texas. Unfortunately, AAs are still very much struggling in this country.
Maybe they should pick up a few tips from here about how and why certain immigrant communities succeed, instead of constantly whining about how pervasive systemic racism in America is? If America is that bad, how come all these newcomers are leaving native born blacks and whites in the dust? Simple. It's all about cultural capital, a term that's taboo in leftist circles
httphttps://youtu.be/-eMLAFV4cx8be/-eMLAFV4cx8
Yeah but none of them ever dealing with systematic oppression by the whites.
Because wait for it...... THERE IS NONE. Only lazy race huksters point to systemic racism as THE REASON, THEY ARE NOT MAKING PROGRESS. Because if America was systemically racist, you think Nigerian and Ghanaian immigrants would succeed here? Vietnamese refugees would succeed here? A person like Ilhan Omar would be in Congress?
You’re proving my point. Ilhan Omar’s father was a prominent senior officer in the Somali National Army before they immigrated. They were not at all “dirt poor.”
No you are embarrassing yourself. Ilhan Omar as a Muslim Black immigrants woman who got herself elected to Congress is indisputable proof that AMERICA IS NOT SYSTEMICALLY RACIST AND IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT CULTURAL CAPITAL ANYBODY CAN SUCCEED IN AMERICA. That's the point
Maybe stop yelling at everyone, sit down, and learn about what systemic racism actually is. If you don’t want to come across as an arrogant, ignorant a-hole.
Some idiots deserve to be yelled at. I actually took the time to read "White Fragility", and "SO you want to talk about race" just to make sure I wasn't missing something obvious. So don't lecture me. BTW have you read any books by Thomas Sowell or any of the other black intellectuals or even seen the podcast of people like "Coleman Hughes" or do you so convinced that you are right that you don't even want to listen to the other side?
Hubris is a quality that is typical of leftists.
Thomas Sowell?
LOL
Anonymous wrote:They could start favoring working at McDonald’s and caring for siblings over travel sports.
It’s amazing looking at the differences of where kids from the MCPS W schools are going v. DCC schools. Surely a shift in which high schools students come from would make a difference.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Colleges have been preparing for this eventuality by getting rid of standardized test scores, which has been a hurdle for certain minority groups. In 5-10 years, when they still can’t achieve “equity” in admissions, colleges will stop using GPA’s as a measure of qualification and look only at life experience. And then eventually I think all college admission will be by lottery.
Standardized testing in America has racist origins. Reality not an appropriate measuring stick. Plus scores are pretty much driven by HHI.
Super scoring makes standardized testing watered down.
Yeah because $5000+/year travel club sport participation, academic extracurriculars (that don’t exist at most low SES high schools) and “research” arranged at dad’s lab are such inclusive & meritocratic measures
Joemarti wrote:What about rich white people's affirmative action -- admissions based on athletics such as fencing, tennis, soccer, crew, sailing, lacrosse, golf, etc. etc. etc. Let's be honest, playing sports in school is great. But, do we really need it to impact college admissions? And, I can see that there is a lot of hating on black kids, particularly black kids who come from wealthy parents. But, do you really think that their experience in life is the same as white kids' experiences? C'mon, get real.
I would argue that during the period when affirmative action has been in place -- roughly since the late 60s -- we have seen the US prosper above and beyond any other country in the world. Period. I'm not saying that this is because of affirmative action, but affirmative action certainly hasn't held us back. Get a grip wealthy white parents, your kids will be fine. You will help them get jobs when they graduate by using your connections. You will help them buy their first home by giving them seed money for the down payment. Calm down. It's going to be ok. If your kid is good enough to get into an Ivy, then they would have gotten into some top 25 school. If they didn't, there is a reason other than affirmative action.