The days of “welfare queens” are over, if they ever existed.

https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/issue-briefs/2022/12/the-long-term-decline-in-fertility-and-what-it-means-for-state-budgets

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Anonymous wrote:Here's a novel idea:

Don't have kids in the first place if you can't afford them. Duh. What sane person who makes $20k per year decides gee, maybe I should have 1, 2 or 3 kids! Insanity.

Remember this when we start dealing with the economic ramifications of a declining population. Don’t worry people are barely at replacement levels these days in the US.

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The people pp is complaining about (poor people on welfare and their) do your dirty work. They are your CNAs, dental assistants, cashiers, housekeepers, janitors, classroom aids, bus drivers, waiters, Uber drivers and stockers. Keep complaining and remember there will be nobody to walk you to the bathroom in your assisted living facility someday.

Anonymous wrote:My neighbors get SNAP benefits. I know this because I have gotten their mail about it multiple times. They also drive multiple Mercedes, no one goes to work, everyone has enough money for constant pot and they get Door Dash several times a week.

It's hard not to judge when you see things like that, but I try to give them some grace.

Sounds like a drug dealing issue, not a SNAP issue.

I would rather people get the help they need and put up with some fraud. It's really hard to eliminate fraud completely out of systems. The average fraud rate of SNAP is less than 1%.

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Anonymous wrote:You need to keep pushing the lies/myth of poor being undeserving but of all the people undeserving are people who have enough money to buy a house or save money for college. Give me a break. The us isn’t divided into givers and takers, we are all takers! There are some serious snobs on here. You’re no better than those you look down on.

I believe in welfare, but you need to give us a break. We aren’t “all takers.” You need to stop with that. My family, like many here in DC, have paid millions into taxes. My kids go to private and we donate to food insecurity and education. So no, I’m not a taker. I’m a giver. You are welcome.

Government money is government money! If you get the mortgage deduction on your taxes, or subsidized student loans, or have a 529 or 401k, you are getting government money. Those are government welfare programs for middle and upper classes. But Americans are ok with that because they see it acceptable people getting what they deserve.

America is a brutal system. We all claw at opportunity so we don’t end up on the bottom rung because deep down we know that poor people didn’t do anything to deserve their poor existence. They’re there by chance. Luck of the draw. And most Americans know they’re one emergency bill away from that fate.

It’s very apparent why you are poor. Please don’t breed or if you have already, don’t have any more imbeciles.

I was poor growing up. I’m not now. I actually own a company where I treat my employees fairly and offer profit sharing for each and everyone in my company. I just don’t live a lie that I’m self made! I got where I am because of government help from student loans and scholarships. Unlike you, I don’t think I am better than anyone else or more deserving. I value people and know that the vast majority of people are busting their a$$es trying to keep food on the table and a roof over their heads. My kids go to public schools. My oldest is lining up his first job this summer at a fast food restaurant despite us being worth millions. I don’t want him to be some rich out of touch pr%ck like so many men in America.

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Anonymous wrote:Because they are judgmental a-holes.

Not at all. The people that pay the most into this system have the right to be critical.

No, they don't. Nothing gives you the right to be a judgmental a-hole.

-pay more than most

I also pay more than most, lol. People that pay the most taxes, pay the majority for services. This is basic financial literacy.

That doesn't mean you get to be judgmental or critical. You certainly shouldn't look down on people who use different services than you.

I don’t think people are being that way. There’s a difference between being mean toward an individual and believing SNAP is a flawed and unfair system, which it is.

This thread is about being mean towards individuals.

How is SNAP "flawed and unfair"? What do you propose instead?

Welfare for everyone. No qualifications required and all is welcome to apply. European countries seem to be doing ok.

That is your proposal?

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Anonymous wrote:Working class who are just barely making ends meet (but without assistance) are the most bitter toward welfare. I was raised by parents like this. So much disdain for welfare because they worked very hard are still only had barely enough for the same existence. Back when grocery stores started allowing credit cards in my childhood, my mom totally judged those people and told me that anyone who used a CC couldn’t afford their groceries. It’s funny how the world has changed.

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there is a poster on the first page who explained that to keep SNAP benefits you have to make under a certain amount

It is a system we need to change and benefits need to phase out for people once they start working and earning an income instead of posing a hard cut off income.

Yes, the welfare cliff is real. It essentially punishes people for making slightly more money and trying to lift themselves out of poverty. It incentivizes people to make less. Some sort of phasing or sliding scale would be so much more helpful to people.

Person on SNAP here. There is a sliding scale but you don’t want to completely slide off because then you would need to apply again and also being snap-eligible makes it easier to qualify for other benefits
I honestly think it should be super restricted (eligibility) - it’s not right when people can keep having kids and getting more and more in benefits their whole life

I think when a family with multiple children goes through job loss or medical debt or some other hardship, it’s helpful when the safety net provides food for the amount of kids they have. But that’s just me.

Yes but if despite already being on benefits they produce more kids…

Exactly. An IUD should be mandatory for benefits. We aren't forcing anyone, they are free to decline the free money.

Exactly. An IUD or vasectomy should be mandatory for all tax breaks, for people at all income levels.

Again for the slow one in back: keeping some of my own money with a few tax breaks while still paying 10’s of thousands of dollars in taxes does not make someone a taker or on the dole.

If you couldn’t afford your lifestyle without tax breaks, you shouldn’t have had kids.

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Anonymous wrote:Because they are judgmental a-holes.

Not at all. The people that pay the most into this system have the right to be critical.

No, they don't. Nothing gives you the right to be a judgmental a-hole.

-pay more than most

I also pay more than most, lol. People that pay the most taxes, pay the majority for services. This is basic financial literacy.

That doesn't mean you get to be judgmental or critical. You certainly shouldn't look down on people who use different services than you.

I don’t think people are being that way. There’s a difference between being mean toward an individual and believing SNAP is a flawed and unfair system, which it is.

This thread is about being mean towards individuals.

How is SNAP "flawed and unfair"? What do you propose instead?

Welfare for everyone. No qualifications required and all is welcome to apply. European countries seem to be doing ok.

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Anonymous wrote:Working class who are just barely making ends meet (but without assistance) are the most bitter toward welfare. I was raised by parents like this. So much disdain for welfare because they worked very hard are still only had barely enough for the same existence. Back when grocery stores started allowing credit cards in my childhood, my mom totally judged those people and told me that anyone who used a CC couldn’t afford their groceries. It’s funny how the world has changed.

+1

there is a poster on the first page who explained that to keep SNAP benefits you have to make under a certain amount

It is a system we need to change and benefits need to phase out for people once they start working and earning an income instead of posing a hard cut off income.

Yes, the welfare cliff is real. It essentially punishes people for making slightly more money and trying to lift themselves out of poverty. It incentivizes people to make less. Some sort of phasing or sliding scale would be so much more helpful to people.

Person on SNAP here. There is a sliding scale but you don’t want to completely slide off because then you would need to apply again and also being snap-eligible makes it easier to qualify for other benefits
I honestly think it should be super restricted (eligibility) - it’s not right when people can keep having kids and getting more and more in benefits their whole life

I think when a family with multiple children goes through job loss or medical debt or some other hardship, it’s helpful when the safety net provides food for the amount of kids they have. But that’s just me.

Yes but if despite already being on benefits they produce more kids…

Exactly. An IUD should be mandatory for benefits. We aren't forcing anyone, they are free to decline the free money.

Exactly. An IUD or vasectomy should be mandatory for all tax breaks, for people at all income levels.

Again for the slow one in back: keeping some of my own money with a few tax breaks while still paying 10’s of thousands of dollars in taxes does not make someone a taker or on the dole.

You "take" benefits from the government. We all do.

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Anonymous wrote:Because they are judgmental a-holes.

Not at all. The people that pay the most into this system have the right to be critical.

No, they don't. Nothing gives you the right to be a judgmental a-hole.

-pay more than most

I also pay more than most, lol. People that pay the most taxes, pay the majority for services. This is basic financial literacy.

That doesn't mean you get to be judgmental or critical. You certainly shouldn't look down on people who use different services than you.

I don’t think people are being that way. There’s a difference between being mean toward an individual and believing SNAP is a flawed and unfair system, which it is.

This thread is about being mean towards individuals.

How is SNAP "flawed and unfair"? What do you propose instead?

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Anonymous wrote:You need to keep pushing the lies/myth of poor being undeserving but of all the people undeserving are people who have enough money to buy a house or save money for college. Give me a break. The us isn’t divided into givers and takers, we are all takers! There are some serious snobs on here. You’re no better than those you look down on.

I believe in welfare, but you need to give us a break. We aren’t “all takers.” You need to stop with that. My family, like many here in DC, have paid millions into taxes. My kids go to private and we donate to food insecurity and education. So no, I’m not a taker. I’m a giver. You are welcome.

And you receive fire/police, utilities, laws, educated community, national defense, etc.

Not np. For which taxes are paid, substantially, so that all may share. I PAY for those services. Try to keep up.

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The people that pay the most for these services typically receive a disproportionate amount of them. For example, low-income children typically receive the most services from schools. Their families pay the least.

But proportional to income, this isn’t true. Middle and upper classes have much more money.

It sounds like you’d be happier living in a socialist country. The U.S. isn’t one. I’m not okay with being penalized for sacrificing, making wise choices, and working my butt off.

Penalized? How are you being "penalized"?

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Anonymous wrote:Working class who are just barely making ends meet (but without assistance) are the most bitter toward welfare. I was raised by parents like this. So much disdain for welfare because they worked very hard are still only had barely enough for the same existence. Back when grocery stores started allowing credit cards in my childhood, my mom totally judged those people and told me that anyone who used a CC couldn’t afford their groceries. It’s funny how the world has changed.

+1

there is a poster on the first page who explained that to keep SNAP benefits you have to make under a certain amount

It is a system we need to change and benefits need to phase out for people once they start working and earning an income instead of posing a hard cut off income.

Yes, the welfare cliff is real. It essentially punishes people for making slightly more money and trying to lift themselves out of poverty. It incentivizes people to make less. Some sort of phasing or sliding scale would be so much more helpful to people.

Person on SNAP here. There is a sliding scale but you don’t want to completely slide off because then you would need to apply again and also being snap-eligible makes it easier to qualify for other benefits
I honestly think it should be super restricted (eligibility) - it’s not right when people can keep having kids and getting more and more in benefits their whole life

I think when a family with multiple children goes through job loss or medical debt or some other hardship, it’s helpful when the safety net provides food for the amount of kids they have. But that’s just me.

Yes but if despite already being on benefits they produce more kids…

Exactly. An IUD should be mandatory for benefits. We aren't forcing anyone, they are free to decline the free money.

Exactly. An IUD or vasectomy should be mandatory for all tax breaks, for people at all income levels.

Again for the slow one in back: keeping some of my own money with a few tax breaks while still paying 10’s of thousands of dollars in taxes does not make someone a taker or on the dole.

Sorry but you’re the slow one. Poor people pay taxes too. You are no more deserving than they are! You lie to yourself.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because they are judgmental a-holes.

Not at all. The people that pay the most into this system have the right to be critical.

No, they don't. Nothing gives you the right to be a judgmental a-hole.

-pay more than most

I also pay more than most, lol. People that pay the most taxes, pay the majority for services. This is basic financial literacy.

That doesn't mean you get to be judgmental or critical. You certainly shouldn't look down on people who use different services than you.

I don’t think people are being that way. There’s a difference between being mean toward an individual and believing SNAP is a flawed and unfair system, which it is.

But so is the mortgage deduction, student loans, 529s and 401Ks. Government shouldn’t subsidize those welfare programs either. Let’s have a pure capitalist system.

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Anonymous wrote:Working class who are just barely making ends meet (but without assistance) are the most bitter toward welfare. I was raised by parents like this. So much disdain for welfare because they worked very hard are still only had barely enough for the same existence. Back when grocery stores started allowing credit cards in my childhood, my mom totally judged those people and told me that anyone who used a CC couldn’t afford their groceries. It’s funny how the world has changed.

+1

there is a poster on the first page who explained that to keep SNAP benefits you have to make under a certain amount

It is a system we need to change and benefits need to phase out for people once they start working and earning an income instead of posing a hard cut off income.

Yes, the welfare cliff is real. It essentially punishes people for making slightly more money and trying to lift themselves out of poverty. It incentivizes people to make less. Some sort of phasing or sliding scale would be so much more helpful to people.

Person on SNAP here. There is a sliding scale but you don’t want to completely slide off because then you would need to apply again and also being snap-eligible makes it easier to qualify for other benefits
I honestly think it should be super restricted (eligibility) - it’s not right when people can keep having kids and getting more and more in benefits their whole life

I think when a family with multiple children goes through job loss or medical debt or some other hardship, it’s helpful when the safety net provides food for the amount of kids they have. But that’s just me.

Yes but if despite already being on benefits they produce more kids…

Exactly. An IUD should be mandatory for benefits. We aren't forcing anyone, they are free to decline the free money.

Exactly. An IUD or vasectomy should be mandatory for all tax breaks, for people at all income levels.

Again for the slow one in back: keeping some of my own money with a few tax breaks while still paying 10’s of thousands of dollars in taxes does not make someone a taker or on the dole.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because they are judgmental a-holes.

Not at all. The people that pay the most into this system have the right to be critical.

No, they don't. Nothing gives you the right to be a judgmental a-hole.

-pay more than most

I also pay more than most, lol. People that pay the most taxes, pay the majority for services. This is basic financial literacy.

That doesn't mean you get to be judgmental or critical. You certainly shouldn't look down on people who use different services than you.

I don’t think people are being that way. There’s a difference between being mean toward an individual and believing SNAP is a flawed and unfair system, which it is.

Anonymous wrote:Here's a novel idea:

Don't have kids in the first place if you can't afford them. Duh. What sane person who makes $20k per year decides gee, maybe I should have 1, 2 or 3 kids! Insanity.

Remember this when we start dealing with the economic ramifications of a declining population. Don’t worry people are barely at replacement levels these days in the US.