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Anonymous wrote:Men are hard wired to want women in their early 20's. It's just biology. I date younger women because I want them and I can get them, don't care if that pisses off the feminists.

Do you have daughters?

I find it hard to believe men who have daughters and thus realize how very young women in their EARLY 20s really are would feel okay with this.

And I am a man. My colleague, who was in his late 40’s, started up an affair with a 20 year old. I could never look at him the same way; it’s completely predatory. But he doesn’t have daughters, and I think that might be why he could wrap his mind around it

This. They are mostly not really adults on the inside no matter what the outside look like. They may be intellectually precocious but emotionally are usually very young still.

Perhaps they should not be allowed to vote then.

Or drink, or have jobs, or go out in public without a responsible adult as their protector / duenna.

Actually he is literally talking about people who aren’t old enough to drink or graduate from college. You want your collegesged daughter sleeping with a 45 year old promiscuous slime who gives her an STD?

He is literally talking about "very young women in their EARLY 20s". They may be old enough to drink - but it hardly matters because we all know they ARE drinking anyway.

When my daughter goes to college, I will have ZERO control over who she sleeps with. She will do whatever she wants. There is no point in me even thinking about it.

No one is talking about you needing to control your daughter. People are wondering how middle-aged men feel morally okay “dating” young women in their early 20s, because anyone who has ANY context at all realizes that how emotionally young they are at that stage.

I am morally ok with any adult consensually dating any other adult. If you are not morally ok with that, then you have to argue that adult women need to be controlled in some way, to prevent them from dating objectionable men, which you consider immoral, otherwise your moral position is futile and senseless.

You can't stop women from having sex with whoever they want, so you might as well not be mad about it.

Believing that it is creepy when men date much younger than them does not imply that women should be controlled or stopped. It implies that...these men are creepy.

DP. Exactly. It is a judgment on the men, not the young women.

He's making a consensual choice. She's making a consensual choice. No different from any other consensual relationship choice. Why do you hate consensual relationships?

Plenty of consensual things are creepy.

Especially creepy as many early twenties young women are still partially subsidized by their parents: cell phone plan, on family health insurance, help with student loans, etc. Guessing girls with little of this family support are drawn to older men.

Anonymous wrote:Trick question, they don’t. I never see this happen in real life. Just movies.

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Anonymous wrote:Men are hard wired to want women in their early 20's. It's just biology. I date younger women because I want them and I can get them, don't care if that pisses off the feminists.

Do you have daughters?

I find it hard to believe men who have daughters and thus realize how very young women in their EARLY 20s really are would feel okay with this.

And I am a man. My colleague, who was in his late 40’s, started up an affair with a 20 year old. I could never look at him the same way; it’s completely predatory. But he doesn’t have daughters, and I think that might be why he could wrap his mind around it

This. They are mostly not really adults on the inside no matter what the outside look like. They may be intellectually precocious but emotionally are usually very young still.

Perhaps they should not be allowed to vote then.

Or drink, or have jobs, or go out in public without a responsible adult as their protector / duenna.

Actually he is literally talking about people who aren’t old enough to drink or graduate from college. You want your collegesged daughter sleeping with a 45 year old promiscuous slime who gives her an STD?

He is literally talking about "very young women in their EARLY 20s". They may be old enough to drink - but it hardly matters because we all know they ARE drinking anyway.

When my daughter goes to college, I will have ZERO control over who she sleeps with. She will do whatever she wants. There is no point in me even thinking about it.

No one is talking about you needing to control your daughter. People are wondering how middle-aged men feel morally okay “dating” young women in their early 20s, because anyone who has ANY context at all realizes that how emotionally young they are at that stage.

I am morally ok with any adult consensually dating any other adult. If you are not morally ok with that, then you have to argue that adult women need to be controlled in some way, to prevent them from dating objectionable men, which you consider immoral, otherwise your moral position is futile and senseless.

You can't stop women from having sex with whoever they want, so you might as well not be mad about it.

Believing that it is creepy when men date much younger than them does not imply that women should be controlled or stopped. It implies that...these men are creepy.

DP. Exactly. It is a judgment on the men, not the young women.

He's making a consensual choice. She's making a consensual choice. No different from any other consensual relationship choice. Why do you hate consensual relationships?

Plenty of consensual things are creepy.

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Anonymous wrote:Men are hard wired to want women in their early 20's. It's just biology. I date younger women because I want them and I can get them, don't care if that pisses off the feminists.

Do you have daughters?

I find it hard to believe men who have daughters and thus realize how very young women in their EARLY 20s really are would feel okay with this.

And I am a man. My colleague, who was in his late 40’s, started up an affair with a 20 year old. I could never look at him the same way; it’s completely predatory. But he doesn’t have daughters, and I think that might be why he could wrap his mind around it

This. They are mostly not really adults on the inside no matter what the outside look like. They may be intellectually precocious but emotionally are usually very young still.

Perhaps they should not be allowed to vote then.

Or drink, or have jobs, or go out in public without a responsible adult as their protector / duenna.

Actually he is literally talking about people who aren’t old enough to drink or graduate from college. You want your collegesged daughter sleeping with a 45 year old promiscuous slime who gives her an STD?

He is literally talking about "very young women in their EARLY 20s". They may be old enough to drink - but it hardly matters because we all know they ARE drinking anyway.

When my daughter goes to college, I will have ZERO control over who she sleeps with. She will do whatever she wants. There is no point in me even thinking about it.

No one is talking about you needing to control your daughter. People are wondering how middle-aged men feel morally okay “dating” young women in their early 20s, because anyone who has ANY context at all realizes that how emotionally young they are at that stage.

I am morally ok with any adult consensually dating any other adult. If you are not morally ok with that, then you have to argue that adult women need to be controlled in some way, to prevent them from dating objectionable men, which you consider immoral, otherwise your moral position is futile and senseless.

You can't stop women from having sex with whoever they want, so you might as well not be mad about it.

Believing that it is creepy when men date much younger than them does not imply that women should be controlled or stopped. It implies that...these men are creepy.

DP. Exactly. It is a judgment on the men, not the young women.

He's making a consensual choice. She's making a consensual choice. No different from any other consensual relationship choice. Why do you hate consensual relationships?

Anonymous wrote:When I was 24, I had a serious relationship with someone 24 years older than me. We both knew it would not be a lifetime union but we were in love and had four great years together. Very fond memories.

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Anonymous wrote:Men are hard wired to want women in their early 20's. It's just biology. I date younger women because I want them and I can get them, don't care if that pisses off the feminists.

Do you have daughters?

I find it hard to believe men who have daughters and thus realize how very young women in their EARLY 20s really are would feel okay with this.

And I am a man. My colleague, who was in his late 40’s, started up an affair with a 20 year old. I could never look at him the same way; it’s completely predatory. But he doesn’t have daughters, and I think that might be why he could wrap his mind around it

This. They are mostly not really adults on the inside no matter what the outside look like. They may be intellectually precocious but emotionally are usually very young still.

Perhaps they should not be allowed to vote then.

Or drink, or have jobs, or go out in public without a responsible adult as their protector / duenna.

Actually he is literally talking about people who aren’t old enough to drink or graduate from college. You want your collegesged daughter sleeping with a 45 year old promiscuous slime who gives her an STD?

He is literally talking about "very young women in their EARLY 20s". They may be old enough to drink - but it hardly matters because we all know they ARE drinking anyway.

When my daughter goes to college, I will have ZERO control over who she sleeps with. She will do whatever she wants. There is no point in me even thinking about it.

No one is talking about you needing to control your daughter. People are wondering how middle-aged men feel morally okay “dating” young women in their early 20s, because anyone who has ANY context at all realizes that how emotionally young they are at that stage.

I am morally ok with any adult consensually dating any other adult. If you are not morally ok with that, then you have to argue that adult women need to be controlled in some way, to prevent them from dating objectionable men, which you consider immoral, otherwise your moral position is futile and senseless.

You can't stop women from having sex with whoever they want, so you might as well not be mad about it.

Believing that it is creepy when men date much younger than them does not imply that women should be controlled or stopped. It implies that...these men are creepy.

DP. Exactly. It is a judgment on the men, not the young women.

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Anonymous wrote:Men are hard wired to want women in their early 20's. It's just biology. I date younger women because I want them and I can get them, don't care if that pisses off the feminists.

Do you have daughters?

I find it hard to believe men who have daughters and thus realize how very young women in their EARLY 20s really are would feel okay with this.

If you have daughters, as I do, you realize that once they reach a certain age, you can no longer control what they do. Either you raised them to make good choices, or you didn't, but at that point it's totally up to them. I would say that point is definitely no later than when they go off to college, and realistically there isn't much you can do to limit their choices when they're juniors and seniors in high school. They are going to have sex with who they want to have sex with, regardless of what you think about it, that's just a fact.

As a thought experiment, let's say a woman in her 20s came into DCUM relationships and said, "my dad insists he should have the power to approve who I have sex with, and I am absolutely not allowed to have sex with a man if he's not okay with it." What do you think the DCUM reaction would be? I think DCUM would howl, "ewww, creepy and controlling, get away from this crazy patriarch as fast as you can!" Would you, as a father, want to have this power if you could (which you can't)?

Lots of people do totally legal things that I don't approve of. But that's freedom. You can't stop adult women from sleeping with "unsuitable" men unless you deprive them of freedom. And that's not gonna happen so you might as well not sit around being mad about it.

Lol, what? You COMPLETELY missed the point. The point was not “24 year olds shouldn’t be allowed to date men in their 40s.” Go back and read.

I was responding directly to the guy who asked how fathers would feel about their daughters dating older men, you moron, and my response directly addressed that point. Go back and read.

“Moron?” Haha…are you sure you can hang with the younger crowd?

I am that poster. And the point, which apparently needs to be spelled out for you: a normal man who has raised daughters realizes how VERY young and emotionally different a girl in her young 20s is. I could not see a 23 year old as a viable romantic relationship partner any more than I could see a 17 year old as one.

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Anonymous wrote:Men are hard wired to want women in their early 20's. It's just biology. I date younger women because I want them and I can get them, don't care if that pisses off the feminists.

Do you have daughters?

I find it hard to believe men who have daughters and thus realize how very young women in their EARLY 20s really are would feel okay with this.

And I am a man. My colleague, who was in his late 40’s, started up an affair with a 20 year old. I could never look at him the same way; it’s completely predatory. But he doesn’t have daughters, and I think that might be why he could wrap his mind around it

This. They are mostly not really adults on the inside no matter what the outside look like. They may be intellectually precocious but emotionally are usually very young still.

Perhaps they should not be allowed to vote then.

Or drink, or have jobs, or go out in public without a responsible adult as their protector / duenna.

Actually he is literally talking about people who aren’t old enough to drink or graduate from college. You want your collegesged daughter sleeping with a 45 year old promiscuous slime who gives her an STD?

He is literally talking about "very young women in their EARLY 20s". They may be old enough to drink - but it hardly matters because we all know they ARE drinking anyway.

When my daughter goes to college, I will have ZERO control over who she sleeps with. She will do whatever she wants. There is no point in me even thinking about it.

No one is talking about you needing to control your daughter. People are wondering how middle-aged men feel morally okay “dating” young women in their early 20s, because anyone who has ANY context at all realizes that how emotionally young they are at that stage.

I am morally ok with any adult consensually dating any other adult. If you are not morally ok with that, then you have to argue that adult women need to be controlled in some way, to prevent them from dating objectionable men, which you consider immoral, otherwise your moral position is futile and senseless.

You can't stop women from having sex with whoever they want, so you might as well not be mad about it.

DP.. wouldn't you find it weird if your DD was serious about a man who might be older than you, her father. That's just so weird, and gross, tbh. You would have to wonder what happened in her childhood that would make her go after someone *that* old.

Anonymous wrote:When I was 24, I had a serious relationship with someone 24 years older than me. We both knew it would not be a lifetime union but we were in love and had four great years together. Very fond memories.

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Anonymous wrote:Men are hard wired to want women in their early 20's. It's just biology. I date younger women because I want them and I can get them, don't care if that pisses off the feminists.

Do you have daughters?

I find it hard to believe men who have daughters and thus realize how very young women in their EARLY 20s really are would feel okay with this.

And I am a man. My colleague, who was in his late 40’s, started up an affair with a 20 year old. I could never look at him the same way; it’s completely predatory. But he doesn’t have daughters, and I think that might be why he could wrap his mind around it

This. They are mostly not really adults on the inside no matter what the outside look like. They may be intellectually precocious but emotionally are usually very young still.

Perhaps they should not be allowed to vote then.

Or drink, or have jobs, or go out in public without a responsible adult as their protector / duenna.

Actually he is literally talking about people who aren’t old enough to drink or graduate from college. You want your collegesged daughter sleeping with a 45 year old promiscuous slime who gives her an STD?

He is literally talking about "very young women in their EARLY 20s". They may be old enough to drink - but it hardly matters because we all know they ARE drinking anyway.

When my daughter goes to college, I will have ZERO control over who she sleeps with. She will do whatever she wants. There is no point in me even thinking about it.

No one is talking about you needing to control your daughter. People are wondering how middle-aged men feel morally okay “dating” young women in their early 20s, because anyone who has ANY context at all realizes that how emotionally young they are at that stage.

I am morally ok with any adult consensually dating any other adult. If you are not morally ok with that, then you have to argue that adult women need to be controlled in some way, to prevent them from dating objectionable men, which you consider immoral, otherwise your moral position is futile and senseless.

You can't stop women from having sex with whoever they want, so you might as well not be mad about it.

Believing that it is creepy when men date much younger than them does not imply that women should be controlled or stopped. It implies that...these men are creepy.

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Anonymous wrote:Men are hard wired to want women in their early 20's. It's just biology. I date younger women because I want them and I can get them, don't care if that pisses off the feminists.

Do you have daughters?

I find it hard to believe men who have daughters and thus realize how very young women in their EARLY 20s really are would feel okay with this.

And I am a man. My colleague, who was in his late 40’s, started up an affair with a 20 year old. I could never look at him the same way; it’s completely predatory. But he doesn’t have daughters, and I think that might be why he could wrap his mind around it

This. They are mostly not really adults on the inside no matter what the outside look like. They may be intellectually precocious but emotionally are usually very young still.

Perhaps they should not be allowed to vote then.

Or drink, or have jobs, or go out in public without a responsible adult as their protector / duenna.

Actually he is literally talking about people who aren’t old enough to drink or graduate from college. You want your collegesged daughter sleeping with a 45 year old promiscuous slime who gives her an STD?

He is literally talking about "very young women in their EARLY 20s". They may be old enough to drink - but it hardly matters because we all know they ARE drinking anyway.

When my daughter goes to college, I will have ZERO control over who she sleeps with. She will do whatever she wants. There is no point in me even thinking about it.

No one is talking about you needing to control your daughter. People are wondering how middle-aged men feel morally okay “dating” young women in their early 20s, because anyone who has ANY context at all realizes that how emotionally young they are at that stage.

I am morally ok with any adult consensually dating any other adult. If you are not morally ok with that, then you have to argue that adult women need to be controlled in some way, to prevent them from dating objectionable men, which you consider immoral, otherwise your moral position is futile and senseless.

You can't stop women from having sex with whoever they want, so you might as well not be mad about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Men are hard wired to want women in their early 20's. It's just biology. I date younger women because I want them and I can get them, don't care if that pisses off the feminists.

Do you have daughters?

I find it hard to believe men who have daughters and thus realize how very young women in their EARLY 20s really are would feel okay with this.

If you have daughters, as I do, you realize that once they reach a certain age, you can no longer control what they do. Either you raised them to make good choices, or you didn't, but at that point it's totally up to them. I would say that point is definitely no later than when they go off to college, and realistically there isn't much you can do to limit their choices when they're juniors and seniors in high school. They are going to have sex with who they want to have sex with, regardless of what you think about it, that's just a fact.

As a thought experiment, let's say a woman in her 20s came into DCUM relationships and said, "my dad insists he should have the power to approve who I have sex with, and I am absolutely not allowed to have sex with a man if he's not okay with it." What do you think the DCUM reaction would be? I think DCUM would howl, "ewww, creepy and controlling, get away from this crazy patriarch as fast as you can!" Would you, as a father, want to have this power if you could (which you can't)?

Lots of people do totally legal things that I don't approve of. But that's freedom. You can't stop adult women from sleeping with "unsuitable" men unless you deprive them of freedom. And that's not gonna happen so you might as well not sit around being mad about it.

Lol, what? You COMPLETELY missed the point. The point was not “24 year olds shouldn’t be allowed to date men in their 40s.” Go back and read.

I was responding directly to the guy who asked how fathers would feel about their daughters dating older men, you moron, and my response directly addressed that point. Go back and read.