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Anonymous wrote:Service academies are good options for certain kids,
Good careers, job security, and serving our country.
More kids should be aware of the actual facts.
Thankfully we have facts from the official West Point source.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/usma-media/inline-images/.../G5OIR_CDS_2019-2020_FINAL.pdf
25%-75% SAT range = 1260-1360
Academically if you are an average kid in the DMV area, you have a good shot.

https://www.westpoint.edu/admissions/prospective-cadets/cadet-fitness-assessment
Physical requirements are not hard to pass.
It's Pass/Fail. It tells you the maximum. 60% of the maximum would be Passing.
I'm 50 in fairly good condition and I think I can pass.
Ton of young kids with decent physical ability should be able to pass it.
Let me know if my interpretation is incorrect or if you have the correct passing scores.

Seems to me there are people with an agenda to scare off perfectly good candidates by spreading lies such as they are top of the class or exaggerating the physical requirements.
Maybe Russian or Chinese spies to weaken our military force?
We don't need mumbo jumbo from these clowns.
We have facts.

You clearly have no idea and have never been in the military or have any first time knowledgeable whatsoever. These are MINIMUM requirements to not be kicked out of military. The kids getting accepted to the academies are doing nothing less than maxing and surpassing the “max” on the physical fitness tests (and truly that is the expectation) and their day to day physical requirements and training exercises are extreme. Nothing short of a stellar athlete with a ton of grit could handle.

Do you have a source for admitted students' scores for the fitness tests?

Enough of imaginations.

Use your brain. Of the kids that meet admission requirements, they have an acceptance rate of 10%. They are taking the best.

Their best for academics is 1260-1360 SAT for 25%-75%

Using my brain and the official source, passing the physical requirement is not too hard.

Wake me up when you have an actual source rather than your wild imagination.

“Passing” and being a competitive applicant are different things. Applicants scoring 60% “passing” on their physical fitness test don’t have a chance

Not true. Not even close. The fitness is just a small part of the whole process. Very small. Lot's of passing folks do not outshine their competition and still get in easily. They will fix any lacking fitness level you may have.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Service academies are good options for certain kids,
Good careers, job security, and serving our country.
More kids should be aware of the actual facts.
Thankfully we have facts from the official West Point source.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/usma-media/inline-images/.../G5OIR_CDS_2019-2020_FINAL.pdf
25%-75% SAT range = 1260-1360
Academically if you are an average kid in the DMV area, you have a good shot.

https://www.westpoint.edu/admissions/prospective-cadets/cadet-fitness-assessment
Physical requirements are not hard to pass.
It's Pass/Fail. It tells you the maximum. 60% of the maximum would be Passing.
I'm 50 in fairly good condition and I think I can pass.
Ton of young kids with decent physical ability should be able to pass it.
Let me know if my interpretation is incorrect or if you have the correct passing scores.

Seems to me there are people with an agenda to scare off perfectly good candidates by spreading lies such as they are top of the class or exaggerating the physical requirements.
Maybe Russian or Chinese spies to weaken our military force?
We don't need mumbo jumbo from these clowns.
We have facts.

You clearly have no idea and have never been in the military or have any first time knowledgeable whatsoever. These are MINIMUM requirements to not be kicked out of military. The kids getting accepted to the academies are doing nothing less than maxing and surpassing the “max” on the physical fitness tests (and truly that is the expectation) and their day to day physical requirements and training exercises are extreme. Nothing short of a stellar athlete with a ton of grit could handle.

Do you have a source for admitted students' scores for the fitness tests?

Enough of imaginations.

Use your brain. Of the kids that meet admission requirements, they have an acceptance rate of 10%. They are taking the best.

Their best for academics is 1260-1360 SAT for 25%-75%

Using my brain and the official source, passing the physical requirement is not too hard.

Wake me up when you have an actual source rather than your wild imagination.

“Passing” and being a competitive applicant are different things. Applicants scoring 60% “passing” on their physical fitness test don’t have a chance

Do you have a source for admitted students' scores for the fitness tests?

or is it just your imagination?

Anonymous wrote:NP. To the PP, what is it that bothers you so much about West Point. It's an (unhealthy) obsession with you.

I've met a few West Point graduates throughout the years. I have no idea what their stats were, or how physically fit they were, but they all impressed me.

It is weird. The stats are the stats. Admissions is not only based on grades and scores. WP will not accept someone "at the top of the class" who does not meet their other criteria. A student could get into HYPS but not WP. A student could get into WP but not be accepted at HYPS. It's fine. You have to want to serve in the Army to go to WP, or at least be willing to accept it for 5 years. It's a limited pool of applicants.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Service academies are good options for certain kids,
Good careers, job security, and serving our country.
More kids should be aware of the actual facts.
Thankfully we have facts from the official West Point source.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/usma-media/inline-images/.../G5OIR_CDS_2019-2020_FINAL.pdf
25%-75% SAT range = 1260-1360
Academically if you are an average kid in the DMV area, you have a good shot.

https://www.westpoint.edu/admissions/prospective-cadets/cadet-fitness-assessment
Physical requirements are not hard to pass.
It's Pass/Fail. It tells you the maximum. 60% of the maximum would be Passing.
I'm 50 in fairly good condition and I think I can pass.
Ton of young kids with decent physical ability should be able to pass it.
Let me know if my interpretation is incorrect or if you have the correct passing scores.

Seems to me there are people with an agenda to scare off perfectly good candidates by spreading lies such as they are top of the class or exaggerating the physical requirements.
Maybe Russian or Chinese spies to weaken our military force?
We don't need mumbo jumbo from these clowns.
We have facts.

You clearly have no idea and have never been in the military or have any first time knowledgeable whatsoever. These are MINIMUM requirements to not be kicked out of military. The kids getting accepted to the academies are doing nothing less than maxing and surpassing the “max” on the physical fitness tests (and truly that is the expectation) and their day to day physical requirements and training exercises are extreme. Nothing short of a stellar athlete with a ton of grit could handle.

Do you have a source for admitted students' scores for the fitness tests?

Enough of imaginations.

Use your brain. Of the kids that meet admission requirements, they have an acceptance rate of 10%. They are taking the best.

Their best for academics is 1260-1360 SAT for 25%-75%

Using my brain and the official source, passing the physical requirement is not too hard.

Wake me up when you have an actual source rather than your wild imagination.

What’s your point? These kids have to have other merits beyond high test scores. They have to be high achieving in athletics and leadership and gain a congressional nomination. Plus they do it all without the use of stimulants, anti anxiety meds, or anti depressants. A rarity among high achieving DMV kids

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Service academies are good options for certain kids,
Good careers, job security, and serving our country.
More kids should be aware of the actual facts.
Thankfully we have facts from the official West Point source.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/usma-media/inline-images/.../G5OIR_CDS_2019-2020_FINAL.pdf
25%-75% SAT range = 1260-1360
Academically if you are an average kid in the DMV area, you have a good shot.

https://www.westpoint.edu/admissions/prospective-cadets/cadet-fitness-assessment
Physical requirements are not hard to pass.
It's Pass/Fail. It tells you the maximum. 60% of the maximum would be Passing.
I'm 50 in fairly good condition and I think I can pass.
Ton of young kids with decent physical ability should be able to pass it.
Let me know if my interpretation is incorrect or if you have the correct passing scores.

Seems to me there are people with an agenda to scare off perfectly good candidates by spreading lies such as they are top of the class or exaggerating the physical requirements.
Maybe Russian or Chinese spies to weaken our military force?
We don't need mumbo jumbo from these clowns.
We have facts.

You clearly have no idea and have never been in the military or have any first time knowledgeable whatsoever. These are MINIMUM requirements to not be kicked out of military. The kids getting accepted to the academies are doing nothing less than maxing and surpassing the “max” on the physical fitness tests (and truly that is the expectation) and their day to day physical requirements and training exercises are extreme. Nothing short of a stellar athlete with a ton of grit could handle.

Do you have a source for admitted students' scores for the fitness tests?

Enough of imaginations.

Use your brain. Of the kids that meet admission requirements, they have an acceptance rate of 10%. They are taking the best.

Their best for academics is 1260-1360 SAT for 25%-75%

Using my brain and the official source, passing the physical requirement is not too hard.

Wake me up when you have an actual source rather than your wild imagination.

“Passing” and being a competitive applicant are different things. Applicants scoring 60% “passing” on their physical fitness test don’t have a chance

NP. To the PP, what is it that bothers you so much about West Point. It's an (unhealthy) obsession with you.

I've met a few West Point graduates throughout the years. I have no idea what their stats were, or how physically fit they were, but they all impressed me.

Hey troll!

Look - I got the last word!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Service academies are good options for certain kids,
Good careers, job security, and serving our country.
More kids should be aware of the actual facts.
Thankfully we have facts from the official West Point source.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/usma-media/inline-images/.../G5OIR_CDS_2019-2020_FINAL.pdf
25%-75% SAT range = 1260-1360
Academically if you are an average kid in the DMV area, you have a good shot.

https://www.westpoint.edu/admissions/prospective-cadets/cadet-fitness-assessment
Physical requirements are not hard to pass.
It's Pass/Fail. It tells you the maximum. 60% of the maximum would be Passing.
I'm 50 in fairly good condition and I think I can pass.
Ton of young kids with decent physical ability should be able to pass it.
Let me know if my interpretation is incorrect or if you have the correct passing scores.

Seems to me there are people with an agenda to scare off perfectly good candidates by spreading lies such as they are top of the class or exaggerating the physical requirements.
Maybe Russian or Chinese spies to weaken our military force?
We don't need mumbo jumbo from these clowns.
We have facts.

You clearly have no idea and have never been in the military or have any first time knowledgeable whatsoever. These are MINIMUM requirements to not be kicked out of military. The kids getting accepted to the academies are doing nothing less than maxing and surpassing the “max” on the physical fitness tests (and truly that is the expectation) and their day to day physical requirements and training exercises are extreme. Nothing short of a stellar athlete with a ton of grit could handle.

Do you have a source for admitted students' scores for the fitness tests?

Enough of imaginations.

Use your brain. Of the kids that meet admission requirements, they have an acceptance rate of 10%. They are taking the best.

Their best for academics is 1260-1360 SAT for 25%-75%

Using my brain and the official source, passing the physical requirement is not too hard.

Wake me up when you have an actual source rather than your wild imagination.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Service academies are good options for certain kids,
Good careers, job security, and serving our country.
More kids should be aware of the actual facts.
Thankfully we have facts from the official West Point source.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/usma-media/inline-images/.../G5OIR_CDS_2019-2020_FINAL.pdf
25%-75% SAT range = 1260-1360
Academically if you are an average kid in the DMV area, you have a good shot.

https://www.westpoint.edu/admissions/prospective-cadets/cadet-fitness-assessment
Physical requirements are not hard to pass.
It's Pass/Fail. It tells you the maximum. 60% of the maximum would be Passing.
I'm 50 in fairly good condition and I think I can pass.
Ton of young kids with decent physical ability should be able to pass it.
Let me know if my interpretation is incorrect or if you have the correct passing scores.

Seems to me there are people with an agenda to scare off perfectly good candidates by spreading lies such as they are top of the class or exaggerating the physical requirements.
Maybe Russian or Chinese spies to weaken our military force?
We don't need mumbo jumbo from these clowns.
We have facts.

You clearly have no idea and have never been in the military or have any first time knowledgeable whatsoever. These are MINIMUM requirements to not be kicked out of military. The kids getting accepted to the academies are doing nothing less than maxing and surpassing the “max” on the physical fitness tests (and truly that is the expectation) and their day to day physical requirements and training exercises are extreme. Nothing short of a stellar athlete with a ton of grit could handle.

Do you have a source for admitted students' scores for the fitness tests?

Enough of imaginations.

Use your brain. Of the kids that meet admission requirements, they have an acceptance rate of 10%. They are taking the best.

Admissions Requirement
The Candidate Fitness Assessment (CFA) was developed to measure and evaluate a candidate's potential to successfully complete the physical programs at the United States Naval Academy, United States Air Force Academy, and United States Military Academy. The CFA consists of six (6) physical and motor fitness events that are designed to measure muscular strength and endurance, cardio-respiratory endurance, power, balance, and agility. When administered together as a single battery, these six events will help the Admissions Board determine if a candidate possesses the stamina and movement skills required to successfully complete the physical program and perform the duties required of commissioned officers in the uniformed services.

The six test events of the CFA are administered consecutively in less than a 40-minute time period. Candidates should attempt to do their best on all six events, keeping in mind that the events are sequenced to produce a cumulative loading effect. In other words, after completing the first five events, it is doubtful that a candidate will score his/her best on the 1-mile run. This has been considered in the development of the criterion-referenced standards, which will be used to evaluate performance in each of the six events. Candidates' raw scores will be converted to scale scores (0-100 points) based upon their performance on each event. The 100-point maximum score, by event and gender, are listed in the table below. A candidate who achieves the 100-point level on any of the first five events should not attempt further repetitions, as this will not improve his/her score.

I would think if your major was in a STEM field associated with technology and security clearance, that any time spent serving post-grad would pay back later in a civilian job. That expertise is quite valuable.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Service academies are good options for certain kids,
Good careers, job security, and serving our country.
More kids should be aware of the actual facts.
Thankfully we have facts from the official West Point source.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/usma-media/inline-images/.../G5OIR_CDS_2019-2020_FINAL.pdf
25%-75% SAT range = 1260-1360
Academically if you are an average kid in the DMV area, you have a good shot.

https://www.westpoint.edu/admissions/prospective-cadets/cadet-fitness-assessment
Physical requirements are not hard to pass.
It's Pass/Fail. It tells you the maximum. 60% of the maximum would be Passing.
I'm 50 in fairly good condition and I think I can pass.
Ton of young kids with decent physical ability should be able to pass it.
Let me know if my interpretation is incorrect or if you have the correct passing scores.

Seems to me there are people with an agenda to scare off perfectly good candidates by spreading lies such as they are top of the class or exaggerating the physical requirements.
Maybe Russian or Chinese spies to weaken our military force?
We don't need mumbo jumbo from these clowns.
We have facts.

You clearly have no idea and have never been in the military or have any first time knowledgeable whatsoever. These are MINIMUM requirements to not be kicked out of military. The kids getting accepted to the academies are doing nothing less than maxing and surpassing the “max” on the physical fitness tests (and truly that is the expectation) and their day to day physical requirements and training exercises are extreme. Nothing short of a stellar athlete with a ton of grit could handle.

Do you have a source for admitted students' scores for the fitness tests?

Enough of imaginations.

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Anonymous wrote:For those West Point grads who do not make the military a career, what types of careers to they usually do in the civilian world. For example, if you are an infantry officer, what type of skillset would you have and who would hire you?

They all have college degrees, usually in STEM. That is what they go into. Their military service may not translate directly to a specific career, but the qualities of leadership and work that come from serving translate to any line of work and most employers see that as a huge asset.

+1. So management experience in addition to STEM. A lot of them have engineering degrees. Obviously something like a pilot as well. Cybersecurity, CS, FBI, CIA, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:My DC's "Big Three" sends at least one graduate each year to either USNA or West Point. Most turned down Ivy or other top schools to do this. Amazing, selfless and patriotic individuals.

OP here.

Yes, kid I know turned down HYP Ivy.

I would just as soon as hire from West Point as I would HYP. I don't see HYP as better.

(I am not military) It is an impressive school who puts out impressive people. And I would go so far as to say that the West Point graduates that I've known are extremely hard working, self sacrificing, as well as smart. HYP are smart, but often lack the dedication and hard work of West Point.

This. The service academies are rigorous in way that no other school can come close to comparing. You need a set of qualities that many many people just don’t have; extremely high work ethic, resilience, courage, able to work steady under extreme pressure. Then add on to that a few years of military service as an officer in charge of and leading a bunch of 18-22 yr olds out of high school- from all walks of life; accomplishing huge tasks together.

As an employer, you know you are getting a complete package of a highly qualified person when they’ve attended a service academy and served.

The academies graduate the sort of person who will get up every morning to support their team no matter what else is going on in life. That is reason #1 why employers are so pleased to see them.

And they’ll be there 15 min early

Anonymous wrote:Service academies are good options for certain kids,
Good careers, job security, and serving our country.
More kids should be aware of the actual facts.
Thankfully we have facts from the official West Point source.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/usma-media/inline-images/.../G5OIR_CDS_2019-2020_FINAL.pdf
25%-75% SAT range = 1260-1360
Academically if you are an average kid in the DMV area, you have a good shot.

https://www.westpoint.edu/admissions/prospective-cadets/cadet-fitness-assessment
Physical requirements are not hard to pass.
It's Pass/Fail. It tells you the maximum. 60% of the maximum would be Passing.
I'm 50 in fairly good condition and I think I can pass.
Ton of young kids with decent physical ability should be able to pass it.
Let me know if my interpretation is incorrect or if you have the correct passing scores.

Seems to me there are people with an agenda to scare off perfectly good candidates by spreading lies such as they are top of the class or exaggerating the physical requirements.
Maybe Russian or Chinese spies to weaken our military force?
We don't need mumbo jumbo from these clowns.
We have facts.

You clearly have no idea and have never been in the military or have any first time knowledgeable whatsoever. These are MINIMUM requirements to not be kicked out of military. The kids getting accepted to the academies are doing nothing less than maxing and surpassing the “max” on the physical fitness tests (and truly that is the expectation) and their day to day physical requirements and training exercises are extreme. Nothing short of a stellar athlete with a ton of grit could handle.